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[a Master Ninja]

EARTH is under attack! But before you save it, you might want to get your friends to like you some more...plus the time you spend elsewhere won't affect how much Earth is destroyed, so take your time and make sure you have mined every planet in the universe, upgraded your ship to infinity and listened to all of the Illusive man's vague statements before you go.

 

[itxaka]

Well, quite clearly even from the short teaser you can tell that Shepard isn't on Earth but flying around trying to build support from the alien races half which would like nothing better than to see Earth eradicated.

Given that you'll need a big, inter-species army to defeat the Reapers I imagine several things may prove to be important. Firstly, what decision you made regarding the Krogans - the vat grown Krogans and the genophage cure. And also the Geth, whether they are at peace or war with the Quarians and in the mood to help in the fight against their former allies. Because that's two potentially galaxy saving armies right there. Hm, the Rachni might come into it too, they're up to something based on the cameo in ME2.

Oh, and this weird idea that some people have that ME1 was some sort of epic space RPG is hilarious. It's just as much an adventure game as the sequel, only with fewer locations, technical problems and the worst inventory system ever devised.

At least it had a fucking story instead of being a friend sim.

Some of you really need to play me1 again to see how the story and characters flowed into the game instead of attaching some history to character missions.

 

[alerus]

I think you're massively misreading the context of the Citadel battle, relative to the strength of Sovereign. As is said in the wiki, the combined power of the Citadel fleet that was assembled could defeat one reaper.

Even if you choose not to divert a good portion of the alliance fleet to save the council, it makes no difference to the effectiveness against Sovereign. The Alliance Navy is openly calling for a retreat.

Keep in mind this was the entire Fifth Fleet, the ones guarding the center of the Alliance Navy and if you choose the renegade option, they Engage Sovereign directly and ignore the ongoing conflict with the Geth fleet. As Admiral hackket says "All forces engage Sovereign, nothing else matters".

Regardless of your choice, the Alliance fleet ends up focusing exclusively on Sovereign, they do not bother with the rest of the engagement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjternPJnIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYX_klixxIo&feature=related

The critical element is that the fleet is getting f'ed up, not by Sovereign, but by the Geth. Only after the Alliances arrives and directly attacks Sovereign does Sovereign actually fight. And yet, the alliance is still the one with the most numbers in the end. It was the combined attack that screwed the citadel fleet over, not just Sovereign. He's powerful, but not fleet destroying powerful.

 

[valeo]

:lol Thanks

*sigh* Mass Effect, for all of its cliches and unoriginal storytelling, was at least somewhat interesting and presented well. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. And based on what I've heard I have no interest in ME2, and this trailer just confirms my apathy towards ME3. Man, why can't I get just one fantastically written epic sci-fi RPG?

Stop being a snob and enjoy one of the best series this generation has to offer.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I think that a better way to improve the rpg aspects is to have you not choose a class at the beginning of a game but instead allow you to pick skills and weapons as you go along. More customization, more choice and far, far more interesting than what was in there previously.

Not a big fan of the trailer though, looked more like Halo than Star Trek or Mass Effect.

Why bother? Everyone just picks soldier anyway. Just focus on sweet guns and hella cool explosions. It's gonna be sick.

 

[Zen]

The critical element is that the fleet is getting f'ed up, not by Sovereign, but by the Geth. Only after the Alliances arrives and directly attacks Sovereign does Sovereign actually fight. And yet, the alliance is still the one with the most numbers in the end. It was the combined attack that screwed the citadel fleet over, not just Sovereign. He's powerful, but not fleet destroying powerful.

It's pretty clear that the fleets would get f'ed up by Sovereign solo regardless of them being able to take. What you're saying doesn't really address the point that people are making, that being the strength of the Reapers.

I understand the point you're making about people who are saying that Sovereign single handed messed up the council fleet, but I think the power of Sovereign is still depicted as such that the big picture argument is more than valid.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I'm actually surprised they managed to finish the trilogy in one generation.

 

[alerus]

It's pretty clear that the fleets would get f'ed up by Sovereign solo regardless of them being able to take him in the end. What you're saying doesn't really address the point that people are making, that being the strength of the Reapers, what you did present to counter the argument severely under credited the strength of Sovereign.

Pretty clear how? You haven't presented the counter evidence.

And there is no doubt that the Reapers are strong. My argument is merely that they are not *as* strong as some have made them out to be. Especially now that the galaxy has stolen Reaper tech to use against them.


EDIT: I'm going to bed, so someone else will have to continue the discussion

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

yes!!!! I cant wait reapers on earth :O

 

[Rikyfree]

The reapers aren't counting on humanity's most powerful device ever conceived: The Plot Device! Go get'em guys!

