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[Herb Alpert]

SMT Switch is multiplatform ?

it has been qualified by Atlus as a "HD game", iirc. Not a "switch exclusive". This is a guess, but it makes sense.

Spoiler

can't wait for the "SMT5 is held back by switch, why is it not PS4 exclusive" threads

 

[Nirolak]

SMT Switch is multiplatform ?

It's speculated because the website lists "SMT, 3DS Game" and "SMT, HD Game" on the same page.

It's kind of weird to list the platform for one and not the other if it's Switch exclusive.

That said, I don't think Atlus has said either way.

 

[LordKano]

It's not, I believe the Switch and 3DS SMT are different games.

We don't know. The only hint is that it's called an "HD" prorject alongside the 3DS game specified as a "3DS" project on their website.

Folks take that to mean it's likely PS4-bound also. It could very well be Switch-exclusive, we don't know.

it has been qualified by Atlus as a "HD game", iirc. Not a "switch exclusive". This is a guess, but it makes sense.

Spoiler

can't wait for the "SMT5 is held back by switch, why is it not PS4 exclusive"

Uh yeah, I also think that it's probably coming to PS4 too if only because of the "HD" mention, but it hasn't been announced in any way as a multiplatform game, so for now it shouldn't be counted as one.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Uh yeah, I also think that it's probably coming to PS4 too if only because of the "HD" mention, but it hasn't been announced in any way as a multiplatform game, so for now it shouldn't be counted as one.

too late. SMT is multiplat, monster hunter too, RE or KH won't ever come, Pack it up guys, we're done here. there is only room for the PS4.


On topic, I hope Nintendo and/or third parties communicate in the coming weeks, They have to dissipate doubts. And Zelda won't carry the thing forever.
IMO, and provided they have enough to show, they should do a "third party direct". Their indie direct was a blast.

 

[cw_sasuke]

So this is it? After 3 weeks and what can be considered as a successful launch, switch is already considered a wasted cause by some of the most optimistic and enthusiast GAFers when it comes to Nintendo?

Well, I guess it had a good run. :^)

I would say that boredom is the no1 source of this argument - people being worried for the sake of being worried two weeks in. Cant wait for some entering full on Diva Mode once the system actually starts having lower sales - should be fun.

Switch massively under performing and devs being happy with the PS4/PSV eco system for the future is the only way i could see a WiiU situation repeating.

 

[Oregano]

I see other people have covered SMT.

Does anyone have the list of unreleased Japanese third party games slated for Vita and/or PS4 in 2017?

I think that's also a list worth comparing to since the odds of getting Switch third party exclusives when the Switch has above 360/PS3 level hardware are low, meaning they're also the list of games that were candidates for a Switch release.

By no means a comprehensive list(trying to just think of stuff that would be within Switch's grasp):

Blue Reflection
Musou Stars
Fire Pro
FFXII remaster
Zero Escape: Nonary Games
Sen no Kiseki 3
Resident Evil Revelations HD(lol)
Dat weird crossover Virtual On(2018 game for Vita!)
Omega Labyrinth Z
Exile Election
Itadaki Street(this one seems really egregious)

 

[Herb Alpert]

I would say that boredom is the no1 source of this argument - people being worried for the sake of being worried two weeks in. Cant wait for some entering full on Diva Mode once the system actually starts having lower sales - should be fun.

Switch massively under performing and devs being happy with the PS4/PSV eco system for the future is the only way i could see a WiiU situation repeating.

prepare for the accurate sales numbers of doom

Honestly, and I know nothing can be extrapolate from launch numbers, see WiiU yada yada, but I can't imagine Switch doing WiiU numbers. Let's be honest, WiiU was a flawed unappealing product, period. Switch may have its flaws, but they are not as endogenous as WiiU's ones.
Now WiiU let a mighty bad taste in a lot of third party devs, and that's probably the reason why they are so scarce this time. let's see how things will pan out in the next 2 months. By E3, some devs could consider that finally their coming game could benefit from a switch port.


edit :

Oregano uses list
it's super effective!
switch is dead


come on, since you've woken up, you have been spreading negativity about this damn thing...

 

[schuelma]

SMT is multiplatform and even if wasn't SMT and Octopath Traveler aren't close to comparable to Resident Evil or Kingdom Hearts. As for Tales we don't even know what they have planned(if it ever materializes), it might not even end up as significant as Tales of the Abyss 3D.

I dunno- maybe I'm missing some data, but after a quick look it appears that RE Revelations, KH 3DS, SMT IV, and Bravely Default (if someone has a better comparison for octopath traveler I'm all ears) all sold pretty similar in Japan.

 

[Oregano]

I dunno- maybe I'm missing some data, but after a quick look it appears that RE Revelations, KH 3DS, SMT IV, and Bravely Default (if someone has a better comparison for octopath traveler I'm all ears) all sold pretty similar in Japan.

That's because Revelations and Kingdom Hearts both underperformed(especially KH3D) vs SMTIV doing quite well and Bravely Default massively overperforming. As shows of support the formers are much more significant.

Octopath Travellers won't perform anywhere close to BDFF and looks lower budget too.

 

[ZSaberLink]

For the veteran Sales-Agers, what exactly happened with Sonic's popularity in Japan?

