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May U.S. Primaries |OT| Glory to America

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norm9

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He has always been an ideologue more concerned with his message and his platform than actually doing something positive for this country. There was a narrow window when the two coincided and instead of building on that he got drunk on the chance he might get the nom, turning negative in the process but achieving even less after doing so.

Yeah, that sweet elixir of power will fuck your shit up if you're not focused.

Killer Mike and applause at Coachella among other things scrambled his brain.
 
"I have no problem with millions of potential democratic voters being unable to participate in the democratic process because of a statistically small number of republican voters who will vote for a democratic candidate who I do not support if given the opportunity."




Your sarcasm hurts, man. I thought it was okay...

Well technically now that Trump is going to win, every Republican in every open primary state could switch and vote in the Democratic one. All of em.

Also if they are potentially democratic voters why aren't they registered.

If a state chooses to limit their primaries to registered Democrats only I'm fine with that, now but but NY I'm sure you'll shout, and I agree with you there that change over date should have been much closer to the primary instead of back in October (which was there because NY used o be much earlier on the schedule).

For curiosity what;s your thoughts on Caucuses?
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Now that the RNC is uniting behind Trump the idea of Sanders flipping Super Delegates is even more absurd.
 

Merc_

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CNN guy is struggling to show how Trump could win in November.

You have to come up with some Unicorn style scenarios for Trump to win.

Yep. I still haven't heard from Trump supporters how he's suppose to win when he does terribly with every non white male group.
 
IT IS MAY AND HE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF HIS MESSAGE BY GOING TO THE CONVENTION BEING IN SECOND PLACE AKA BEING A LOSER

How hard is it to understand? It's futile for Bernie or Hillary for there to be convention drama while the GOP falls in line for Trump.

Caps doesn't make you any less wrong.

You even find posts here about people getting excited for Bernie to drop out so that he becomes 'irrelevant.' When Bernie is irrelevant, so is his message.
 
People expected either a contested convention or for Trump to only get the nomination after California. Now that Cruz is out, Trump is now ALREADY the nominee. Things changed!
Exactly. That Ted Cruz of all people seems to have come to understand this and Sanders either doesn't or just doesn't care is baffling.
 

royalan

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Well technically now that Trump is going to win, every Republican in every open primary state could switch and vote in the Democratic one. All of em.

Also if they are potentially democratic voters why aren't they registered.

If a state chooses to limit their primaries to registered Democrats only I'm fine with that, now but but NY I'm sure you'll shout, and I agree with you there that change over date should have been much closer to the primary instead of back in October (which was there because NY used o be much earlier on the schedule).

For curiosity what;s your thoughts on Caucuses?

I didn't even think about this.

What are the chances of Republicans uniting to fuck shit up in open primaries now that their race is done?
 

chadskin

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That devilish smile
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
I didn't even think about this.

What are the chances of Republicans uniting to fuck shit up in open primaries now that their race is done?

Thankfully California and New Jersey aren't open.

I think there are only 4 states/territories left with open primaries.
 
Well technically now that Trump is going to win, every Republican in every open primary state could switch and vote in the Democratic one. All of em.

Also if they are potentially democratic voters why aren't they registered.

If a state chooses to limit their primaries to registered Democrats only I'm fine with that, now but but NY I'm sure you'll shout, and I agree with you there that change over date should have been much closer to the primary instead of back in October (which was there because NY used o be much earlier on the schedule).

For curiosity what;s your thoughts on Caucuses?

As bad for democracy as closed primaries.
 

ant1532

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CNN guy is struggling to show how Trump could win in November.

You have to come up with some Unicorn style scenarios for Trump to win.

Same unicorn style scenerios you would have said 2 years ago at the idea of Trump winning the GOP nomination...


scary
 

E92 M3

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Okay, guys. I just didn't like how he made Clinton to be some angel. Storing classified information on private servers is a huge security breach, but I guess that's not a big deal to the general public.

Clinton isn't infallible. The GE will be very interesting.
 

Trouble

Banned
Okay, guys. I just didn't like how he made Clinton to be some angel. Storing classified information on private servers is a huge security breach, but I guess that's not a big deal to the general public.

Clinton isn't infallible. The GE will be very interesting.

I guess it's a good thing that never happened.
 

XBP

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Not true, he only needs to win California 65-35 as long as he hits all these remaining targets.

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Even he doesn't believe that he'll get the majority of the delegates. For a while he's been talking about going to the convention and convincing the supers to help him win the nomination. The likelihood of that is very very low. They're not going to move to bernie with hillary leading in the popular vote + delegates. If they didn't help her in 08, I doubt they'll help bernie now.

I think he knows that he cant get the nomination right now but believes that everyone in the country should have their say in the primary process and wants to go to the convention to spread his message.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Okay, guys. I just didn't like how he made Clinton to be some angel. Storing classified information on private servers is a huge security breach, but I guess that's not a big deal to the general public.

Clinton isn't infallible. The GE will be very interesting.

Except, that never happened. You should provide proof for such an accusation.
 

Diablos

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Caps doesn't make you any less wrong.

You even find posts here about people getting excited for Bernie to drop out so that he becomes 'irrelevant.' When Bernie is irrelevant, so is his message.
You're like an evangelist at the Bernie church. Primaries are not purely about message but how you translate that into votes and win. He's. Not. Winning. He can't win. It's impossible. He can't just beat his chest over message and turnout when he's LOSING and think that validates his agenda.
 
