Linkstrikesback
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Well, you're not wrong. If it wasn't for the wrong spidey suit, I'd probably believe it if that someone had told me prior to the trailers that homecoming shot was from the upcoming ps4 game. :/
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Marvel films lack cinematographic style
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Well, you're not wrong. If it wasn't for the wrong spidey suit, I'd probably believe it if that someone had told me prior to the trailers that homecoming shot was from the upcoming ps4 game. :/
Sibersk Esto
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Completely unexcting. Why is everything so grey and washed out.
And before somebody calls "Oh you want them to go Snyder style" don't forget there was a filmaker who already acomplished the perfect balance with an iconic marvel character
Meanwhile, in 2017
...why did you stealth edit to a screenshot of a night scene when you had a picture a daylight scene that more or less had the same look as the Raimi picture?
BEHOLD THE DUTCH ANGLES
Both of those look just as milquetoast, unthreatening and bland as every other MCU movie. Unless vomiting colors in a cg sequence is supposed to stand for good cinematography now?
They're all vanilla af, it doesn't even out anything imo. They should take more risks in all aspects. it's not that marvel doesn't have great provocative stories and characters to take from.
It's hard for me to picture a cheesier and less stylish way to make these characters and this idea for a shot look
This is a bad example, because I would argue that shot is very good, atleast the complete version of it.
The panning shot gets a good view of everyone, and everyone has a "Pump Shotgun" kind of moment. The Hulk roars in defiance, Hawkeye notches an arrow, Thor readies his hammer, Widow reloads her gun, Cap readjusts his sheild, etc. Iron Man just mostly takes his place, but that's significant in itself since he was by far the most defiant against joining up with the rest of the avengers. Everyone has their back against each other (literally showing how they have each others back, compared to the rest of the movie where they were barely functioning together), and their all looking skyward toward the thread, giving the feeling they're up against something big and intimidating.
I think it's a very good shot and compare it favorably to the BvS establishing teamshot which just has Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman just....standing there.
They're in a battlestance, but almost entirely motionless except batman who kinda adjusts his gun a little with a camera zooming on on center shot of Wonder Woman. Them standing together and facing the same thing implies unity, but that's it.
In comparison to this, I'd say the Avengers shot is stellar and conveys much more. And I'm not trying to say that Marvel has great cinematography as a whole or anything, but that shot in particular is good.
It was too compressed, but if you so desire...
One looks like the real world, the other straight from a PS4 videogame.
I mean, when you compare a closeup shot of an actual actor to a mid action scene shot of a CG character of course. You pick out a shot of the CG doubles from Spiderman 2 and the comparison isn't gonna be so stark.
Controversial opinion: I've never been a big fan of the color scheme Raimi went with for his Spider-Man films. I totally get what he was going for, looking like faded pages of the 60s-70s run that he grew up with, but I don't think it worked nearly as well in execution and comes off as being pretty drab. That being said, his trademark editing tricks and transitions do a great job of feeling like you're following a comic book from panel to panel, so the color scheme doesn't tell the whole visual story.
Is it going to look that much better in 3 months? I know Guardians had a few improvements from trailer to release but I can't recall any other Marvel films that have had that off the top of my head.
Spoken like someone who's never worked in a professional industry before let alone the business of show.
Even your wording is horrible. Do you think that 'cinematographers', as you say, just turn up and do whatever they feel like on the day?
Please elaborate, I'd love to hear your delightfully uninformed thoughts on the matter.
Spiderman is all CGI in the new movies IIRC, or at least heavily retouched, as the real suit doesn't fir that well. It falls into some sort of uncanny valley to me imo, which didn't exist in the old movies.
He's all CG in civil war. Plenty of non CG spidey in homecoming trailers other than the eyes
It was all CG for Civil War since they didn't really have a real suit fitted yet, but he definitely has one for Homecoming. Obviously he'll tend to be CG in a lot of the action scenes.
triplestation
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Sgt. Kabukiman
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I mostly agree with you, OP.
Marvel fans live in a fantastic age right now but with the exception of the Cap trilogy to some extent, I've never been able to connect with any of these films despite the fact that they are always at the very least competently made. Iron Man, Avengers, Thor... I just felt nothing while watching them and a lot of that has to do with their bland style and lackluster soundtracks. Whedon just puts me to sleep.
The MCU finally clicked for me briefly with Civil War but then I couldn't even bother finishing Doctor Strange.
I disagree with you about Guardians though, I thought it looked gorgeous but I was bored by the final act.
I actually prefer when comic-book movies take a chance and go in unexpected directions: Batman Returns is still one of my favorite comic-book films even though Burton clearly didn't give a fuck about the source material. Hell, I even prefer Ang Lee's Hulk to most of the MCU.
Oh well, at least a majority of Marvel fans enjoy the films and I got Daredevil season 1.
Marvel fans live in a fantastic age right now but with the exception of the Cap trilogy to some extent, I've never been able to connect with any of these films despite the fact that they are always at the very least competently made. Iron Man, Avengers, Thor... I just felt nothing while watching them and a lot of that has to do with their bland style and lackluster soundtracks. Whedon just puts me to sleep.
The MCU finally clicked for me briefly with Civil War but then I couldn't even bother finishing Doctor Strange.
I disagree with you about Guardians though, I thought it looked gorgeous but I was bored by the final act.
