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[soultron]

It's just silly. Technically you're right people should wait until we get some kind of direct feed gameplay demonstration in order to give a fair judgment, I'd agree with that. There's still time to hear about the flashback sections of the game and so on. But I just simply don't like this setting. Unless the flashbacks take up 75% of the game I don't care.

But I have a feeling they'll be more like 10% and the rest of the game will be Vice City motorcycle jumping building to building with a beautiful sun vista in your face but Rockstar will shoehorn in the gritty dark Max Payne theme and pretend like it matches that environment. I wouldn't be mad if they just made this into a new IP since that's basically what this is with the exception of bullet time, narration and the VA.

That's where we simply have differing opinions and preferences: the setting and presentation thus far. You'll get your nod to NYC and Hawaiian-shirt Max -- we've already seen that it's definitely happening. You're also right that we don't know how much of the game that will comprise. I personally wouldn't bet on it being larger than needed to provide the requisite fan service.

Still, if your enjoyment of videogames hinges mostly on the visual aspects, I think you'd be better off spending your time becoming a film enthusiast moreso than a video game enthusiast. This isn't meant to be an insult; from what I've gathered from this and a few other MP3 threads, you really seem to value what you're seeing moreso than what you're playing.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

So go play Gears and watch their boring ones? Why should Max Payne have to change just because you have bad taste?

Max Payne 3 will have cut scenes and "motion comics"... though I have no idea what they'll look like.

Hm, maybe it'll be a 24-style split between the scenes? Just speculation on my part.

they kept the same shitty voice actor, that should be quite enough for the curmudgeons

 

[angular graphics]

So now its bad because Max Payne 3 has actual cutscenes? Ok, thats your opinion, I always hated comic type of cutscenes, cant stand it.

I sympathize. I also hated the slow zombies in Resident Evil, the stealth in Splinter Cell, the RPG mechanics in Mass Effect..

Thankfully the industry has listened to me and instead of telling me, "look you don't like these games, why don't you go and play something that you like", they changed the actual games to fit my tastes. Thanks industry.

 

[mhi]

Rockstar up to their old tricks again. They like retelling movies/stories.

Their spin on

 

[Chinner]

You have trouble reading? I said, GREAT, I hate comic style cut scenes, they bore me to death. If you love them go play MP1-2 because you are not going to see them again...

And so I guess I have bad taste because I don't like type of cutscene 0,05% games use?Right...

i agree, max payne WOULD be better with a mark and execute system and melee combat!

 

[Fjordson]

Why should Max Payne have to change just because you have bad taste?

Well that's a silly thing to say. Why should Max Payne stay the same because you want it to?

 

[Joseph Merrick]

looks pretty uninteresting. but then I also didn't give a shit about maxpayne2

 

[angular graphics]

i agree, max payne WOULD be better with a mark and execute system and melee combat!

Will it be visceral?

 

[Chinner]

Will it be visceral?

bro its going to be so visceral that you're going to be all visceraled out.

 

[Shadow of the BEAST]

So now its bad because Max Payne 3 has actual cutscenes? Ok, thats your opinion, I always hated comic type of cutscenes, cant stand it.

I like comic book cutscense if they are good.

But the ones in max payne sucked. Felt completely detached from the rest of the game. And frankly they where kinda ugly.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Mirrors are more fun than Rockstar's vision.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Will it be visceral?

Well surely and it gets piss filter too. We call it "The Sunny Side" filter.

 

[Omikaru]

Just what I wanted, an angry bald man shooter! Haven't played one of those before.

Certainly beats having everything that was so wonderfully unique about the first two games. I can almost picture the focus testing groups telling R* how to make the game better.

 

[StevePharma]

Can't really put my finger on people's feelings this thread. Max Payne 1&2's stories were nothing to write home about. Guy kills zillions of nameless people because he has family issues combined with an idiotic drug distributed by some Illuminati type people. Add in a moody flawed love interest and we're set. Action was great for its time though and the WAY the somewhat uninspiring story was told made it bearable. The movie lacked this polish which is probably why it sucked.

Judging from the trailer the action seems to be quick and up to par with the old games. It also seems you are going to kill a zillion dudes again. Dat Uncharted syndrome. Story seems as uninteresting as ever, but will probably be redeemed by acting performances and general tone. Just like the first two games.

