That's a bit of an overstatement, Street Fighter V didn't miss the mark by that much. And again, Capcom isn't blaming the viability of fighting games in the current market for the game's underperformance. Capcom is well aware that the lack of modes at launch was what limited the game's sales. Like I said earlier, people are blowing the doom-&-gloom for Capcom's fighting game future out of proportion. They were aiming for 2 million, they got to 1.4 million by March 31st. That isn't bad at all, all things considered. The fact that Capcom's sticking with their long-term plans for Street Fighter V & not cutting their losses should already tell you that they aren't giving up on the genre. They're amongst the best in the business &, Namco & ASW aside, one of the only developers who make fighting games that last more than 2 years in the FGC (looking at you NRS, despite your games being solid in of themselves).
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Marvel's new (added) mandate is 'Make epic games,' Spider-Man is just the beginning
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MegaSackman
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The turtle is running away, Warner. Keep up, where are you!?!?
We gotta keep the hope alive.
As stated earlier, Deadpool's currently off-limits (see my post from the previous page). As for the rest, I can see where you're coming from. But what do you mean by "Captain America on the run"?
I wouldn't doubt that Marvel would be influenced by Contest of Champions and Injustice if they decided to return to console fighters is all I'm saying. The game would absolutely need casual appeal, and Capcom making the FGC the primary audience of their fighting games goes in the opposite direction of that.
And again, Capcom already has Street Fighter V filling the role as the main CPT game, so they could spend as much time as they want on MvC4. As for Contest of Champions, different platforms have different expectations. You can't really just do CoC on consoles 1:1, there's a reason why console Injustice is different from mobile Injustice. Also, there's a reason why UMvC3 is still played at tournaments to this day while Injustice faded away after 2 years. It's just that good.
Damn didn't notice Deadpool. And the thought of cap being chased by shield or whoever just sounds fun to me. I just want some different experiences from the usual superhero offerings we used to have before arkham.
IronMan made by Platinum games would be super Rad
When you think about it, there is so many characters that can be made into really awesome games that will fit right into any genre. In fact, I would say if they can make about say Daredevil vs Punisher, that would be amazing. Imagine both characters playing very differently, its almost like two games in one...... Black Panther would work like a mix of Batman and Wolverine game etc
When you think about it, there is so many characters that can be made into really awesome games that will fit right into any genre. In fact, I would say if they can make about say Daredevil vs Punisher, that would be amazing. Imagine both characters playing very differently, its almost like two games in one...... Black Panther would work like a mix of Batman and Wolverine game etc
You're missing the point.
A Marvel fighter would do much better if it was more easily accessible to people who aren't really into fighting games but want to check out this new game with Marvel characters. Casuals, you might call them.
MvC gameplay is the exact opposite of that. It's a huge turnoff to almost anybody who isn't already a hardcore fighting game fanatic.
If I were Marvel, I'd care more about my game getting Injustice sales in the first year than whether or not it'll still be played competitively in 5 years.
The MvC series is actually pretty accessible, it just so happens to have a ton of depth. The button lay-out is simpler than Street Fighter (especially in the MvC3 games), the chain combos in (U)MvC3 are much easier to execute, & there was even a Simple Mode that you could use. If anything, a robust tutorial on the level of Guilty Gear Xrd -REVELATOR- could go a long way for casuals. And worst-case scenario, they can have the game play a bit more like Street Fighter with Marvel Super Heroes 2.
I just can't see that game happening in line with what people expect from the series unless its a charitable fanservice move. The point I'm trying to make is that those games found huge success by appealing to a wider crowd, and in Injustice's case it brought a cinematic story mode along as well. The casual Marvel fan might not like a game too much if their only alternative to an online ass kicking (given MvC's wide skill gap) is an arcade ladder with a 3 picture ending.
You do realize that Street Fighter V is getting a Cinematic Story Mode this month, right? The only reason it wasn't at launch is because Capcom needed a game to headline the Capcom Pro Tour. What makes you think that the same wouldn't happen for MvC4?
FTFY, given recent restrictions.
Really? You're bringing up the absolutely useless Simple Mode from MvC3?