 

[BeEatNU]

I fucking can't wait.
Gonna go back to play all 3 again since I lost my saves lol.

I saw trailer, then went to amazon to see if I can pre-order :lol

 

[Zen]

Pretty clear how? You haven't presented the counter evidence.

And there is no doubt that the Reapers are strong. My argument is merely that they are not *as* strong as some have made them out to be. Especially now that the galaxy has stolen Reaper tech to use against them.

I understand the point you're making, but it's only a point within the context of the larger argument about the Reaper strength, and that doesn't hing on Sovereign being able to tank the Citadel solo or not. My post was about you under valuing the strength of Sovereign and I pointed out why I felt that way. Sovereign being able to shit kick the entire Fifth Fleet that was exclusively focusing on him, and was almost completely ineffective in damaging him, is pretty good evidence to the point that the Citadel fleet would have suffered heavy loses if Sovereign had attempted a solo suicide mission.

I mean, doesn't that just strengthen the argument we're making about how strong the Reapers are? When we're talking about needing the combined strength of the entire Citadel Fleet to stop one Reaper [ss]and his Geth cronies[/ss] (They'd need the entire fleet for Sovereign alone), what's the plan for 20 of them? 200? 2,000? Vigil's plan was to prevent the Reapers from ever making it back to our galaxy. That seems to have gone to shit.

The right mix of technological advancement from Sovereign leftovers could help, but that's still asking a lot. I'm really interested in seeing how Bioware handles this.

Personally I think that Bioware will end up throwing realism to the side a little bit, just like how Normandy 2.0 was able to Hadoken the collector ship in one shot by using the Turian upgrade.

 

[Castor Krieg]

2 million dead in the first attack? You would've thought it will be 200 million. Way to go Bioware at scaling back the Reaper threat, I guess you realized you don't have time to do large-scale battles. :lol

 

[Kurtofan]

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
So badass.

2 million dead in the first attack? You would've thought it will be 200 million. Way to go Bioware at scaling back the Reaper threat, I guess you realized you don't have time to do large-scale battles. :lol

first attack

 

[whatevermort]

Forums over the past few years past 4 years:

"Jesus Bioware! When are we gonna see Earth in the ME universe? I mean, God., it's there, right? Why can't we land on it and shit?"

When Bioware announce Earth in the ME games:

"Ugh."

Personally, I'm thrilled. Doesn't mean that the whole game is set on earth, does it? No. Just the final mission(s), I'd expect. And it doesn't mean that they sacrificed narrative ballsiness to put humanity at the forefront, either - let's wait and see how the story pans out.

 

[mokeyjoe]

At least it had a fucking story instead of being a friend sim.

Some of you really need to play me1 again to see how the story and characters flowed into the game instead of attaching some history to character missions.

And to see how ropey and unfinished much of the game felt.

Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1, it's one of my favourite games this gen, and I always thought it got an unfair rap from many quarters because I was able to overlook its many flaws and admire its strengths, but I didn't know there was this retrospective canonisation of the original game going on. There are a few things I like from ME1 better than ME2, the story for instance and the far superior ground vehicle, but then again I prefer the non-linearity of the sequel and a reduction in sidequests that verged on the utterly banal (although it had its moments).

ME2 has the disadvantage of not being new, so the sense of discovery and intrigue is lessened, but it makes up for it by having more to see and do. On balance they're equally good for slightly different reasons, and in raw gameplay terms the sequel is clearly superior. But ME1 isn't any more of an RPG than the sequel, even though it might have pretended to be with a little smoke and mirrors. They're adventure games with a simple character levelling system, that is all, and to decry ME2 or 3 for this is to paint the franchise as something it never was in the first place.

 

[Castor Krieg]

first attack

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

 

[AppleMIX]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

Probably 2 million just in London.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

It's implied that they took their sweet time in the last purge.

It gave the Protheans time to hide out and build some bases for a few years.

 

[EatChildren]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

They're like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park; if you dont move they cant see you.

 

[itxaka]

And to see how ropey and unfinished much of the game felt.

Don't get me wrong, I loved ME1, it's one of my favourite games this gen, and I always thought it got an unfair rap from many quarters because I was able to overlook its many flaws and admire its strengths, but I didn't know there was this retrospective canonisation of the original game going on. There are a few things I like from ME1 better than ME2, the story for instance and the far superior ground vehicle, but then again I prefer the non-linearity of the sequel and a reduction in sidequests that verged on the utterly banal (although it had its moments).

ME2 has the disadvantage of not being new, so the sense of discovery and intrigue is lessened, but it makes up for it by having more to see and do. On balance they're equally good for slightly different reasons, and in raw gameplay terms the sequel is clearly superior. But ME1 isn't any more of an RPG than the sequel, even though it might have pretended to be with a little smoke and mirrors. They're adventure games with a simple character levelling system, that is all, and to decry ME2 or 3 for this is to paint the franchise as something it never was in the first place.