I'm really looking forward to it. It will probably not be the most memorable R*-game but that doesn't always have to be the case. For the first half of 2012 R* has a good title and makes me excited for what they will show for their possible Fall title.

 

[DarkChild]

I sympathize. I also hated the slow zombies in Resident Evil, the stealth in Splinter Cell, the RPG mechanics in Mass Effect..

Thankfully the industry has listened to me and instead of telling me, "look you don't like these games, why don't you go and play something that you like", they changed the actual games to fit my tastes. Thanks industry.

No, I don't like those types of cutscenes so that comes as big plus in my book, but that never stopped me from enjoying Max Payne games. I hate how guns in UC games feel, I don't like how bad motion capture was in Assassins Creed games, but that never stopped me from playing and liking those games.

So I'll finish it here, as I said earlier, some of you guys will hate the fact that he is bald and alcoholic, that its set in Sao Paolo, but there will be same amount of people that will love that kind of progression. Same thing with cutscenes, if you don't like it go and play Max Payne 2 if it bothers you much...

 

[Suairyu]

Need to see more. Have no problem with character and location change, as stories are meant to develop as they go on. Wouldn't mind a return to NY for part 4, either.

Who knows?

All any of us can say is "will wait and see."

Anyone making snap judgements - either way - about how faithful it is are idiots. BUT WHAT'S NEW?

 

[dark_inferno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLNO4oq2bx8

 

[JorSneezy]

Uninteresting. The cool gameplay hooks in the original were a loooonnnng time ago, and been taken and/or iterated upon by other developers. Too many shooters nowadays to think your shooter will stand apart because you shoot things.

 

[Angry Fork]

rofl. awesome gif

And btw, its would be all nice and dandy if Max Payne 3 stayed EXACTLY the same as two before it, but hell raises up when MW3 is exactly the same as other two? Strange logic I might add...

You're not making any sense. Max Payne 2 came out in 2003 that's why we want another one like it. Because the last one was so long ago and nothing has been like it since. COD comes out with the same shit every single year this gen. Come on now.

That's where we simply have differing opinions and preferences: the setting and presentation thus far. You'll get your nod to NYC and Hawaiian-shirt Max -- we've already seen that it's definitely happening. You're also right that we don't know how much of the game that will comprise. I personally wouldn't bet on it being larger than needed to provide the requisite fan service.

Still, if your enjoyment of videogames hinges mostly on the visual aspects, I think you'd be better off spending your time becoming a film enthusiast moreso than a video game enthusiast. This isn't meant to be an insult; from what I've gathered from this and a few other MP3 threads, you really seem to value what you're seeing moreso than what you're playing.

When it comes to Max Payne I definitely care more about about the visual aspect I don't have a problem admitting that. Honestly for me the gameplay takes a backseat. When I replay MP1 and 2 I don't do it because of the bullet time that's just some extra fun gimmick.

I replay them because the atmosphere, setting and dialogue are so incredibly rich. When I replay Silent Hill 2 I do it because of the amazing atmosphere but the controls and gameplay are terrible by today's standards, but Silent Hill 2 is still the crown achievement of horror for a lot of people because it does everything else so perfectly. This is how I feel with Max Payne and shooters.

Well that's a silly thing to say. Why should Max Payne stay the same because you want it to?

Because that's how it was made? If anyone should get to say if it changes it should be Remedy.

 

[NullPointer]

Its RockStar so I'm interested. But their history with shooter controls leaves a lot to be desired and those controls will ultimately determine whether I pick this one up or not.

 

[SimonM7]

I went into this trailer completely open to having Rockstar's trailer wizards convince me that bald heads, wifebeaters, San Paolo and beards were what this franchise needed, but then they slugged me in the face right away with the brilliant, dark, moody Max Payne theme so grossly out of tune with the imagery it made me cringe in despair.

This is so tonally out of whack that any remnants of what Max Payne was is nothing but a cruel reminder.

The rest of it is little to speak of. We get to see somewhat sympathetic and Max Payney looking Max Payne so that the transformation into bald slob Payne is even more heartbreaking, and then there's some GTA stuff interrupted by a slow motion bullet as if to twist the knife a couple of more rounds in your chest. Then it finally unceremoniously ends on a few Max Payne theme chords sloppily plastered over another dusty, hazy, generic shot void of anything even remotely evocative.