How did it go from this:
DC Sonic Adventure 2 84.508 108.480 SEGA 6/23/2001
GBA Sonic Advance 38.454 204.542 SEGA 12/20/2001
NGC Sonic Adventure 2: Battle 30.295 192.186 SEGA 12/20/2001
GBA Sonic Advance 2 28.974 176.541 SEGA 12/19/2002

to this in such a short timeframe:
GBA Sonic Advance 3 6.732 42.574 SEGA 6/17/2004
NDS Sonic Rush 3.536 3.536 SEGA 11/23/2005
PS3 Sonic the Hedgehog 9.770 30.390 SEGA 12/21/2006
360 Sonic the Hedgehog 3.625 6.647 SEGA 12/21/2006
WII Sonic and the Secret Rings 9.353 30.563 SEGA 3/15/2007
NDS Sonic Rush Adventure 2.545 2.545 SEGA 10/18/2007

It seems like even the good Sonic games (not counting Mario & Sonic obviously) sell like 30K max in Japan now.

Also how has Lego never seemed to catch on in Japan? Lego City Undercover did relatively well (74K Wii U, 58K 3DS), which seems to show some potential (perhaps thanks to Nintendo's marketing?), but seemingly none of the other games seem to sell.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Monster Hunter is the special one ,Capcom would take it more seriously,profit of all 6 titles you list add up might be less than MH5

Pretty sure RE is more important.

How so?

 

[Eolz]

I see other people have covered SMT.



By no means a comprehensive list(trying to just think of stuff that would be within Switch's grasp):

Blue Reflection
Musou Stars
Fire Pro
FFXII remaster
Zero Escape: Nonary Games
Sen no Kiseki 3
Resident Evil Revelations HD(lol)
Dat weird crossover Virtual On(2018 game for Vita!)
Omega Labyrinth Z
Exile Election
Itadaki Street(this one seems really egregious)

I think of those were not going to happen anyway (just like some PS3 ports weren't happening while the PS4 was out), but yeah, I was a bit surprised by Musou Stars and Fire Pro not being for Switch at least.
Especially the former, since it's basically the new Warriors Orochi, would have made a lot of sense.

 

[thestopsign]

How so?

On a world wide basis, I would say he is correct.

 

[Kresnik258]

Since we've talked so much about third party announcements before and after launch, actual releases and such, I've decided to create two posts where we set the records clear on different points of discussion

MGS and ZOE HD Collections were also announced at Sony's pre-TGS conference 2011 for Vita.

Does anyone have the list of unreleased Japanese third party games slated for Vita and/or PS4 in 2017?

I think that's also a list worth comparing to since the odds of getting Switch third party exclusives when the Switch has above 360/PS3 level hardware are low, meaning they're also the list of games that were candidates for a Switch release.

Vita's last somewhat notable title for Japan, that I can see at least, is going to be Accel World vs. SAO this week (and that may struggle to crack 100k LTD).

There's nothing else upcoming that's really going to get any major sales, that I can see. Itadaki Street maybe, but the PSP game didn't do that great (however, I can easily see that title coming to Switch).

Plenty of stuff from the usual niche crowd though (AquaPlus/Compile Heart/Gust etc.), though I would be surprises if any of the games from those companies came to Switch at this time.

 

[schuelma]

That's because Revelations and Kingdom Hearts both underperformed(especially KH3D) vs SMTIV doing quite well and Bravely Default massively overperforming. As shows of support the formers are much more significant.

Octopath Travellers won't perform anywhere close to BDFF and looks lower budget too.

Lol. Of course. It couldn't be that the games you used to prove your point weren't quite as impactful as you made it seem. And I love the certainty regarding OT.

 

[Chris1964]

I don't know why you keep arguing for software support of a system that will be delayed to holidays. There is still plenty of time.

 

[Hero of Legend]

I decided to do an extensive comparison of HW between Switch and Wii U over 15 weeks post launch:

Switch {2017.03.03, Week 9}

Media Create:

1(9). 329.152
2(10). 61.998 / 391.150

Famitsu:

1(9). 330.637
2(10). 63.420 / 394.057

3DS {2011.02.26, Week 8}

Media Create:

1(8). 374.764
2(9). 209.623 / 584.387
3(10). 96.463 / 680.850
4(11). 61.394 / 742.244
5(12). 50.710 / 792.954
6(13). 42.979 / 835.933
7(14). 32.910 / 868.843
8(15). 28.252 / 897.095
9(16). 23.038 / 920.133
10(17). 28.413 / 948.546
11(18). 29.149 / 977.695
12(19). 18.324 / 996.019
13(20). 17.240 / 1.013.259
14(21). 24.283 / 1.037.542
15(22). 27.357 / 1.064.899

Famitsu: N/A

Wii U {2012.12.08, Week 49}

Media Create:

1(49). 308.142
2(50). 126.916 / 435.058
3(51). 122.843 / 557.901
4(52). 69,386 / 627,287
5(1). 67.083 / 694.370
6(2). 20.715 / 715.085
7(3). 16.654 / 731.739
8(4). 13.746 / 745.485
9(5). 12.959 / 758.444
10(6). 12.185 / 770.629
11(7). 10.744 / 781.373
12(8). 9.633 / 791.006
13(9). 10.021 / 801.027
14(10). 9.454 / 810.481
15(11). 9.539 / 820.020