The only time MvC3 is accessible is when you're playing against an easy computer. But if a new player is going up against even a decent computer, much less a real person who has any idea of what they're doing, then they're getting stuck in 500 hit combos and having their ass destroyed harder and more humiliatingly than is even possible in Street Fighter.
If you can't do your own 500 hit combos in MvC3, then you are absolutely worthless at the game. That is not an accessible, casual friendly game.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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How about a Bioware X-men RPG?
Or an Xcom style X-men game?
Or an Xcom style X-men game?
Those longer hit counts are usually a result of stuff like TACs, which aren't hard to do (just input the super command in the middle of another super). There's also TAC infinite, which are already super-hard to do to the point where you deserve the damage if you can consistently land the combo. There's a difference between a game having a ton of depth & a game being hard to get into.
OnimaruXLR
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I want an X-Com style SHIELD game.
You could even include hero units with (relatively) powered guys like Hawkeye and Black Widow.
Instead of having to worry about a Sectopod, oh shit, it's MODOK!
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
It may find its way back someday...
The X-Men are banned by Marvel from being in new games, so the Inhumans are the closest you'll get to either of those.
This is what I originally hoped X-Men Destiny was going to be similar to, But it had preset characters -_-
I'm not going to applaud Capcom for a story mode that isn't even out yet, and use pre-release hype to say whether it is good enough for casual fans. The point I'm making is that MvC3 and SFV were both heavily lacking in features for a casual audience. MvC3 itself was rushed out the door and so was Ultimate, so I'm doubting Capcom would let this game bake in the oven unless their hand is forced.
Right on
Assuming this ever happens, I would hope that they would be lax on the supposed character ban, considering franchise history and all. Hopefully the fans will continue to speak up and let them know what they want. MvC4 without any X-Men would be just as bad as not having Mega Man in the last one, for me anyway.
Telltale's game will be Guardians of the Galaxy. Mark my words.
There have been rumblings about this happening in the past. Most notable evidence is an online questionnaire asking gamers about their familiarity with Guardians, what they would want out of a Guardians of the Galaxy game, and their familiarity with Telltale. Telltale has done online questionnaires early in development of their games in the past - I've taken part in ones for Back to the Future, Jurassic Park and Walking Dead myself - all with some hints towards things that ended up in the actual games. It also makes perfect sense, given that other AAA-games like Spiderman are more likely to focus on other characters first, and goofy, talkative, fan-favorite space adventure is exactly the sort of thing Telltale would want to make. They're also already doing more traditional superheroes with Batman and (rumored) other DC heroes.
They've addressed this, at least to their shareholders.
UMvC3 releasing early was reportedly either due to the 2011 earthquake disaster or due to Marvel forcing their hand.
It was a bit of both. The earthquake fucked up their DLC plans (devs had to attend to their families), & Marvel wanted the schedule clear in 2012 for the now-cancelled Avengers movie tie-in game.
Exactly. The more noise we make, the more we voice our opinion about wanting MvC4 to happen & for the bullshit ban to go away.Right on
Assuming this ever happens, I would hope that they would be lax on the supposed character ban, considering franchise history and all. Hopefully the fans will continue to speak up and let them know what they want. MvC4 without any X-Men would be just as bad as not having Mega Man in the last one, for me anyway.
Extra Sauce
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Gimme dat Jessica Jones point-and-click.
With a punch button in the radial menu.
With a punch button in the radial menu.
FadedRevolution
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So because a new player cant come in and wreck shop against people that have practiced the game then its not accessible?
This. That's why there's matchmaking, so you get paired up with people of a comparable skill level. That doesn't change the fact that UMvC3 is easy to initially learn, but hard to master (like most fighting games should be).
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Ms Marvel would be a cool hero for kids.
Agreed, & I'd be shocked if she wasn't included in MvC4 if it happens in the near future. Kamala Khan would serve as a great Super-Skrull replacement & a great non-Royal Family rep for the Inhumans (besides Quake, now retconned in the comics into being an Inhuman instead of an altered human who was mistaken as a mutant early on). Unlike Kid Nova, Ms. Marvel is one of Marvel's new young hero who actually gained popularity. Now Marvel's push for her is much more organic than what happened with Kid Nova.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
What if MS got exclusive rights to X-Men and F4?