I actually prefer when comic-book movies take a chance and go in unexpected directions: Batman Returns is still one of my favorite comic-book films even though Burton clearly didn't give a fuck about the source material. Hell, I even prefer Ang Lee's Hulk to most of the MCU.
Oh well, at least a majority of Marvel fans enjoy the films and I got Daredevil season 1.
Trojita
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Oh that's reasurring. Hope they polish up the CGI model then.It was all CG for Civil War since they didn't really have a real suit fitted yet, but he definitely has one for Homecoming. Obviously he'll tend to be CG in a lot of the action scenes.
It was all CG for Civil War since they didn't really have a real suit fitted yet, but he definitely has one for Homecoming. Obviously he'll tend to be CG in a lot of the action scenes.
God, if they just got rid of those countless, utterly unnecessary black lines that are scribbled all over the outfit, I would be head over heels in love with this suit.
I agree with the OP but this post inherently misunderstands filmmaking.
Completely unexcting. Why is everything so grey and washed out.
And before somebody calls "Oh you want them to go Snyder style" don't forget there was a filmaker who already acomplished the perfect balance with an iconic marvel character
Meanwhile, in 2017
They're only there because it's a stark suit and the second trailer lowkey spoiled that
he has a major (or even the final) fight with vulture in his homemade suit afterr tony takes his new one away
Jack The Nipper
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disappointed in you being a comic fan
I agree with you OP but most everything in the films come off as flat. Ubisoft of films
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Why don't you elaborate on how you know all about Marvel's filming process? Because as an "insider", I'm sure you would know exactly how its done.
AuthenticM
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I agree. They're just so by-the-numbers. They represent well the saying "designed by committee".
You wanna bring the fanboy fight here too? How constructive.
Corpsepyre
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There was a very good video on this sometime back that went into detail as to why these films look so weak. I'll see if I can find it.
sans_pants
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but it doesnt even look good. i dont know if there is a single interesting shot in that whole movie. color balance and contrast arent the only problems here
Inferno313
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Nah, Skyfall was shot on the same camera as The Avengers, and it's one of the prettiest modern blockbusters. Film is lovely, but digital isn't this blight on modern film visuals that Nolan fanboys would like you to believe.
It's not but AFAIK (Probably almost nothing) you gotta work harder for a film to look "right" on digital than film due to the natural balance of film, so many digital movies just end up being half assed as they get made "easier and faster"
Yeah, the whole FILM IS BETTAH argument never has held much water for me. It's a difference on the level of between painting with acrylics and with oils, and not painting with acrylics and grabbing a coloring book with heavily used Crayons.
More_Badass
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What does one have to do with the other? That's no excuse
If a book adaptation can be a film classic, why not a comic adaptation? I guess you mean superheroes? Because A History of Violence, Road To Peridition, Edge of Tomorrow, Dredd, and Kingsman are comic book movies too
But even superhero or not isnt an excuse either
Guardians is easily the best looking film in the MCU. I get what the OP is talking about but I personally think it's a problem with how Marvel shoots conversations with a tendency to repeat the boring medium 2-shot over and over and over again. Most everything else actually looks pretty good. Anywho, screenshot dump time
There is a lot of poorly lit CGI Spider-Man in the Raimi movies too.
The best shot ones are still Thor 1 and Capt 1. Both had a pretty unique visual style I felt, in comparison to the 2nd generation which dropped most of it.
But I will say, while the looks have decreased in quality, the actual framing, sequences, etc. Have drastically improved. Specifically looking at Capt 2 and 3.
But I will say, while the looks have decreased in quality, the actual framing, sequences, etc. Have drastically improved. Specifically looking at Capt 2 and 3.
They were made ages ago, with half the budget.
Eh I don't know about half
On that note, isn't Spider-Man 3 still one of the most expensive movies out there? You sure wouldn't know it from what it looked like!
i thought doctor strange was very nice looking - moreso than most of the marvel films. helped that the sets, costumes and cgi work was stellar. same dp (ben davis) as guardians (which, despite you using it as an example in the op, i remember being a fairly pretty film) and age of ultron.
the juxtaposition with the shots of his hands before and after the surgery were very well done in my opinion.
i wish he was the dp for infinity war, seems like he's better suited to grander scale stuff than the dp of civil war and winter soldier.
the juxtaposition with the shots of his hands before and after the surgery were very well done in my opinion.
i wish he was the dp for infinity war, seems like he's better suited to grander scale stuff than the dp of civil war and winter soldier.
SM2's budget was $200 million and SM3's was $250 million. Sony Imageworks just sucks.
This is, also, a different argument.
dat sandman scene tho
Definitely not half and the point still stands. They've been using CGI Spider-Man doubles since the first film and they looked worse in terms of consistency. Mind you, I like Spider-Man 2 a great deal.
The current rendition of Spider-Man is pretty damn good. It's a major improvement over The Amazing Spider-Man series.
Really? Damn I'd never thought that.
Fancy Clown
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You can revel in comic book roots and have mainstream appeal and still have interesting cinematography. Just look at James Cameron movies, those things earn more money that god, are pretty comic books feeling, and use the camera to tell the story and action in interesting and visually appealing ways.
sixteen-bit
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these movies are bland as hell, i agree
Hahaha!
The funny thing is that I prefer the cinematography of Legion over Batman v Superman.
Yeah, the latter has a larger budget, but the former makes way better use of its resources without an overreliance on post-production color correction and ugly lighting. Some of Legion's CGI is admittedly spotty, though.
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