Famitsu:

1(49). 308.570
2(50). 130.653 / 439.223
3(51). 122.356 / 561.579
4(52). 76,760 / 638,339
5(1). 70.662 / 709.001
6(2). 21.489 / 730.490
7(3). 16.635 / 747.125
8(4). 12.335 / 759.460
9(5). 11.714 / 771.174
10(6). 11.092 / 782.266
11(7). 10.167 / 792.433
12(8). 9.495 / 801.928
13(9). 9.528 / 811.456
14(10). 9.089 / 820.545
15(11). 8.567 / 829.112

That should be our reference to see how Switch is progressing over the next couple months. Things got disastrous for Wii U by its 12th week (or Week 8 in 2013), not long before this period today.

 

[Chris1964]

I decided to do an extensive comparison of HW between Switch and Wii U over 15 weeks post launch:

3DS is the proper comparison, not Wii U.

 

[Hero of Legend]

3DS is the proper comparison, not Wii U.

That too, but it's sort of a "low-end" comparison.

 

[Mpl90]

Here's the subsequent post, with the second criteria

2) Releases by Japanese publishers / developers from the launch to the console's first Holiday (in case of an Holiday release, the subsequent one)

Nintendo 3DS

Launch - February 26th, 2011

Bust-a-Move Universe (Square Enix)
Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle (Level 5)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami)
Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco)
Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo)
Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition (Capcom)

March 3rd, 2011

Mahjong Cub3d (Sunsoft)
Super Monkey Ball 3D (SEGA)

March 26th, 2011

Gundam The 3D Battle (Bandai Namco)

March 31st, 2011

Blazblue Continuum Shift II (Arc System Works)
Naruto Shippuden 3D: The New Era (Takara Tomy)
Pro Yakyuu Famista 2011 (Banda Namco)

April 7th, 2011

Cubic Ninja (AQ Interactive)

April 14th, 2011

Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami)

April 28th, 2011

Deca Sports Extreme (Hudson)

May 19th, 2011

Dead or Alive Dimensions (Koei Tecmo)
Animal Resort: Doubutsuen wo Tsukurou! (Marvelous)

May 26th, 2011

One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP (Bandai Namco)

June 2nd, 2011

DualPenSports (Bandai Namco)
Sudoku to 3-Tsu no Puzzle: Nikoli no Puzzle VarietyJ (Hudson)
Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom)

June 23rd

Fish Eyes 3D (Marvelous)
Pac-Man & Galaga Dimensions (Bandai Namco)

June 30th

Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco)

July 7th, 2011

Class of Heroes 3Dx3D (Acquire)
Doctor Lautrec and the Forgotten Knights (Konami)

July 14th, 2011

Unchained Blades (FuRyu)

July 21st, 2011

Bikkuriman Kanjuku Haoh: Sanmi Douran Sensouki (NIS)
Ushimitsu Monstruo: Linze to Mahou no Rhythm (Natsume)

August 3rd

Nazo Waku Yakata: Oto no Ma ni Ma ni (Capcom)

September 1st, 2011

Devil Survivor: Overclocked (Atlus)

September 22nd, 2011

Frogger 3D (Konami)
Senran Kagura (Marvelous)

October 6th, 2011

Super Black Bass: 3D Fight (Starfish SD)

Octber 13th, 2011

Azito 3D (Hamster)

October 20th, 2011

Tetris: Axis (Bandai Namco)

October 27th, 2011

Brave Company (Bandai Namco)
Mameshiba (Columbia Company)

November 2nd, 2011

Slime MoriMori Dragon Quest 3: Daikaizoku to Shippo Dan (Square Enix)

November 3rd, 2011

Nicola Kanshuu: Model * Oshare Audition 2

November 24th, 2011

Hakuoki: Memories of the Shinsengumi (Idea Factory)

December 1st, 2011

Cooking Mama 4: Kitchen Magic (505)
Sonic Generations (SEGA)

December 8th, 2011

Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 3D (Konami)

December 10th, 2011

Monster Hunter 3G (Capcom)

December 15th, 2011

Inazuma Eleven GO: Light/Shadow (Level 5)
Moe Moe Daisensou Gendaiban 3D (SystemSoftAlpha)
Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-Kun Special (Arc System Works)
Puyo Puyo 15th Anniversary (SEGA)

December 22nd, 2011

SD Gundam G Generation 3D (Bandai Namco)

PlayStation Vita

Launch - December 17th, 2011

Army Corps of Hell (Square Enix)
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend (Arc System Works)
Disgaea 3 Return (NIS)
Dream Club Zero Portable (D3 Publisher)
Dynasty Warriors Next (Koei Tecmo)
Lord of Apocalypse (Square Enix)
Ridge Racer (Bandai Namco)
Shinobido 2: Tales of the Ninja (Spike Chunsoft)
Shin Kamaitachi no Yoru: 11 Ninme no Suspect (Spike Chunsoft)
Touch My Katamari (Bandai Namco)
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Capcom)

January 26th, 2012

Tales of Innocence R (Bandai Namco)

February 2nd, 2012

Ragnarok: Odyssey (GungHo)

