Jawmuncher
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Some of the suggestions in here would make Hunter one of the most pain in the ass characters to play. Phoenix Wright had enough of gimmicks that really impacted his performance
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster |DT2| oh dear...
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Slamtastic
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Honestly I don't get going back to P/K from LMH.
Like, does Dante even have any kicks (normals)? I though all his normals were sword. And who is Arthus gonna kick with those stubby things?
I feel like P/K can be restrictive, because you either get characters who ignore it and punch or use a weapon for kick buttons, or you get characters who are less martial artsy and seem like they would be more brawling/box-y throwing around kicks that seem a bit too flexible for them (I always felt this way about Magneto and Iron Man in the Vs series).
A good thing about Injustice's use of LMH is that Superman doesn't kick. It would look weird.
Like, does Dante even have any kicks (normals)? I though all his normals were sword. And who is Arthus gonna kick with those stubby things?
I feel like P/K can be restrictive, because you either get characters who ignore it and punch or use a weapon for kick buttons, or you get characters who are less martial artsy and seem like they would be more brawling/box-y throwing around kicks that seem a bit too flexible for them (I always felt this way about Magneto and Iron Man in the Vs series).
A good thing about Injustice's use of LMH is that Superman doesn't kick. It would look weird.
And that is why we don't get to design the characters/
Yeah, PPKK doesn't make much sense for MvC since so many characters don't fight with punches and kicks. Dante's "kick" normals are just guns.
JeTmAn81
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I don't think they're taking punch/kick too literally any more than Street Fighter does (Balrog, Dudley).
lucebuce12
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this!
But the use of PP/KK is also more complex for no real gain! Even if you're not using them as literal punches and kicks now you have two Strong Attack buttons and two Weak attack buttons, rather than one Weak, one Medium and one Strong. And you get stuff like Ryu's Shoryuken hyper needing kicks!
And besides, now there's some abilities that no longer have three variations, instead limited to 2 (CapAmerica can no longer throw his shield in certain direction in the air). And with the few abilities that still have more than two variations nothing was gained from having the variations separated by punches and kicks. It's less intuitive.
This is not even thinking about how it makes the basic magic series just a little bit more complex, hurting scrubs like me ;_;
Jawmuncher
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I do wish they'd have kept the MVC3 style. Game definitely has a case of one step forward two steps back when it comes to being casual friendly in a sense
You mean the art style? As we mentioned previously in this thread, we have reason to believe that Marvel may have been the ones who requested a more realistic art style & that Capcom couldn't quite nail the execution.
Nah man we are talking about the control style here, not the art style.
And we definitely don't need to defend the artystyle just because Marvel mandated it. Marvel's own realistic artstyle in CoC sucks. The blame is on Marvel and Capcom both.
Jawmuncher
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Nah I'm talking the gameplay. Stuff like 2 over 3 helps. But then The PK style instead of LMH is like the total opposite in that.
JeTmAn81
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I prefer LMHS, but I'd guess there will actually be more special attack variety with for regular attack buttons rather tha three (S was rarely used for specials in Marvel 3).
I don't think the magic series is any more complex in this, it's still just four buttons in a specific order. Losing a dedicated launcher sucks but at least the launcher command itself is still universal.
The control scheme will feel natural after a couple weeks.
Art style got nothing to do with the casual friendly stuff. Legit Capcom's idea of making it more accessible was making you learn 2 characters instead of 3 and no more assists. That's it. Meanwhile they add all sorts of shit with the gems, counter tags that covers up the whole screen, advancing guard projectile reflect, instant tag combo locks, arguably more complex control scheme and some other stuff I'm forgetting. Just funny to me.
I'll get used to the control scheme. Just have to start thinking Street Fighter more than Marvel 3 when I play it. Kept playing like it was LMHS when in the story demo.
Look at it this way: where are Morrigan's Soul Fist variations? Marvel 3 had L = slow, M = fast, H = angled, S = special effect. Now? I dunno.
To not lose variations they'd have to go: LP = Slow, HP = Fast, LK = Angled, HK = Special effect to divide the straight forward fire ball and weird fireballs, but what about... say Ryu's Hadouken?
Ryu's Hadouken in Ultimate 3 went: L= Slow M= Medium H= Fast S= Special effect.
Now it'd be... ???? LP = Slow, LK = Medium, HP =Fast, HK = Special? That wouldn't make much sense. Neither would having the Fast Hadouken as a kick. It's just kinda wonky.
