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But Hillary was?
TheOfficeMut
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Are you oblivious to statistics, reality and the like? This blind optimism is really unhealthy.
If Bernie weren't such a bullshitter by saying and proudly boasting about running a positive campaign, I don't think people would be so down and hard on him.
He's shown himself to be a typical politician, and that he's isn't above it all, after all! When push came to shove, he took the low road.
He's shown himself to be a typical politician, and that he's isn't above it all, after all! When push came to shove, he took the low road.
He likes winning with women. Also people bring up the fact he speaks like he's talking to a 5th grade class, it's kind of a scary clever move. He's talking at the level of your average Joe six pack to get them to relate. It's easy for us to mock but resonates with a large portion of the country. Maybe I'm over thinking it, but that speaking style seems planned and with a reason.
It won't be her, but sure OK 😺Oh good, as long as you vote Hillary in Nov
Because he's controversial and that brings in clicks for them.
Puppet Shadow
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You're not thinking it through. Lets say the RNC decide to do this, maybe going with Bush or Rubio as their nominee. Trump would announce he's running as an independant because the republican party stole his nominee. And, most people would agree with him that it was stolen.
The republicans would be decimated in the election because most Trump supporters would still vote Trump, diehard republicans would vote for the usurper, but a lot of 'lite' republicans, undecided and independant voters would vote for the democrats, or not vote all. This would be the RNC's worst nightmare. Their party would not just lose a ton of votes, but a shitload of respect.
That's not true. Maybe they haven't been spreading Sanders exact message, but there have been many candidates that ran on very important platforms that have had to drop out before going all the way. In fact, very, very, very few candidates do go all the way to the convention. I don't see how Sanders should be any different.
Prodigal Son
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You should get over it, man. I'm not the one struggling to accept an uncomfortable reality. The reality is that he's in it til the convention. Why? To spread his message.
Perhaps they didn't have a constant supply of record-breaking financial support from individual donors who also wanted to see them get their message out?
Dangansona
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I think they've absolutely been against him. The coverage has always been "look how crazy this guy is." The sad thing is while they have been doing that they are giving him a ludicrous amount of air time and the "no such thing as bad publicly" mantra has proven true.
Big Baybee
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No?
Melkezadek
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That's true, but accusations and insinuation without evidence is just damaging.
Are you not paying attention to the facts? She's not entitled. She's winning and she earned the right to win. There's a difference and I'm disturbed that you can't seem to see this. Why is this so hard to understand? Are you in denial?
Long shot is a kind way of putting it. He needs to make her non viable in California, and Bernie doesn't particularly do well with minorities. He is not going to win California 70-30. It's not going to happen, and no amount of wishing will make it happen.
Congrats to Bernie he has the support of the weakest voting block in the U.S.
I don't think anyone thinks that Hillary is "entitled the presidency". But a lot of us are voting for her because, frankly, it would be hugely against our own self-interests and beliefs to not do so. If your views on global warming, campaign finance reform, affordable college, the minimum wage, health care, immigration, minority and LGBT rights, gun violence, women's issues, voting rights, and worker's rights are more closely aligned with her than they are with Trump, then it would be harmful to yourself to not vote for her.
Hillary doesn't have to "earn" my vote. This isn't about her. This is about me and the people I care about. That's why I'm voting for her.
GAF has a lot of diverse opinions, but I don't think it would be a stretch to say that most people on here think the Sanders' campaigns word choice surrounding the issue was reprehensible.
The question you should ask is "how do I get me some of that optimism"
Oh good, as long as you vote Hillary in Nov
Pretty sure he's only still doing the 'Bernie can win!' stuff because he knows it annoys Hillary supporters. It's kinda funny how people keep falling for it, I must admit.
The same message he has been spouting since he started running. He is not saying anything new that people have not already heard him say already.
The question you should ask is "how do I get me some of that optimism"
No, it isn't, because you shouldn't go through life ignoring the overwhelming reality.
I think he's genuine, you look on Twitter and there are thousands of them that really think he can do it. Ha
Oh? Didn't she 'drag' it out until June?
Primethius
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The question you should ask is "how do I get me some of that optimism"
It's not really optimism at this point.
But I guess Hillarys going to get convicted any day now.
jack_package_200
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At this point, Hillary is getting the nomination. Doing the "corporate democratic
shill" schtick is not only not gonna help him win, it hurts her in the general. If Bernie actually cared about any of those "progressive values" of his, he would be doing everything in his power to ensure Trump won't get the Presidency. He would be helping with the downticket.