February 9th, 2012

Sumioni: Demon Arts (Acquire)

February 16th, 2012

Virtue's Last Reward (Spike Chunsoft)

February 23rd, 2012

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus (Koei Tecmo)

March 22nd, 2012

Little Busters! Converted Edition (Prototype)

March 29th, 2012

Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 (Konami)
New Little King's Story (Konami)
Let's Fish! Hooked On (Kadokawa Games)

April 26th, 2012

Ciel Nosurge: Ushinawareta Hoshi e Sasagu Uta (Gust)

May 24th, 2012

Samurai & Dragons (SEGA)

June 7th, 2012

Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Battle Destiny (Bandai Namco)
Hello Kitty to Issho: Block Crash V (Dorasu)

June 14th, 2012

Persona 4: The Golden (Atlus)

June 28th, 2012

Metal Gear Solid HD Edition (Konami)

July 5th, 2012

Dokuro (GungHo)

July 12th, 2012

Time Travelers (Level 5)

July 19th, 2012

Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2012 (Konami)

August 9th, 2012

Ginsei Shogi: Kyōtendo Toufū Raijin (Silver Star)

August 23rd, 2012

Tokushu Houdoubu (NIS)

August 30th, 2012

Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f (SEGA)

September 27th, 2012

Ys: Foliage Ocean in Celceta (Falcom)
Earth Defense Force 3 Portable (D3 Publisher)
Nobunaga's Ambition: Way of Heaven with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo)
DJ Max Technika Tune (CyberFront)

October 18th, 2012

The Legend of Heroes: Zero no Kiseki Evolution (Falcom)
Little Battlers eXperience W (Level 5)

October 25th, 2012

Street Fighter X Tekken (Capcom)

November 29th, 2012

Fate/Stay Night -Realta Nua- (Kadokawa Shoten)
Atelier Totori Plus: The Alchemist of Arland 2 (Gust)

December 13th, 2012

Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2012: Definitive Edition (Konami)

December 20th, 2012

AKB1/149: Love Election (Bandai Namco)

Wii U

Launch - December 8th, 2012

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Capcom)
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Koei Tecmo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition (Bandai Namco)
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper (Koei Tecmo)

December 13th, 2012

Romance of the Three Kingdoms 12 (Koei Tecmo)

January 31st, 2013

Ken's Rage: Fist of the North Star 2 (Koei Tecmo)

February 21st, 2013

Tank! Tank! Tank! (Bandai Namco)

March 30th, 2013

Dragon Quest X (Square Enix)

May 23rd, 2013

Resident Evil: Revelations (Capcom)

August 8th, 2013

Yakuza 1 & 2: HD Edition for Wii U (SEGA)

October 24th, 2013

Sonic: Lost World (SEGA)

November 21st, 2013

Taiko no Tatsujin: Wii U Version (Bandai Namco)

December 5th, 2013

Dragon Quest X: Nemureru Yūsha to Michibiki no Meiyū Online (Square Enix)

December 11th, 2013

Monster Hunter Frontier G (Capcom)

PlayStation 4

Launch - February 22nd, 2014

Dynasty Warriors 8 with Xtreme Legends (Koei Tecmo)
Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence (Koei Tecmo)
Yakuza: Ishin! (SEGA)

March 20th, 2014

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes (Konami)

April 3rd. 2014

Natural Doctrine (Kadokawa Shoten)

April 14th, 2014

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (Square Enix)

June 26th, 2014

Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate (Koei Tecmo)

July 3rd, 2014

Akiba's Trip: Undead & Undressed (Acquire)

September 4th, 2014

Samurai Warriors 4 (Koei Tecmo)

October 2nd, 2014

Omega Quintet (Compile Heart)

November 13th, 2014

Pro Evolution Soccer 2015 (Konami)

November 20th, 2014

Dynasty Warriors 8: Empire (Koei Tecmo)

December 4th, 2014

Guilty Gear Xrd - Sign (Arc System Works)

Decembr 11th, 2014

Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo)

 

[Oregano]

I think of those were not going to happen anyway (just like some PS3 ports weren't happening while the PS4 was out), but yeah, I was a bit surprised by Musou Stars and Fire Pro not being for Switch at least.
Especially the former, since it's basically the new Warriors Orochi, would have made a lot of sense.

Yup, as I said previously though it's not the fact that Switch isn't getting all of those games, it's the fact it's getting none of them.

MGS and ZOE HD Collections were also announced at Sony's pre-TGS conference 2011 for Vita.



Vita's last somewhat notable title for Japan, that I can see at least, is going to be Accel World vs. SAO this week (and that may struggle to crack 100k LTD).

There's nothing else upcoming that's really going to get any major sales, that I can see. Itadaki Street maybe, but the PSP game didn't do that great (however, I can easily see that title coming to Switch).

Plenty of stuff from the usual niche crowd though (AquaPlus/Compile Heart/Gust etc.), though I would be surprises if any of the games from those companies came to Switch at this time.

Ahh I remember the days when Phantasy Star Nova was the last big Vita game.

Lol. Of course. It couldn't be that the games you used to prove your point weren't quite as impactful as you made it seem. And I love the certainty regarding OT.

If OT reaches 200k I'll import the Japanese version and then rebuy the English version

Spoiler

that Square Enix refuses to localise themselves.

