Danneee said:Of course he's not going to admit it's an eating disorder, why people are still arguing with him about it is what really baffles me.
Goldrusher said:Unless you're eating pounds of the stuff, chocolate isn't unhealthy. At all.
Unless Australian chocolate is different from the stuff here in Belgium.
Zaptruder said:An excess of such behaviour is what I'd definetly consider a disorder.
Just like an excess of any behaviours, including exercising, abstaining from food, drinking alcohol, smoking, etc.
Some excesses are more harmful than others.
In the context of limited behaviour, this is probably grosser than most with a good dash of social taboo thrown in (ask why the taboo exists, and ask yourself if its applicable in this situation or even in todays world), but is otherwise pretty benign... as far as these sorts of things go.
Goldrusher said:Unless you're eating pounds of the stuff, chocolate isn't unhealthy. At all.
Unless Australian chocolate is different from the stuff here in Belgium.
Same.Masked Man said:I did that for a while. D= I've always had body image issues, though--or at least since middle-school, I suppose.
Zaptruder said:Thinking this over, the amount that I spit out on a daily basis is pretty small, and as such probably not even worth the hassle.
BowieZ said:Same.
I used to count kilojoules. Literally, every single food item I tallied it up so that I was, say, 1,000 or so below the daily recommended. So, so stupid, and it never works out in the end. But at the time, you think nothing of it, and you self-justify it: "this is normal, this is what people do or should do, I'm being healthy!" but like many things in life, you lack the perspective to see how damaging and psychologically unhealthy what you're doing is.
It's an eating disorder when you are going to obsessive lengths to control your body image. And you might think counting every calorie is obsessive where spitting out a few candied goodies is not, but as everyone else has assured you in this thread, and a GP will too, doing that at all is very obsessive.
(Well, I can't remember how much it was, it was a good 5 years ago, but it was enough to make me dangerously thin over time. I'd post pics, but I don't want to freak anyone out and it's not like the point is getting through to Zaptruder anyway.)Masked Man said:Yeah, I don't make sure I'm that far below the recommended level
BowieZ said:(Well, I can't remember how much it was, it was a good 5 years ago, but it was enough to make me dangerously thin over time. I'd post pics, but I don't want to freak anyone out and it's not like the point is getting through to Zaptruder anyway.)
mrkgoo said:Should've titled this thread:
Masticate and expectorate: Opinionate.
Zaptruder said:Clever. Alas, I'm no word smith. Had to look up expectorate.
Zaptruder said:An excess of such behaviour is what I'd definetly consider a disorder.
Just like an excess of any behaviours, including exercising, abstaining from food, drinking alcohol, smoking, etc.
Some excesses are more harmful than others.
In the context of limited behaviour, this is probably grosser than most with a good dash of social taboo thrown in (ask why the taboo exists, and ask yourself if its applicable in this situation or even in todays world), but is otherwise pretty benign... as far as these sorts of things go.
ianp622 said:Ok, we've shown you the risks, that it actually IS an eating disorder, but you refuse to stop. You can't really blame us for thinking that trying to change your ways is futile.
Instead of eating sugary foods and spitting them out, just cut them out all together. If you start drinking water and remove sodas, candy, desserts and everything from your diet, eventually you won't crave them anymore. I replaced drinking soda with water 2 years ago, and now I don't even like the taste of soda as much. I almost exclusively eat dark chocolate, because it's good for you and not that sweet. Sure, I have days where I might eat candy, but I don't eat it like I used to. And usually I'll eat a banana instead.
Look, all of us here are trying to help -- me included, and me being an ass doesn't preclude me from also trying to be helpful -- but everything you've been saying has indicated that you don't want or don't think you need help.Zaptruder said:You're such an ass.
Again, the point is, even if you're able to lose the desired amount of weight (which is what, exactly?), and even presuming you keep this spitting habit to a minimum, you are not solving any of your craving issues, you are just delaying the inevitable -- most of your original weight (if not more) -- is highly, highly likely to return.At this point in my weight loss, this kind of behaviour is pretty far from unhealthy, given how much I do weigh, and how much I do this... but at the same time, once I've lost the weight, and I still maintain this habit, things are going to start getting ugly then. Especially if its something that does spiral out of control in intensity... turn into an addiction so to speak.
Zaptruder said:Hmm.
Reading that, I'm inclined to think that it could develop into an eating disorder... but as with many things in life, moderation is required.