This is key
Over 300 is close?
whore
This is key
Over 300 is close?
I believe there's still a chance, that's all!
Big Baybee
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Didn't she get shit on constantly as well? The answer is yes, she did.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Did you look at the margin differences between that election and this one?
Nope, not close at all. Especially compared to 08
TheOfficeMut
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The question you should ask is "how do I get me some of that optimism"
If you're implying that I have less optimism about Hillary winning the nomination, then you're wrong. My optimism for Hillary positively correlates with the fact that she's getting nominated, that's it. Bernie is drawing out his inevitable loss.
SubScorpianZero
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Hillary vs Trump will be much closer in the GE than most people would like to believe.
She is just too political, you can sense every single word out of her mouth is a calculated move, it's off putting.
The dems will have a low turnout this election unless something changes, if Trump can bring out the Republicans along with some of the independent voters, he could win this...
She is just too political, you can sense every single word out of her mouth is a calculated move, it's off putting.
The dems will have a low turnout this election unless something changes, if Trump can bring out the Republicans along with some of the independent voters, he could win this...
No, it isn't. Not even remotely close.
Claiming on your campaign website that Hillary Clinton is involved in a money laundering scheme (which is a crime) for LEGALLY raising money with the DNC is not scrutiny and criticism. It's lies and misdirection. It's a blatant attempt to win a primary you've already thoroughly lost by slandering your opponent and poisoning the well against them. That was cute when the GOP was in shambles, but as sure as the sky is blue, by this time tomorrow all traces of disarray will be swept under the nearest TRUMP rug and the GOP will be united in its mission to bring Hillary down.
Bernie's tactics are no longer cute.
eBay Huckster
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just looking at pledged delegates, al gore is the only democratic non-incumbent presidential candidate to ever clinch a majority without superdelegates
And by then enough white middle aged independents will have their heads filled with a double helping of isolationist change for the sake of change bullshit to put the general in serious doubt.
Hell, we're probably at that point already. Thanks Bernie.
Velcro Fly
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Comparing this to 2008 is laughable.
It isn't even close to 2008.
Imagine if she wanted to pull a Donald Trump and be completely nasty to someone staying in the race when they have basically no chance.
His campaign accused her of money laundering this week. Is that his message? He says it will be a contested convention. Will it really be contested? When she wins more states and more votes, the superdelegates will be hers. Is that really contested? It isn't.
His message is out there. I highly doubt anyone hasn't heard it by now. He needs to dial it back and bow out gracefully.
It isn't even close to 2008.
Imagine if she wanted to pull a Donald Trump and be completely nasty to someone staying in the race when they have basically no chance.
His campaign accused her of money laundering this week. Is that his message? He says it will be a contested convention. Will it really be contested? When she wins more states and more votes, the superdelegates will be hers. Is that really contested? It isn't.
His message is out there. I highly doubt anyone hasn't heard it by now. He needs to dial it back and bow out gracefully.
Not when delegates are given out proportionally.
maabus1999
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What? No...It is over 5 x the difference Clinton/Obama was...and most likely will get bigger (slightly) by the end if you go by polling in the remaining primaries.
Prodigal Son
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Do you really think everyone has heard his message? All the potential voters in upcoming states?
Of course you don't. Why do you think people campaign? Spend money on ads like they do? It's to get their message out. Knowing of Bernie Sanders doesn't mean you know about how his platform would affect your life personality.
EDIT: I also love the idea of a consistent message somehow being a bad thing. Lol alright.
The margins being larger should make his continued run much less impactful, yes?
My favorite part of the Sanders bullshit so far is how quick he brought out the dog whistle to explain away his loses in the southern states. His supporters ate that shit hook, line, and sinker too which was the most depressing part.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
suprised you guys havent' post this pretty map yet
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Surprised you are still getting away with drive by posting.
suprised you guys havent' post this pretty map yet
It's like gloating about winning a battle but having already lost the war haha, so ridiculous. You're embarrassing yourself.
2008 was a lot closer than this. And McCain was no Trump.
Not true, he only needs to win California 65-35 as long as he hits all these remaining targets.
It's not at all. Bernie would have to get 80%+ in all remaining states to even catch up. Not happening...
Maybe not, but she has earned the nomination by winning more delegates.
suprised you guys havent' post this pretty map yet
[IMGm]http://i.imgur.com/5a42ARw.png[/IMG]
Outscored them by 15 in the 4th quarter, lost by 50.
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