I don't know why you keep arguing for software support of a system that will be delayed to holidays. There is still plenty of time.

Maybe it was just the third party support that was delayed.

 

[Chris1964]

Nintendo sells, what they can ship and I guess the next MC numbers will be again something around 60k as the ramped up production of the system won't kick in 'till around the end of April I guess.

It's unlikely Nintendo shipped for Switch for 3rd week the same amount with 2nd. Shipments are likely lower and there are hints they'll rise again at 4th.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Added the first 15 weeks of 3DS' HW sales from MC into the above list. None of the OPs had Famitsu data.

 

[Chris1964]

Added the first 15 weeks of 3DS' HW sales from MC into the above list. None of the OPs had Famitsu data.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231655818&postcount=730

 

[Mpl90]

If OT reaches 200k I'll import the Japanese version and then rebuy the English version

Spoiler

that Square Enix refuses to localise themselves.

Ah right, sincere curiosity. Do you still believe Disgaea 5 Complete will only sell 20,000 units worldwide?

 

[LordKano]

Ah right, serious question. Do you still believe Disgaea 5 Complete will only sell 20,000 units worldwide?

I've already preordered 10k copies just to prove him wrong.

 

[ZSaberLink]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231655818&postcount=730

Hm, so the 3DS never dipped below 15K except the week before the pricecut in its first 30 weeks? Not bad at all.

 

[Chris1964]

3DS lost momentum after first month. That was pretty bad.

 

[Oregano]

Ah right, sincere curiosity. Do you still believe Disgaea 5 Complete will only sell 20,000 units worldwide?

I think it will be in that ballpark.

I've already preordered 10k copies just to prove him wrong.

lol, I'm glad they put it on the Nintendo UK Store so I could preorder the Limited Edition without having to make a new account for something.

Hm, so the 3DS never dipped below 15K except the week before the pricecut in its first 30 weeks? Not bad at all.

Yup and software did quite well. 3DS was judged to a standard that no other system has been.

 

[Mpl90]

I've already preordered 10k copies just to prove him wrong.

So you're the one who brought the Limited Edition availability on NISA.com down to 11-25%? What a big achievement, then!

Spoiler

The Limited Edition supply is surely much smaller than 10,000 (probably more like 1/10th), before anyone starts making extrapolations from that

 

[ZSaberLink]

3DS lost momentum after first month. That was pretty bad.

Right, but didn't every console launch after that do much much worse lol?

 

[MTC100]

It's unlikely Nintendo shipped for Switch for 3rd week the same amount with 2nd. Shipments are likely lower and there are hints they'll rise again at 4th.

It depends if they shipped "everything" they've got on the first week or not I guess. -Also first week sale-through was around 95% so there weren't that many left from the initial shipment. Well I guess we'll see how many units will be sold, if it's around 50k then it's likely what Nintendo can deliver on a weekly basis for now.

 

[Chris1964]

Right, but didn't every console launch after that do much much worse lol?

Every console launch after 3DS being a failure doesn't mean 3DS doing better was a success. It lasted only a month.

 

[frankie_baby]

It's unlikely Nintendo shipped for Switch for 3rd week the same amount with 2nd. Shipments are likely lower and there are hints they'll rise again at 4th.

Even if nintendo shipped the same 3rd week as 2nd the 2nd has the bonus of the systems unsold from the launch (presumably things like uncollected and late collected preorders)

 

[Kresnik258]

Ahh I remember the days when Phantasy Star Nova was the last big Vita game.

Funnily enough, SaGa Scarlet Grace was announced a month after Phantasy Star Nova and I'd argue that held the mantle as "potential to be the last big Vita game" for quite some time (in the end, it didn't even get close, but never mind).

But, KanColle Kai had been announced months before PSN released and that's another one that had the potential to be huge, so I'm not sure your quote is really correct. I don't remember anyone saying that either really, but maybe that's just me.

Vita has managed to keep a steady stream of 100k+ games throughout its life with a couple of 200k-400k games thrown in each year, but there's really nothing like that for 2017. We've had the three potential 100k sellers we know about as of Thursday (DanganRonpa; Super Robot Wars; Accel World), I don't see anything else that can come close. And personally, I don't see anything else being announced at this point, barring a God Eater 3 miracle.

 

[ZSaberLink]

100K+ LTD sellers by end of 1st post-launch holiday season (obviously a bunch of these titles sold copies after this period, but it gives a general idea)