I'm usually open and enthusiastic and positive about change. I'm still excited about Hitman Absolution, I thought Splinter Cell Conviction was a great after loving the bits off of the franchise prior all the way up to DA on Xbox, and Syndicate? Pretty much there! This though, just bums me the hell out.

 

[angular graphics]

Same thing with cutscenes, if you don't like it go and play Max Payne 2 if it bothers you much...

Likewise if our responses bother you so much, go and play your favorite R* game.

 

[DarkChild]

Its RockStar so I'm interested. But their history with shooter controls leaves a lot to be desired and those controls will ultimately determine whether I pick this one up or not.

I agree, I can't get in GTA IV controls even now after 3 years, but RDR was good though.

 

[DarkChild]

Likewise if our responses bother you so much, go and play your favorite R* game.

Your responses don't bother me one bit since you guys where the first to quote me. I don't care I love it, direction that they are taking seems to suit my taste and only guys left to be bothered by that are "bald alcoholic Max" haters

 

[codhand]

shitty voice actor taste guy has shitty movie taste as well; shock

 

[Fjordson]

Because that's how it was made? If anyone should get to say if it changes it should be Remedy.

And this is how Max Payne 3 is being made.

If Remedy hadn't sold all their rights to the franchise then I'm sure they would have a say. But they did. And life goes on.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

shitty voice actor taste guy has shitty movie taste as well; shock

What? You're the shitty voice actor taste guy.

Edit: Alt account? What is happening here!?

 

[Angry Fork]

And this is how Max Payne 3 is being made.

If Remedy hadn't sold all their rights to the franchise then I'm sure they would have a say. But they did. And life goes on.

This is how new IP is being made with some Max Payne elements in order to get hardcore fans to buy it as well*

And I agree that Rockstar has the right to do what they want with it since they own it but I completely disagree with the direction is all I'm saying.

 

[Calcaneus]

If I can shoot people in the face and have as much as in the old ones, then they're already there.

My enjoyment of Max Payne didn't hinge on the setting, but it will be missed.

 

[DarkChild]

I'm so glad I will be able to play as mentally unstable bald alcoholic badass

 

[codhand]

I appreciate so bad it's good pulp narration as much as anyone, but they kept him for OG fans, who will never be happy anyway, unless it's an HD remake.

 

[dark_inferno]

Did R* Games even confirmed some Payne dreams?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

I'll miss the frozen New York setting but I don't doubt that this will be a very good third person shooter. Considerably better than its predecessors in fact.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Did R* Games even confirmed some Payne dreams?

Imagine if the entire Sao Paulo plot was Max's dream in a huge plot twist and it turns out Max has been rotting in prison for ten years.

 

[angular graphics]

Imagine if the entire Sao Paulo plot was Max's dream in a huge plot twist and it turns out Max has been rotting in prison for ten years.

Hopefully R*'s storytelling won't be that bad. :O

 

[JumpingTheGun]

Imagine if the entire Sao Paulo plot was Max's dream in a huge plot twist and it turns out Max has been rotting in prison for ten years.

id approve actually. been awhile since ive seen a generic plot twist like that.

 

[derFeef]

Imagine if the entire Sao Paulo plot was Max's dream in a huge plot twist and it turns out Max has been rotting in prison for ten years.

Ugh, I hope not as that would be silly.

 

[Untracked]

Look at all that sunshine! May aswell go all out and throw a few rainbows in there.

 

[dark_inferno]

Imagine if the entire Sao Paulo plot was Max's dream in a huge plot twist and it turns out Max has been rotting in prison for ten years.

That would be even the best Story R* Games could come up with.

 

[Suairyu]

This is how new IP is being made with some Max Payne elements in order to get hardcore fans to buy it as well*

And I agree that Rockstar has the right to do what they want with it since they own it but I completely disagree with the direction is all I'm saying.

Know who else did that?

James Cameron when he made Aliens. Other than the window dressing, Aliens is completely different to Alien in tone, location, plot and pacing.

