People who refuse to replay the series because of the ending of 3 amuse me. I personally choose to believe the Indoctrination Theory. I'd be getting this day one if it's actually true
It just doesn't hold up to a lick of scrutiny
End of the day the Andromeda ending wasn't all that either...and that was left hanging until the book came out....(then again Andromeda is the lowest point in the franchise so no surprises there either..)For as much people complain about the Me3 ending I’ve never heard a suggested ending that didn’t sound much, much worse. The ending was a bit of a letdown, but was at least very definitive and had some changes in the galaxy.
Prove it. Prove that it doesn't.
Indoctrination is the only thing that makes the "the reapers win no matter what haha fuck you and oh yeah two of the choices make no sense kthanksbai" ending make even a shred of sense. My brother watched me play the third game, and as the credits rolled he said Shepard must be indoctrinated, because that's the only reason he'd stop fighting and go along with the reapers.The whole indoctrination theory is just clutching at straws fanfic to try and handwave away the abomination of the 3rd games ending. It should be renamed The Desperate Apologists Theory (Occams razor is laughing long and hard at it). It's well known that Hudson and Walters basically threw Karpyshyn's original idea about the Reaper Regular Extinction event being related to Dark Energy (which is brought up as a subject I ME2 quite a lot) away once he went to work on SW for them and pulled the whole 3 choices thing out of their ass at the last minute and thought it would somehow magically come out smelling of roses instead of putrid shit. It is just a tapestry of snippets here and there sewn together by people with too much sunk-cost bias to believe that what they got served was a shitburger with fries and Mountain Dew to wash away the taste.
It just doesn't hold up to a lick of scrutiny.
Now with all of that said I'm not entirely opposed to getting the remaster at some point because I'd be interested at the very least to see how they've brought the games in line with each other from a design perspective, given that there are significant differences between all three mechanistically (for the record I think 3 got the balance right when it came to weapons, upgrades and skills) but there's no saving the lamentable nature of that ending, and in truth, there's a few other aspects of 3 that are less than stellar in terms of how they were handled.
Ultimately it is what it is at the end of the day and if you take comfort in extended fan-fic that's your prerogative, but never forget ; -
Indoctrination is the only thing that makes the "the reapers win no matter what haha fuck you and oh yeah two of the choices make no sense kthanksbai" ending make even a shred of sense. My brother watched me play the third game, and as the credits rolled he said Shepard must be indoctrinated, because that's the only reason he'd stop fighting and go along with the reapers.
I don't believe it's what the devs intended, it's the only plotline from any of the games that has any kind of connection with the bullshit at the end. It was a happy accident, for lack of a better term.
Feel free to keep believing what you do if it makes you sleep better at night. I'll stick with : -
Now hold on there, mister. Mass Effect 1 allows you to punch a female reporter in the face. If there's a remaster, we get to see if it gets censored, which will be funny in its own right; but if it doesn't, there's a good chance EA campuses in the States will be under siege by radicalized gamers.
There's potential here.
Let me see how should I spend my Sunday
oh my god cmonNot worth the money if they aren't going to fix the ending.
Considering how your attitude reveals your inflexibility or unwillingness to listen to anything else than what you believe in, I think I'm wasting my time. But anyway...
The reapers are millions of years old machines, artificial intelligence with infinite calculation ability. They have indoctrinated a lot of people in the fiest two games and you think it requires any effort?
They indoctrinate anyone who stands in their way - Saren, TIM, that woman from Arrival - and anyone who has any power to sway people to their side.
No brainer, I say.
But you don't really seem to want to argument against the theory. You just like to call other people crazy over a game and a theory because it is something you don't believe in.
But if you really want to talk about the theory, let me know.
Here;I have tried to find a source where anyone from Bioware denies indoctrination. Haven't succeeded.
Universal truth about the endings is that the reapers were defeated, TIM is out of the way, and the ones that survived can live on within the universe. I.e. in all the endings, the reapers were defeated and TIM died. So, destroy being the only option because of indoctrination is out the window.
Or UE6 on XSX.This series need a remake, not a remaster. Redo them all in UE5.
Considering this thread is about a remaster, and some people might jump into these games for the first time, I'm going to put my reply in spoiler tags.Thanks, hadn't seen that before! A good watch. I may not understand something now but how does that exclude indoctrination theory? Does it mean the ending where Shepard chooses "destroy" but dies?
Personally - and the indoctrination theory - I've always that the reapers were defeated in any case. The whole choice in the Crucible was about Shepard - whether he is fully indoctrinated or not. It doesn't matter whether you pick control or synergy, either of those is a sign of you being indoctrinated and nothing happens to the reapers, they are not controlled and there is no synergy, it is just a trap. And to give the player three options to play with like the three parts of the dialogue wheel. If Shepard is indoctrinated or dead, the alliance wins the reapers without him through the Crucible which is ready to fire. If Shepard chooses destroy and survives, he is part of the victory - but like it has always been say in the game, wars are won together.
In any case, I think it says something about a game - or any piece of art - if it keeps people talking even 10 years after it was released. I think that is amazing and an achievement regardless of what anyone thinks of the ending. Hate is pointless, I'm just glad people experienced it so differently.
Considering Hackett's last message was that the Crucible is not firing and Shepard must do something, it kind of flies in the face of indoctrination theory, because if Shepard is indoctrinated, the Crucible would not fire at all since Shepard's action would not take place. And why would the Reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard at the last second if the Crucible is going to fire anyway?
That looks like what a Mass Effect movie poster would be like, advertised outside cinemas!!Trivial I know but I hope the box art is something like this
I wonder how you could stomach that atrocious performance. In any case, you'll likely want to replay it in the future anyway. Don't force it.I've just finished Mass Effect 1 on PS3.
I wonder how you could stomach that atrocious performance.
The ending to 2 was banging what are you talking aboutWe’re talking about the ending to part 2, right?
Yet another confirmation that EA killed the franchise.Besides the below, which is sad, I still enjoyed 3; just not as much as 1 or 2.
This is one of the reasons I want there to be a trilogy remaster. Eliminate the inferior gameplay element of ME1, and then people will realize how vastly superior ME1 is compared to ME2 and ME3.First Mass Effect sucked ass. 2 and 3 were great. Gameplay was phenomenal.
Mass Effect 1 is the GOAT of SciFi games, 2 & 3 are good games but suck compared to 1. ME1 is still my most replayed game ever.