Agreed on everything. Except the adventure parts, I still think the first one is more of an RPG than anything else but well, opinions are that

Gaf should do a let's play of both games in 2011!

 

[Kurtofan]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

They didn't wipe it out in one day you know.
And 2 millions is a huge number in the first attack.

 

[Red]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

Universe =/= galaxy

 

[DY_nasty]

You get attacked by a race of millenia-old machines, who wiped out the Universe many times over...and they kill 2 million in the first attack?:lol

They didn't destroy everything immediately in the last run. Don't see why this time would be any different.

 

[Totobeni]

I'm actually surprised they managed to finish the trilogy in one generation.

well this gen took so long (2005) and expanded more because of Kinect/Move , in a better world we will have new hardware like last year.

 

[Zeal]

first this and then elder scrolls v.

the world cannot endure such megatons.

 

[MannahContana]

Hm. Can't say I'm excited. This is all a very far cry from the 70's-80's style sci-fi that they were aiming for in the original. Oh well, when games like Call of Duty rule the roost, what can you do?

Blade Runner was set on Earth, and was a sci fi film of the 80s...

 

[enzo_gt]

Reminds me I need to finally pick up ME2.

 

[Xamdou]

Trailer looked amazing! Game of the year 2011!!!

I can't wait to unleash my Krogan army lead by Wrex as well as my Rachni army upon the Reapers!

 

[HK-47]

Because neither Obsidian nor Matsuno is currently interested in making epic Sci-fi RPGs.

I dont think sci fi is their forte. Obsidian didnt really concentrate on the sci part of sci fi in KotOR II.

 

[HK-47]

Stop being a snob and enjoy one of the best series this generation has to offer.

This generation is pretty sad then, I see.

 

[subversus]

Stupid post. There is a good reason for the pessimism.

nah. The trailer is supposed to sell.

Earth? Close to home. Check.

Spoiler

also never been there in ME universe.

Reapers? Cool looking battleships for a familiar to audiences since Independence Day. Check.

Spoiler

yeah, I know they're aliens not battleships, but who cares

Sheppard is the only important human? He is the main protagonist of the game, who else supposed to be more important for most people?

 

[itxaka]

He is the main protagonist of the game, who else supposed to be more important for most people?

Wrex

 

[subversus]

Wrex

No, I.... won't...

Spoiler

Shepard

 

[Wazzim]

Looks epic, now let's see if I finish 2 before this comes out..

 

[Rad-]

Well if they can really deliver it next fall, good good. Have a feeling it will get delayed though.

 

[devilhunterx]

Mass Resistance: Fall of Sheep!

 

[nubbe]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

It's going to be a FPS >_>

 

[AshMcCool]

7 Million dead after a week? That`s not very impressive for reapers.

Maybe we'll get a earth-centric acion-oriented sidestory and a rpg-oriented shepard main-story. I think I'd like that.

And I don't remember Bioware having a big history of game delays, so I expect this to release on time. Or at least not very far from it.

 

[Suzzopher]

Holy shit, Reapers on Earth

 

[Zzoram]

Ya, I was hoping I misheard and he meant 2 Billion dead. You can kill 2 million just attacking ONE major city. Malaria is more dangerous than the Reapers.

 

[Dilly]

People complaining about the story based on a minute long teaser. :lol

It was obvious from the first ME that earth would play a big role in the end game anyway.

 

[EarsOfASnake]

I hope Earth isn't too much of a focus, definitely want to go there though. Hopefully we will see something a bit out of the box though, make Earth the first place to fall in the galaxy? Or how about having to jump from planet to planet trying to save each species from the reapers. Various choices you have made would effect their odds of survival without your presence there. Pumped for more ME regardless.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

What's with the A-61 gunships in the trailer? Are they just groups of people bailing out of London?

Weren't they usually used by mercs and such?

 

[BeEatNU]

What's with the A-61 gunships in the trailer? Are they just groups of people bailing out of London?

Weren't they usually used by mercs and such?

not sure but a lil bit off topic, i hear you suck @ tekken


either way, i cannot wait for this game!

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Tekken? wat.

Probably missing some injoke here*

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Serious post: the focus on Earth makes sense as

Spoiler

the reapers are turning humans into their new collectors.

 

[Dilly]

Oh, and the size of the Reapers is fine, they're easily 20 times as big as the Big Ben.

 

[2San]

Serious post: the focus on Earth makes sense as

Spoiler

the reapers are turning humans into their new collectors.

This would make sense and would explain why they aren't killing people left and right.

 

[Rubezh]

Don't worry fellas, they will succumb to our bacteria eventually.