3DS

• Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends 68.973 667.234 Nintendo 26/02/2011
• Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask 117.859 396.914 Level 5 26/02/2011
• Samurai Warriors: Chronicles 43.044 155.059 Koei Tecmo 26/02/2011
• Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition 38.557 150.162 Capcom 26/02/2011
• Winning Eleven 3DSoccer 26.222 125.488 Konami 26/02/2011
• Ridge Racer 3D 34.663 116.345 Bandai Namco 26/02/2011
• Pilotwings Resort 27.729 108.612 Nintendo 14/04/2011
• One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP 76.578 326.737 Bandai Namco 26/05/2011
• Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D [All Versions] 61.306 165.470 Capcom 02/06/2011
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D 182.998 636.571 Nintendo 16/06/2011
• Tales of the Abyss 68.218 153.276 Bandai Namco 30/06/2011
• Star Fox 64 3D 36.858 102.628Nintendo 14/07/2011
• Pokémon Rumble Blast 91.613 354.597 Pokémon Co. 11/08/2011
• Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 3 [All Versions] 45.529 162.793 Square Enix 02/11/2011
• Super Mario 3D Land 344.698 2.111.490 Nintendo 03/11/2011
• Mario Kart 7 451.932 2.688.523 Nintendo 01/12/2011
• Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate [All Versions] 471.055 1.929.447 Capcom 10/12/2011
• Inazuma Eleven Go: Light / Shadow 141.458 455.172 Level 5 15/12/2011
• Puyo Puyo!! Puyo Puyo 20th Anniversary [All Versions] 0 162.059 SEGA 15/12/2011
• SD Gundam G Generation 3D 83.456 148.960 Bandai Namco 22/12/2011

Vita

• Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational [All Versions] 51.577 180.548 SCE 17/12/2011
• Uncharted: Golden Abyss [All Versions] 43.042 102.388 SCE 17/12/2011
• Gravity Rush [All Versions] 40.466 101.032 SCE 09/02/2012
• Persona 4: Golden [All Versions] 152.499 345.377 Atlus 14/06/2012
• Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f [All Versions] 158.009 227.492 SEGA 30/08/2012

Wii U

• New Super Mario Bros. U 170.563 1.260.178 Nintendo 08/12/2012
• Nintendo Land 78.461 400.704 400.704 Nintendo 08/12/2012
• Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate 110.149 224.986 Capcom 08/12/2012
• Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online [All Versions] Square Enix 30/03/2013
• Pikmin 3 102.188 232.313 Nintendo 13/07/2013
• New Super Luigi U 27.312 109.035 Nintendo 13/07/2013
• Wii Party U 79.715 831.292 Nintendo 31/10/2013
• Super Mario 3D World 106.967 613.693 Nintendo 21/11/2013
• Taiko no Tatsujin: Wii U Version! 17.518 181.289 Bandai Namco 21/11/2013
• Dragon Quest X: Nemureru Yuusha to Michibiki no Meiyuu Online [All Versions] 68.560 148.706 Square Enix 05/12/2013

PS4

• Knack 322.083 401.579 SCE 22/02/2014
• Battlefield 4 [All Versions] 26.878 312.681 Electronic Arts 22/02/2014
• Yakuza: Ishin! 73.086 134.580 SEGA 22/02/2014
• FIFA 14 9.780 106.825 Electronic Arts 22/02/2014
• Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes [All Versions] 100.278 176.963 Konami 20/03/2014
• Watch Dogs 65.630 102.335 Ubisoft 26/06/2014
• Destiny 88.609 141.736 SCE 11/09/2014
• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare [All Versions] 68.261 108.639 Square Enix 13/11/2014
• Grand Theft Auto V [All Versions] 73.167 448.612 Take-Two Interactive Japan 11/12/2014

 

[Ōkami]

1. [3DS] Monster Hunter XX - 2144
2. [PSV] Accel World VS Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight - 97
3. [PS4] Accel World VS Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight - 85
4. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands - 63
5. [SWI] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 39
6. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash - 36
7. [PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn - 32
8. [3DS] Future Card Buddyfight Mezase! Buddy Champion! - 30
9. [WIU] 1 2 Switch - 25
10. [PS4] NieR: Automata - 21
11. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash (Nyuu Nyuu DX Pack) - 18
12. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege - 12
13. [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS - 12
14. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki - 11
15. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 9
16. [PSV] YU-NO: Konoyo no Hate de Koi o Utau Shoujo - 9
17. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 - Professional - 9
18. [3DS] Mario Party: Star Rush - 9
19. [PSV] YU-NO: Konoyo no Hate de Koi o Utau Shoujo (Limited Edition) - 8

Preorders
[SWI] Mario Kart 8: Deluxe - 82
[PS4] Gran Turismo Sport - 70
[3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X - 45
[PS4] Blue Reflection - 36
[PS4] Musou Stars - 25
[PSV] Blue Reflection - 25
[3DS] Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - 22
[PSV] Nights of Azure 2 - 22
[PS4] Nights of Azure 2 - 20
[PSV] Re: Zero Death or Kiss - 12
[PS4] Tekken 7 - 11
[PS4] Re: Zero Death or Kiss - 11

 

[LordKano]

Didn't know there was a video game adaptation of Re:Zero. Looked it up and...of course it had to be a romance visual novel.

 

[Vena]

Pretty sure the game named after the Switch is not on the WiiU.

 

[Oregano]

Funnily enough, SaGa Scarlet Grace was announced a month after Phantasy Star Nova and I'd argue that held the mantle as "potential to be the last big Vita game" for quite some time (in the end, it didn't even get close, but never mind).

But, KanColle Kai had been announced months before PSN released and that's another one that had the potential to be huge, so I'm not sure your quote is really correct. I don't remember anyone saying that either really, but maybe that's just me.

Vita has managed to keep a steady stream of 100k+ games throughout its life with a couple of 200k-400k games thrown in each year, but there's really nothing like that for 2017. We've had the three potential 100k sellers we know about as of Thursday (DanganRonpa; Super Robot Wars; Accel World), I don't see anything else that can come close. And personally, I don't see anything else being announced at this point, barring a God Eater 3 miracle.