It's about gameplay.
To not lose variations they'd have to go: LP = Slow, HP = Fast, LK = Angled, HK = Special effect to divide the straight forward fire ball and weird fireballs, but what about... say Ryu's Hadouken?
Ryu's Hadouken in Ultimate 3 went: L= Slow M= Medium H= Fast S= Special effect.
Now it'd be... ???? LP = Slow, LK = Medium, HP =Fast, HK = Special? That wouldn't make much sense. Neither would having the Fast Hadouken as a kick. It's just kinda wonky.
It's about gameplay.
Wouldn't that be due to the removal of DP motions? I'd imagine that it would limit the number of moves you could have.
Slamtastic
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Does anyone who has put time into IJ necessarily strongly dislike the "hold a direction during startup to change screen position/speed/etc" method? I always find it a smart idea in freeing up more space for moves without using more complex commands, since you can just do different moves per button instead of strengths/variations on different buttons for the same input, like Dante but still retaining multiple versions.
Obviously people would react negatively from a big change like that to what has been established and remained constant for 20 years across the whole catalog of a company, but I think that would just be a case of gamers being change resistant.
JeTmAn81
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Skullgirls does MVC2 gameplay with 3P/3K and it works alright,assist calls seem a bit awkward though.
Except, like I said, we're actually loosing attack variations! We tend to only get two, now, rather than three (and maybe four, sometimes).
They describe it as a "diamond shape" but what kind of diamond goes
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And yeah, the controls will feel fine after one gets used to them. But it's still less intuitive, imo.
JeTmAn81
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I thought typical pad setup made it Square, X, O, down-Triangle. That should be exactly the same as LMHS but opposite direction and an additional down at the end. Seems simple enough.
Also casuals can just mash l.P for a full combo. I might actually use that for a little bit until I know combos.
JeTmAn81
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Right, I believe they mentioned they did it that way to be pad friendly.
Yeah, I was being dumb and thought launcher was on Down+HK for some reason.
DR2K
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Those characters are an exception to the rule. That's not the case in MVCi, where over half the roster will have punch/kick buttons that don't perform that. It's counter intuitive.
Same here. I loved LMHS. I don't like the idea of having a more involved input for launchers.
Turbanator
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3P3K > 2P2K > LMHS
The button layout is fine. It's a lot closer to mvc3 than mvc2, though. I kinda wish tapping light twice would give medium attacks.
And the typical chain order (lp-lk-hp-hk) still works, and you can add a launcher at the end. The launcher basically cancels any normal. The way it was described initially was misleading.
And the typical chain order (lp-lk-hp-hk) still works, and you can add a launcher at the end. The launcher basically cancels any normal. The way it was described initially was misleading.
ColonialHawk
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yes thats gone
Thank god
Turbanator
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I wonder if they hit the certain numbers of sales so they decided to pull out the sales? I know final story trailer got many people hype outside of hardcore circle.
Turbanator
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Yeah though we do get weird shit like Zero kicking all of a sudden.
it was actually a fellow gaffer that told me a few days ago "if youre gonna buy from cdkeys you shouldnt wait too long because they tend to go full price closer to release" so I guess he was right
Jawmuncher
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It does seem like the general rule is about 2-3 weeks out when they raise the price. I think they do the whole cheaper price thing to get people to preorder and give them money early. Can't complain though with how much of a discount they offer during that time.
youre not the fellow gaffer that gave me the heads up tho, because youre a dirty dinosaur lover. it was Nabs.
Turbanator
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Now that I think about it they did that for T7 too.
Well shit. I was planning on buying it from them later this week. What's the next best option, GMG?
Same. As soon as that trailer dropped demand probably went way up.
he doesnt have grav pulse shield anyways so its kinda whatever
he also lost human rocket which is bullshit
LMHS > 3P3K > 2P2K
LMHS is just simpler and easier and more fun for me. Heck, you can take off the S and just be LMH like Tatsunoko. 2P2K just feels extremely awkward to me. I never got used to it in MvC2. I just put up with it.
But you didn't even vote for Elsa in the poll!
How would I go about setting up a Moonstone and Elsa Bloodstone rally?
I mentioned Elsa because I knew Jaw found find her cool. Unfortunately she falls behind my girls. Monica is more important to me. My list of wanted characters is massive, and most of them have little chance of making it. After the three I listed I have Nico Minoru and Annihilus lined up.
Btw, read Nextwave. All ya'll should read Nextwave.
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