The_White_Rose
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Taskmaster Dark Souls-like game please and thank you.
Why curse them like that?
I doubt that since Marvel doesn't want anymore developers working with those franchises, but it would be hilarious.
CamHostage
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Great move for Marvel, and interesting that they're not following the template of the EA/Star Wars deal with single-publisher rights.
My only concern is homogenization, that Marvel might take its videogames so seriously that it'll only let AAA projects that are huge in scope and character depth get through the system. It'll be awesome for the games it delivers, but the games that don't get through such a system could possibly have been the games that would speak to me as a gamer.
Like if their approach is "epic" games ala the Marvel Cinematic Universe, something as story-devoid and canon-breaking as Marvel vs Capcom might not fit that scope (and any time fighting games try to hew to a larger story, the fun gets crowded on.) Having two different Spider-Man play concepts such as Spider-Man 2 and Ultimate Spider-Man might confuse the brand. Would something family-oriented or multiplayer-focused like LEGO Avengers or Marvel Super Hero Squad still fit? Will every game be a third-person hero adventure (as that's often the most "epic" way to show off a character,) or will varied gameplay experiences be as important to the initiative as epic production quality? Does a portable system like 3DS count when they talk about "epic"? Is a racing game "epic"? How many games have to go through the system before something wide-ranging like Ultimate Alliance can happen (do we have to establish every character before putting them in a team-up game?), and if Sony has Spider-Man and say Microsoft has Hulk some other companies have different characters, does Marvel have the clout to do a character-spanning game using platform-exclusive characters in some other publisher's product?
..But for the most part, I'm psyched for this deal! I'm excited for the level of quality this first title is indicating the whole Marvel Games line might carry, and I'm hopeful that my fears will be allayed through gameplay concepts that push the idea of "epic" in all directions.
My only concern is homogenization, that Marvel might take its videogames so seriously that it'll only let AAA projects that are huge in scope and character depth get through the system. It'll be awesome for the games it delivers, but the games that don't get through such a system could possibly have been the games that would speak to me as a gamer.
Like if their approach is "epic" games ala the Marvel Cinematic Universe, something as story-devoid and canon-breaking as Marvel vs Capcom might not fit that scope (and any time fighting games try to hew to a larger story, the fun gets crowded on.) Having two different Spider-Man play concepts such as Spider-Man 2 and Ultimate Spider-Man might confuse the brand. Would something family-oriented or multiplayer-focused like LEGO Avengers or Marvel Super Hero Squad still fit? Will every game be a third-person hero adventure (as that's often the most "epic" way to show off a character,) or will varied gameplay experiences be as important to the initiative as epic production quality? Does a portable system like 3DS count when they talk about "epic"? Is a racing game "epic"? How many games have to go through the system before something wide-ranging like Ultimate Alliance can happen (do we have to establish every character before putting them in a team-up game?), and if Sony has Spider-Man and say Microsoft has Hulk some other companies have different characters, does Marvel have the clout to do a character-spanning game using platform-exclusive characters in some other publisher's product?
..But for the most part, I'm psyched for this deal! I'm excited for the level of quality this first title is indicating the whole Marvel Games line might carry, and I'm hopeful that my fears will be allayed through gameplay concepts that push the idea of "epic" in all directions.
Citizen_Insane
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I'm not the type at all to say Platinum should make everything, but this is the one Marvel game I don't think anyone can do better. I read through all of Immortal Iron Fist recently, and it was honestly one of the best comic runs I've ever read. Platinum could absolutely kill it if they based it off that.I just want an Immortal Iron Fist beat em up that plays like god hand or Urban Reign marvel pls
*needs deep combat system.
we start off as base Iron fist and gradually level up as we learn more moves from the book of the iron fist
*special stages where you get to play as previous iron fist throughout history
Beerman462
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I like the idea of a Capt America game.
Scrub Mcgrubb
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Just make an Overwatch clone with Marvel characters and watch the cash come pouring in.