KanColle and SaGa were both vapourware though.

In regards to God Eater it really depends on whether they want God Eater 3 to be the last one? If they do it will skip Vita. lol

Spoiler

It's weird they still haven't revealed it. I wonder if the terrible reception to Online made them delay.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Yeah, I'm sure publishers want to kill the handheld market that is still significantly bigger than the home console market in Japan. They might just not care enough to relieve random forum goers from such insecurities.

They often care more about the far larger overseas market. Many have explicitly stated this.

So after five or six years of '3DS is doomed' posts in Q1 on GAF, the usual suspects are now targeting Switch. Mother of God.

Piss poor false equivalency. As pointed earlier in the thread, 3DS had more notable third party announcements, many of them being completely exclusive.

Does anyone have the list of unreleased Japanese third party games slated for Vita and/or PS4 in 2017?

I think that's also a list worth comparing to since the odds of getting Switch third party exclusives when the Switch has above 360/PS3 level hardware are low, meaning they're also the list of games that were candidates for a Switch release.

List of announced PS4/Vita Japanese games missing Switch 2017 as of now (gap between missed and to be missed):

Hatsune Mike Project Diva
Danganronpa 3
Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star
Valjyria Revolution
Tales of Berseria
Nioh
RE7
Yakuza 0
Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue
Digimon World: Next Order
Dynasty Warriors: Godseekers
Berserk and the Band of the Hawk
Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey
Nier: Automata
Danganronpa 1•2 Reload
Accel World VS Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight
Toukiden 2
Zero Escape: The Nonary Games
KH 1.5+2.5 HD Remix


Persona 5
Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception
Tekken 7
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown
Dark Rose Valkyrie
Earth Defense Force 5
Guilty Gear Xrd Rev.2
Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite
Metal Gear Survive
Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon
Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom

 

[Sandfox]

They often care more about the far larger overseas market. Many have explicitly stated this.



Piss poor false equivalency. As pointed earlier in the thread, 3DS had more notable third party announcements, many of them being completely exclusive.



List of announced PS4/Vita Japanese games missing Switch 2017 as of now (gap between missed and to be missed):

Hatsune Mike Project Diva
Danganronpa 3
Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star
Valjyria Revolution
Tales of Berseria
Nioh
RE7
Yakuza 0
Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue
Digimon World: Next Order
Dynasty Warriors: Godseekers
Berserk and the Band of the Hawk
Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey
Nier: Automata
Danganronpa 1•2 Reload
Accel World VS Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight
Toukiden 2
Zero Escape: The Nonary Games
KH 1.5+2.5 HD Remix


Persona 5
Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception
Tekken 7
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown
Dark Rose Valkyrie
Earth Defense Force 5
Guilty Gear Xrd Rev.2
Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite
Metal Gear Survive
Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon
Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom

Why are you listing games like Yakuza 0?

 

[horuhe]

Rakuten Books Sales Ranking Week 11, 2017 (Mar 13 - Mar 19)

01./00. [3DS] Monster Hunter XX <ACT> (Capcom)
02./00. [PSV] Accel World Vs. Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight <RPG> (Bandai Namco)
03./00. [PS4] Accel World Vs. Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight <RPG> (Bandai Namco)
04./03. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo)
05./02. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands <ADV> (Ubisoft)
06./05. [PS4] NieR: Automata <RPG> (Square Enix)
07./04. [PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn <ADV> (Sony Interactive)
08./00. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash <ACT> (Marvelous)
09./01. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <RPG> (Square Enix)
10./00. [PS4] YU-NO: Kono Yo no Hate de Koi o Utau Shoujo <ADV> (5pb.)
11./06. [NSW] 1-2-Switch <ETC> (Nintendo)
12./00. [PSV] YU-NO: Kono Yo no Hate de Koi o Utau Shoujo <ADV> (5pb.)
13./11. [3DS] Pokémon Sun <RPG> (Pokémon Co.)
14./16. [3DS] Pokémon Moon <RPG> (Pokémon Co.)
15./08. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V [New Price Edition] <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive)
16./18. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki <RPG> (Level 5)
17./07. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 - Professional <RPG> (Square Enix)
18./09. [NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami)
19./00. [3DS] Manga-ka Debut Monogatari: Suteki na Manga o Egakou <SLG> (Nippon Columbia)
20./00. [3DS] Future Card Buddy Fight Mezase! Buddy Champion! <TBL> (FuRyu)

Rakuten Books Pre-Orders Ranking Week 11, 2017 (Mar 13 - Mar 19)

01./03. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo)
02./04. [3DS] Pro Baseball: Famista Climax <SPT> (Bandai Namco)
03./07. [PS4] Blue Reflection: Maboroshi ni Mau Shoujo no Ken (Premium Box) <RPG> (Koei Tecmo)
04./09. [3DS] Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia <SLG> (Nintendo)
05./06. [PS4] Musou Stars <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
06./19. [3DS] Mario Sports: Super Stars <SPT> (Nintendo)
07./17. [PS4] Blue Reflection: Maboroshi ni Mau Shoujo no Ken <RPG> (Koei Tecmo)
08./05. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X <ADV> (Bandai Namco)
09./16. [PS4] Gran Turismo: Sport (Limited Edition) <RCE> (Sony Interactive)
10./18. [PS4] Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age <RPG> (Square Enix)

Rakuten Books Ranking Week 10, 2017 (Mar 06 - Mar 12)

***WARNING***

* Note: Games on the Rakuten Books Rankings are ONLY based on sales at Rakuten Books and does NOT count games sold by other retailers at Rakuten.
** Note 2: Games on the Pre-Orders Ranking are counted as net sales, so it might possibly affect the games listed on the Sales Ranking, since those sales are NOT added afterwards.