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That devilish smile

Coming from a person who stated that will do everything in their power to stop Trump from becoming president, how does forcing Hilary to fight Trump (and the whole GOP) AND someone with no chance to win the Dem nominee outside of landslide blowouts accomplish stopping Trump? I just don't get it.
 
I can't prove it, but I feel there's a correlation between Sanders's defeats and r/DonaldTrump's popularity.

That sub Reddit never used to track until about month and a half ago and now it's front page more than the Sanders sub. I don't get it. Is it a joke?
 

Irnbru

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Just goes to show you that Bernie has a message we can really believe in. It's why he's held on for so long in this race.

His message has no basis in reality. Free college paid for by the states and healthcare by a "tax" on Wall Street. But hey, you keep on believe in false promises. As a finance professional the math doesn't add up.

Also: Berns will be Dukakied so hard when the GOP superPAC machine gets its engine rolling.
 

royalan

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I can't believe that cluster fuck GOP nom is going to be officially wrapped up before the Dems. What a shit show.

Going to be? It IS wrapped. By this time tomorrow all the talk of a possible contested convention with be fairy tale. Never underestimate the GOP's ability to quickly fall in line.

I can head the PACs revving their engines now. Lol
 

E92 M3

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I guess it's a good thing that never happened.

Except, that never happened. You should provide proof for such an accusation.

The whole premise was she communicated via her own servers.

At the end of the day, I want both candidates to fight hard for the presidency. No one is entitled to the win and my only concern is about bring the discussion back to America and the people.
 
You're like an evangelist at the Bernie church. Primaries are not purely about message but how you translate that into votes and win. He's. Not. Winning. He can't win. It's impossible. He can't just beat his chest over message and turnout when he's LOSING and think that validates his agenda.

Never said he can or will win?

The very fact that increasingly large numbers of (young) people want to win does well for the future of the democratic party and American liberalism.

Also thanks for comparing me to an evangelist though. I'm devastated. Really, I am.
 

Valhelm

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He has always been an ideologue more concerned with his message and his platform than actually doing something positive for this country. There was a narrow window when the two coincided and instead of building on that he got drunk on the chance he might get the nom, turning negative in the process but achieving even less after doing so.

I think Bernie was always planning on making it to the convention, but he didn't expect to do so with so many loyal supporters and donors. While it's probably better for Bernie to drop out at this point, his main goal is and has been promoting his humanistic viewpoints. He's promising a fundamentally different vision for the future of America, which replaces our traditional neoliberalism with a more European system that pays specific attention to the needs of the powerless. Bernie Sanders is hardly a perfect candidate, and it's unlikely that his vision of a social democratic America could be created within his four or eight years as president. But despite all this, Sanders has put these issues on the table, swinging the American political discussion to the furthest left it's been since FDR. In addition, his image as an honest outsider has garnered a huge amount of support among people who would otherwise never support a self-declared socialist.

Bernie Sanders almost certainly will not be nominated, but because he still has the support of so many eager voters, he's unwilling to give up this opportunity to promote his own views. Hillary's slow shift on the left, such as her changing attitudes toward minimum wage, is also encouraging him to stay in.
 
This is stupid. Hillary isn't entitled to the presidency.

No but she has you know won the most delegates by a large number, has made it all but mathematically impossible for Sanders to beat her aka earned it and thus will be the person that can prevent President Trump.
 

Maxim726X

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I like Bernie, I really do, but it's tough right now to feel rosey about Trump coasting for a couple months while Dems continue arguing.

Yep.

But again, it's not his party and he clearly doesn't give a shit. This is his last rodeo anyway.

At this point, I'm not sure he'll even endorse Her in June.
 

Elandyll

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Now Trump and every Republican save a few #NeverTrump people turn toward the general and go fully nuclear on Clinton, helped by ... Sanders' own lines and probable continued attacks on Clinton who is ahead by every metric and is 99% chance future nominee.

Every head in the Dem party just turned towards Sanders with Cruz bailing out.

Your move Bernie. Show us how much you care about seeing a progressive in the White House (to be clear, he can stay in the race if he wants, although that would only achieve diverting donations away, not towards, fighting Reps, he just needs to tone the rhetoric way down and talk strictly about issues).
 
Well, no. They're very different scenarios. The demographics involved are completely different.

Yup. I couldn't have told you 18 months ago Donald Trump could be the Republican nominee. But, I could've told you that a populist hardliner on immigration who was more obviously racist that promised to protect "earned" benefits could do quite well in the GOP primary.

I just didn't realize how bad the rest of the GOP were when it came to being candidates. I got blinded by the 2010 and 2014 waves.
 

norm9

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His message has no basis in reality. Free college paid for by the states and healthcare by a "tax" on Wall Street. But hey, you keep on believe in false promises. As a finance professional the math doesn't add up.

He won tonight. So the message, no matter how confused and inverse to reality as it is, is getting some people interested.

He should definitely drop out, but he's got that taste of celebrity, so personally, I don't blame him.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The whole premise was she communicated via her own servers.

At the end of the day, I want both candidates to fight hard for the presidency. No one is entitled to the win and my only concern is about bring the discussion back to America and the people.

Of course, but the confidential information was sent via other means.
A few emails were post classified, by methods that are not in agreement by various agencies.
 

Velcro Fly

Member
Relax guys.

I'm mostly kidding.

Bernie being the nominee at this point will have nothing to do with him staying in the race.
 
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