Glad to hear it, man. My family just recently went through a battle with an eating disorder. Had to send that person off to Arizona for several months to undo the damage that had been done. So, I wouldn't want to see you or your family go through that.Zaptruder said:So given that rationality... yeah, I'm changing my mind on this one.
BowieZ said:Look, all of us here are trying to help -- me included, and me being an ass doesn't preclude me from also trying to be helpful -- but everything you've been saying has indicated that you don't want or don't think you need help.
So why waste our time asking a question if you are just going to argue your answer over and over?
If you went and saw a GP about this, your GP would be absolutely horrified without any question, and would probably try to talk you into seeing a psychologist with a referral letter. For your own health, I'd like to see you come back here and prove us otherwise.
Again, the point is, even if you're able to lose the desired amount of weight (which is what, exactly?), and even presuming you keep this spitting habit to a minimum, you are not solving any of your craving issues, you are just delaying the inevitable -- most of your original weight (if not more) -- is highly, highly likely to return.
Koomaster said:I'm not sure I agree with most that it's necessarily wrong or will lead to a full blown eating disorder. Could be, could not be.
However it sounds like the amount you are chewing/spitting is so small, it wouldn't make any difference to your overall weight gain/loss. If you want to induldge in a piece of chocolate everyday, you should be fine.
Sounds like you are trying to eat healthy otherwise and exercise; so why do this to yourself?
One thing you are probably doing though is chewing long enough to really get the flavor of the chocolate. This is actually a good behavior, chew your food longer in the future and enjoy it more before you swallow. You'll feel more satiated, and enjoy what you are eating more as you'll have time to enjoy the flavors instead of rushing to get it to your stomach.
Anyway, don't stress OP. Keep with normal diet/exercise and you'll get to where you want to be. There isn't any magic secret or shortcut to losing weight; so no need to try out stuff like spitting out perfectly fine food.
PuppetSlave said:Glad to hear to you changed your mind op! (Does not really happen that often in GAF advice threads I have noticed. )
Good luck in your weight loss. It is worth all the hard work, believe me, so keep at it. (I lost quite a lot of weight a year back or so. I did some stupid shit along the way but it worked out in the end. )
This thread has some tips if you are looking for some.
EYEL1NER said:After reading this topic and OP replies, I was close to suggesting we let him continue and see what happens, but if you are in fact reconsidering, good on you.
It does not sound like it is healthy , be it physically or psycologically healthy or whatever. It does seem to have the signs of an eating disorder.
And it also seems like a waste of time. Why do it? Youve got your day you can eat shit food, right? Eat the shit food you like on that day. Dont gorge yourself on chocalate, but that is what that day is for. That temptation is going to be there, but that day is what keeps that constant temptation in check for the rest of the week until the next day.
Be strong-willed. It sucks when I ask (and then beg and plead) some of my coworkers to go out and eat dinner or something with me and they say no, because they wont let themselves. It sucks because it is less time I get to hang out with them, but I do applaud them for maintaining their diets and not caving in, for going and running and doing sprints when I try to talk them out of excersing and going into town or something. Fuck, they're in better shape than I am. I cant squat 500+ lbs...
Zaptruder said:Thanks for the positive words gaffers.
These are just one of those brain waves where you're thinking... it can't be quite right*; although you can't find the reasons for it.
*hell it almost seems right! (... or does it?!).
The struggle of the will is one of the biggest factors concerning any diet. I mean, I've lived for 25+ years without much of a care about this stuff... I'm basically like many of my generation weaned on sugar. It's an addiction. Understanding that it's harmful for me is one thing... exercising the will to reject it without compromise is another entirely more tricky thing.
The ability to discuss this kinda stuff freely, and without hopefully too much judgment (which would cause people to shy away from discussion), helps a person become more informed, helps them take on additional angles of thought that they may not have considered, or may have slipped them, and ultimately helps make better decisions.
DonMigs85 said:What a terrible, terrible waste of food. Just don't start doing this with meats and more expensive snacks.
Liara T'Soni said:Personally, this sounds like torture to me.
If I'm not gonna eat it, I don't want to see, taste, or smell it.
You're jerking to the point of climax...and stopping.
Yup.agrajag said:That's true too, doesn't sound like a very satisfying practice.
Well . . . isn't that what tantric sex is all about?Liara T'Soni said:Personally, this sounds like torture to me.
If I'm not gonna eat it, I don't want to see, taste, or smell it.
You're jerking to the point of climax...and stopping.