 

[Jon Carter]

What are big numbers? We don't need to be vague about these things. Is it going to get the same support as PS4? No. Is it going to get the same support as 3DS? Highly unlikely. Is it going to get more support than WiiU? Without a doubt.

Third parties will treat it as the 3DS' successor. It won't be "the same" considering the jump from 240p to 720p-1080p, so budgets will go up and there will be fewer exclusive releases, but it should be clear by the end of this year how third parties will look at the Switch.

 

[horuhe]

Not too much to say. Double Cross is everywhere. The producer was at Sofmap Akiba.

No Switch news, no life. Until next week. However, there were re-stocks of PS4 Pro and Famicom Mini.

 

[Sterok]

Are Mario Kart's pre-orders looking strong? They seem good to me, but I'm not good at judging these.

Switch will probably have fewer exclusives than the 3DS, but as long as it gets games it'll be fine. Having something to play is more important than being the only place where you can play something.

 

[hiska-kun]

Tsutaya's Ranking Week 11 2017

01./00. [3DS] Monster Hunter Double Cross <ACT> (Capcom)
02./00. [PSV] Accel World Vs. Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games)
03./00. [PS4] Accel World Vs. Sword Art Online: Millennium Twilight <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games)
04./00. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash <ACT> (Marvelous)
05./01. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands <ADV> (Ubisoft)
06./03. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo)
07./04. [PS4] Horizon: Zero Dawn <ADV> (Sony Interactive Entertainment)
08./02. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <RPG> (Square Enix)
09./05. [PS4] NieR: Automata <RPG> (Square Enix)
10./06. [NSW] 1-2-Switch <ETC> (Nintendo)
11./00. [3DS] Future Card Buddy Fight Mezase! Buddy Champion! <TBL> (FuRyu)
12./10. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 - Professional <RPG> (Square Enix)
13./08. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild <ADV> (Nintendo)
14./09. [NSW] Super Bomberman R <ACT> (Konami)
15./17. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V [New Price Edition] <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan)
16./16. [3DS] Pokemon Sun <RPG> (Pokemon Co.)
17./00. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash (Niu Niu DX Pack) <ACT> (Marvelous)
18./11. [PS4] Nioh <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
19./14. [3DS] Pokemon Moon <RPG> (Pokemon Co.)
20./00. [PSV] Konoyo no Hashite de Ren o Utau Shoujo: Yu-No <ADV> (5pb.)

 

[Xbro]

YSO predictions

01. [3DS] Monster Hunter Double Cross < 200k (average 190k)
02. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild < 40k (average 35k)
03. [NSW] 1-2-Switch < 25k (average 20k)

Would be an excellent hold for Zelda and 12S

 

[Takao]

Bandai Namco's producer has said that Accel World vs. SAO will be the final SAO release on Vita. Based on those retailer charts, it looks the Vita version has outsold the PS4 one, despite having an anime-like frame rate. The series is so popular in the west that this entry is being released as a PSN-exclusive on both platforms in North America.

RIP Kirito

 

[Shengar]

Thanks for putting in the work Mpl90. Overall I'd still say Switch doesn't compare favorably to either 3DS or Vita and whilst it has more smaller

Spoiler

irrelevant

games than the PS4 nothing compares to FFXV and KH3(which are de facto exclusives unlike DQXI).

Are you fucking shitting me?
I wouldn't pursue this shit further because there's some serious bias going on with your perception towards the Switch.

So this is it? After 3 weeks and what can be considered as a successful launch, switch is already considered a wasted cause by some of the most optimistic and enthusiast GAFers when it comes to Nintendo?

Well, I guess it had a good run. :^)

Pack it up folk, Switch will be discontinued by the end of this month because there's no third party announcement this week.

To be serious, the Wii U catastrophic failure deal tremendous damage to their optimism that might not heal for at least

...

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PS4 early year really had it though. 3DS got a stellar support though, probably because there wasn't much technological gap between it and DS/PSP.

Anyway, people can make up argument that PS4 had big games announced on its earliest lifetime, namely FFXV, KHIII, MGSV (from that list). Out of that three game, two have been released and give significant hardware boots on their first week. In the context of Switch, an imagined similar situation would be MH5 announced for Switch. The thing is, MHXX probably already too deep in the development and announcement of a next mainline game on a new hardware would kill interest on a game that supposedly become a bridge to the new generation. FE: Switch could actually count as one, but it's a 1st party game and its announcement only served to confirm its existence.

Why are you listing games like Yakuza 0?

List made up from bunch of things that doesn't make sense in its context is the easiest way to prove one's point.