Wiggum2007
Junior Member
Why is it okay for gamers to call for a patch to make overhauls to a multiplayer game (and developers often respond with changes based on gamer feedback), but calling for a change to a poor ending gets them vilified?
Believe it or not Forbes has been knocking it out of the park with their coverage on this fiasco, even highlighting how awful the "normal" gaming media has been during this.
It is great $80K has been donated but aren't people donating for the wrong reasons?
Does it really matter?It is great $80K has been donated but aren't people donating for the wrong reasons?
Forbes trolling the shit out of the gaming media:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/22/is-bioware-setting-a-dangerous-precedent-by-considering-alternative-endings/?utm_source=alertsnewpost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20120322
Journalist gets butt hurt when he is called out. Also didn't consult the person he was talking about before he published his fan bashing article.
Damn, is the ending that fucking bad?
Why is it okay for gamers to call for a patch to make overhauls to a multiplayer game (and developers often respond with changes based on gamer feedback), but calling for a change to a poor ending gets them vilified?
That's great! Please elaborate now. Because you aren't really stating why you like it.
I said I didn't like the ending though?
I get it that underneath it all it's for charity, but ffs BSN or whatever just stop it already, everywhere you talk about ME, even a moment of the game "lol ending sucks BW, change it..." As if they have the rights to. My God--
Believe it or not Forbes has been knocking it out of the park with their coverage on this fiasco, even highlighting how awful the "normal" gaming media has been during this.
What an awful post. This has nothing to do with that dreadful meme, nor is it "whining".
Gamers.
I'm constantly embarrassed to be one of them.
There is never a wrong reason to donate to charity.
Sorry, I meant regarding the reaction.
Looking forward to seeing this ending.
Damn, is the ending that fucking bad?
I think the main thing is because it didn't have closure and I think alot will determine what happens next with the dlc and such but also the fact people like to complain about Mass Effect and Bioware in general, I totally think it's an incredible overreaction to say that it ruin the series for many people, for some people I could see but the majority I doubt it.Okay, since we're being serious here: It did ruin the series for many people. Why the hell do you think people are bitching about it? Why do you think there is two |OT| continuations in the spoiler thread? Because people are bitching about the ending because it IS terrible and they feel like their choices didn't matter.(WAKE UP THEY NEVER DID! ME2 SHOWED THIS! ARGHARGHARGHARGHARGHARGHARGHARARGH)
Most people hate the fact that all the endings are similar. Not the downer ending that most article writers think people are bitching about.
Indeed, it's so embarassing to donate money to charity. Those bunch of entitled pricks, giving their money to a good cause. Shameful actions.
Forbes trolling the shit out of the gaming media:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/22/is-bioware-setting-a-dangerous-precedent-by-considering-alternative-endings/?utm_source=alertsnewpost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20120322
Journalist gets butt hurt when he is called out. Also didn't consult the person he was talking about before he published his fan bashing article.
Why is it okay for gamers to call for a patch to make overhauls to a multiplayer game (and developers often respond with changes based on gamer feedback), but calling for a change to a poor ending gets them vilified?
People are donating money because they are angry and they want a company to change its story.
The level of reaction about the ending is unprecedented and people feel like they can demand change...which, I feel like is a crazy concept. I can say I dislike the ending and that it sucked but I'm not going to ask/demand them to change it.
That is where this 'retake ME3" just seems crazy, that giving money to a charity showcases that fans cares and that they are worth listening too.
I just don't know.
You don't even have to guess who wrote it.My goodness, the tone of that Destructoid piece.
Wow.
Do you think the kids receiving the toys, care about the reasoning of the donors?
People are donating money because they are angry and they want a company to change its story.
The level of reaction about the ending is unprecedented and people feel like they can demand change...which, I feel like is a crazy concept. I can say I dislike the ending and that it sucked but I'm not going to ask/demand them to change it. EDIT: I take that back, fans demand a lot of things, all the time but as soon as bioware reacted, it changes everything
That is where this 'retake ME3" just seems crazy, that giving money to a charity showcases that fans cares and that they are worth listening too.
I just don't know.
It's pretty much the best thing I've ever read, I want to print and frame it.My goodness, the tone of that Destructoid piece.
Wow.
Well, that's the thing. Bioware's co-founder validated their decision (of the project leads) by suggesting they have a right to their "artistic integrity". Yet, if we assume that this is true, than that would mean they have all the right in the world to change their ending, as any artist would change their work if it didn't have the intended effect.
Books get rewritten, painting get remade, whole buildings get (last minute) alterations. There is absolutely nothing preventing an artist from changing his own work.
Unless of course, we have to assume (correctly) that they cannot, as the publisher has the final say in all this. And then it's just a long 'not saying what needs to be said'. Either they can change it or they can't. The answer will be what it is.
The deeply disturbing aspect of all this is it is basically a PR trench war, where the consumer is left in the dark, and the publisher / developer refuses to man the fuck up and say it already. The PR aspect is then blown to full nuclear war by "critics" or "gaming journalist" who prove themselves to be nothing more than mouthpieces or just dumb fucks who really couldn't get a better job.
I'm not sure which is more depressing. And on the bright side, Bioware has actually commented to they will add further 'elaboration' to the ending, but that won't change that it doesn't make a lick of sense. Either that sense is added, or it remains a terrible ending. For any medium btw. If this was a movie or book it would be just as rubbish.
edit: and it is not related to the charity rally, which was just to make a point. 80.000 bucks were donated just to make that point. I would call that a good day for everyone.
Oh I get it that the ending has a lot of things to be explained, but this whole "This is the way we want it" is just too much. I'm guessing this is all based off the Deception comic where people were unhappy about errors in the universe [with perfect logic to boot] but changes to the ending? You can't demand that. They've decided what they wanted and we kind of have to accept it in the end.
You don't even have to guess who wrote it.
Oh I get it that the ending has a lot of things to be explained, but this whole "This is the way we want it" is just too much. I'm guessing this is all based off the Deception comic where people were unhappy about errors in the universe [with perfect logic to boot] wrote an angry letter and got some change done. But changes to the ending? You can't demand that. They've decided what they wanted and we kind of have to accept it in the end.
Jim Reily? I don't want to click the link.
They can demand all they want but I hope it never happens. Since when do gamers have any say in how a storyline concludes? I really hope Bioware doesn't cave because it'll just be bad for the gaming industry as a whole. I do think it's great there's a donation for charity but it's unfortunate it's this cause.The consumer can surely demand, the ending be changed.
People are donating money because they are angry and they want a company to change its story.
The level of reaction about the ending is unprecedented and people feel like they can demand change...which, I feel like is a crazy concept. I can say I dislike the ending and that it sucked but I'm not going to ask/demand them to change it. EDIT: I take that back, fans demand a lot of things, all the time but as soon as bioware reacted, it changes everything
That is where this 'retake ME3" just seems crazy, that giving money to a charity showcases that fans cares and that they are worth listening too.
I just don't know.
They can demand all they want but I hope it never happens. Since when do gamers have any say in how a storyline concludes? I really hope Bioware doesn't cave because it'll just be bad for the gaming industry as a whole. I do think it's great there's a donation for charity but it's unfortunate it's this cause.