Much as I want to hate on the game for how it looks, this is the truth right here. A lot of neo-noir is incredibly colorful and uses settings like this. Try and tell me that movies like Reservoir Dogs and Red Rock West aren't examples of noir tropes taken out of the gritty, dark urban space.Zeliard said:I don't know why so many people are against this. Let the character and the series evolve a bit. I don't see how yet another bullet-time shooter set in a dark metropolitan city is so much more preferable that it makes this something abhorrent.
The most important aspects of anything noir are the plot structure, the characters and the dialogue, even moreso than the visual style. The single strongest element to any powerful noir creation is found in its themes.
If this truly isn't a Max Payne game, it won't be because of how it looks - it'll be because of how it plays out.
Oh, so you've played the game, seen the story and dialogue and cutscenes, and know everything there is to know about how it all comes together, right?kittoo said:No, Rockstar, no. Go play Max payne first and understand what made it great. It just doesnt have the soul of max payne.
NullPointer said:mighty_ you are my new favoritest person.
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I AM JOHN! said:Oh, so you've played the game, seen the story and dialogue and cutscenes, and know everything there is to know about how it all comes together, right?
Maybe you should go and play Max Payne again. The game was more than just a dude in a trenchcoat wandering around grimy hallways.
Cat in the Hat said:Explain. Since you know. It's like some of you have the design document.
O I C you work for Rockstar. You have actually seen it in motion to be able to comment on the gameplay. Wow what an honor.Solo said:I dont know why Im wasting the keystrokes on a guy with a MAX PAYNE 3 avatar, but its pretty obvious. The art design couldnt be any less Max Payne, nor could the setting or character design. Gameplay looks like GTAIV (which in turn is a low grade Gears), complete with cover system and all that shit. Max Payne is pulpy, noir-esque stuff with gritty settings and bullet time. This thing looks like GTA and Splinter Cell: Conviction (the aborted version) had a lovechild. Yuck.
LM4sure said:when did max payne become black??
Cold-Steel said:bad day for milk pic
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Cat in the Hat said:O I C you work for Rockstar. You have actually seen it in motion to be able to comment on the gameplay. Wow what an honor.
How is "generic beefed up bald marine" as Max any worse than "generic hard-boiled cop in a trenchcoat" as Max? The Max Payne games had excellent stories and writings - some of the best in any game ever created - but let's not kid ourselves here. Nothing about the character or the setting were in any way special or unique.kittoo said:Its not about the grim hallways only. Do you really see this generic 'beefed up bald marine' as Max?
kittoo said:Its not about the grim hallways only. Do you really see this generic 'beefed up bald marine' as Max?
Any other insights into to gameplay or the story? no?Solo said:Yes, I work at Rockstar. And I can tell you that this is Max Payne in name only. We thank you for your $60, though.
Solo said:Gameplay looks like GTAIV (which in turn is a low grade Gears), complete with cover system and all that shit.
permutated said:It's Max Payne guys, it's going to be fucking awesome.
Cat in the Hat said:O I C you work for Rockstar. You have actually seen it in motion to be able to comment on the gameplay. Wow what an honor.
Cat in the Hat said:Explain. Since you know. It's like some of you have the design document.
I AM JOHN! said:but let's not kid ourselves here. Nothing about the character or the setting were in any way special or unique.
Fixed.Guybrush Threepwood said:Gears of Splinter Cell 3: Uncharted 2 - Resident Evil HD Remix
I'm not really seeing how saying that we should wait for them to talk more about THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE GAME AND WHAT WILL BE MORE TELLING OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS MAX PAYNE IN NAME ONLY before writing Max Payne 3 off as a failure, as most people in this thread are being quick to do, is being anything but rational.Kifimbo said:Some people defending the game sure sound like people working for Rockstar.
"Wait until you see this, wait until you hear more about the story, the gameplay."
I completely agree with you, and it's part of why I think the first two Max Paynes are brilliant. But not only does this not change the fact that "gritty, empty, desolate New York" is not a unique setting for a noir story, it does not mean that Max Payne 3 cannot do the same thing in where it takes place.B_Rik_Schitthaus said:I all ways felt MP had a great sense of place,
The game would often take you around lots of places in the city that all felt like they where used and where connected to all the other places you have been.
Cat in the Hat said:Any other insights into to gameplay or the story? no?
Be realistic. There's nothing that is going to turn this shitfest around. What you see is what you get.I AM JOHN! said:I'm not really seeing how saying that we should wait for them to talk more about THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE GAME AND WHAT WILL BE MORE TELLING OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS MAX PAYNE IN NAME ONLY before writing Max Payne 3 off as a failure, as most people in this thread are being quick to do, is being anything but rational.
Christ, I'd hate to have seen what this place was like when Old Snake was revealed.
Solo said:Gameplay will be a Gears clone with maybe bullet time thrown in, and the story will be some "Academy Award calibre" bullshit from Rockstar.
Christ, I'd hate to have seen what this place was like when Old Snake was revealed.
I AM JOHN! said:Christ, I'd hate to have seen what this place was like whenOld SnakeShadowrun was revealed.
I AM JOHN! said:Christ, I'd hate to have seen what this place was like when Old Snake was revealed.
ZombieSupaStar said:alan wake played alot like max payne to me (at least from the e3 demo) it even had bullet time :lol .
and i hope it is moddable!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJIeGY0LZ4&fmt=18
What the hell? This is entirely different from the inclusion of Old Snake, which made perfect sense and meshed well with the storyline of the series. The reason I'm turned off by Max Payne 3 has nothing to do with the fact that Max is balding. The setting is the complete opposite of noir, Max is now sporting a tanktop and sweatpants, and they've shown absolutely nothing that seems to be in line with the theme of the series. Sure, gameplay should be in constant evolution or at least refinement, but when you strip a title of all of its character and fashion it into a amalgam of shit then you have a problem.Kintaro said:Old Snake was accepted with open arms.
I'll give this a chance, but it's already marked down as a renter just because of the change in devs (no, I'm not automatically accepting of Rockstar). I don't mind the Old Pops Max.
Alan Wake looks generic? I can't think of any game made in the past few years that resembles its setting.Druz said:Probably not as much since it's likely to be a console game first PC second... another reason to look so generic.
Druz said:Probably not as much since it's likely to be a console game first PC second... another reason to look so generic.