If you hate Max Payne 3's direction without playing the game then you hate Aliens and Jimmy C will cut off your air supply whilst filming an underwater scene for his new movie.

 

[hatchx]

If Rockstar can match the shooting and gunplay mechanics of Uncharted or dare I say Vanquish, AND build it within a GTA/LA-Noire open-world....color me excited.

The trailer doesn't show much, but Rockstar doesn't usually disappoint. This is coming from someone who really liked LA Noire.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Know who else did that?

James Cameron when he made Aliens. Other than the window dressing, Aliens is completely different to Alien in tone, location, plot and pacing.

If you hate Max Payne 3's direction without playing the game then you hate Aliens and Jimmy C will cut off your air supply whilst filming an underwater scene for his new movie.

I actually do know TONS of people who think Aliens is vastly inferior to the original for that very reason. I like the movie, but you can definitely see where they're coming from.

 

[dejan]

Pretty disappointing for a R* trailer.

 

[zkylon]

Lacks dark and gritty Max Payne poetry. Not like.

 

[Angry Fork]

Know who else did that?

James Cameron when he made Aliens. Other than the window dressing, Aliens is completely different to Alien in tone, location, plot and pacing.

If you hate Max Payne 3's direction without playing the game then you hate Aliens and Jimmy C will burn your house down.

I actually am kind of meh about Aliens to be honest, even though I know it's a blasphemous opinion (although I haven't seen it in a long time so I don't remember a lot of it). It's not a knock against Cameron though Terminator 2 is imo the best action movie ever made and I think he's great but I didn't like the action oriented feel of part 2.

Everything should be about nuance, atmosphere and slow creeping kind of elements with that franchise imo but then in part 2 you have Sigourney Weaver in a mech suit and while that may be awesome on it's own I didn't like it when compared to the first. Really hyped for Prometheus so people can see how atmospheric horror is done =P

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

If Rockstar can match the shooting and gunplay mechanics of Uncharted or dare I say Vanquish, AND build it within a GTA/LA-Noire open-world....color me excited.

The trailer doesn't show much, but Rockstar doesn't usually disappoint. This is coming from someone who really liked LA Noire.

It's a linear third person shooter like the previous games in the series.

I actually am kind of meh about Aliens to be honest, even though I know it's a blasphemous opinion (although I haven't seen it in a long time so I don't remember a lot of it). It's not a knock against Cameron though Terminator 2 is imo the best action movie ever made and I think he's great but I didn't like the action oriented feel of part 2.

Everything should be about nuance, atmosphere and slow creeping kind of elements with that franchise imo but then in part 2 you have Sigourney Weaver in a mech suit and while that may be awesome on it's own I didn't like it when compared to the first. Really hyped for Prometheus so people can see how atmospheric horror is done =P

Why can't you just love both, Angry Fork? Why!?

Spoiler

Prometheus will bring us to the promised land.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I appreciate so bad it's good pulp narration as much as anyone, but they kept him for OG fans, who will never be happy anyway, unless it's an HD remake.

I hate this kind of cop-out excuse. Look at Deus Ex for a proper way to change up a game from that era without upsetting a lot of the original fans.

 

[derFeef]

I hate this kind of cop-out excuse. Look at Deus Ex for a proper way to change up a game from that era without upsetting a lot of the original fans.

Yes, this is true.

 

[Suairyu]

I actually do know TONS of people who think Aliens is vastly inferior to the original for that very reason. I like the movie, but you can definitely see where they're coming from.

Oh absolutely, but no-one would ever say Aliens was a bad movie.

I think Alien >> Aliens, but you know what? I'm glad they're so different. I'm glad we have two talented filmmakers doing two different takes on the same concept. I wouldn't have wanted another Alien because what's the point? It's like people who go to watch a film adaptation of the book then complain it's different from the book. What would be the point if it was just the same?

I'm not saying Max Payne 3 is doing the 'different take on the same concept' thing well, I'm simply saying it's far too soon for anybody to judge its quality. Simply complaining because it is different is stupid.

 

[Data West]

I hate this kind of cop-out excuse. Look at Deus Ex for a proper way to change up a game from that era without upsetting a lot of the original fans.

Yeah. Look at Deus Ex

Look at how much original fans hated it originally.