Castor Krieg
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Right now the only thing that can save Vita is FFT-0, but I doubt the game will be released on PSV or even on PSP again.
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Media Create Sales: Week 36, 2012 (Sep 03 - Sep 09)
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No game alone can save the Vita, even DQ, I might say.
I completely agree with you, I've never said that it wasn't legitimate, I've actually said that I agree with what Charlequin posted. What I was trying to say is that judging by that rumor (that obviously can be completely fake) both possibilities are possible. Not that is sure that there was a moneyhat. I think it's interesting (I don't think I'm the only one) to actually know what happened behind the scene (not only in this case, but a lot of case in the gaming industry in the past), but we will probably never really know what really happened unfortunately.
Lord_Byron28
Member
You were saying that capcom could've easily ported an MH game and with 4 the audience would know where the next mainline game would be. I told you that the risk of confusing the userbase would not be worth it and that I don't see why Vita owners want an MH port when it wouldn't push sales and you can already play the game on PSP and PS3. Not sure what you're denying that you said. Only thing I addressed to you was about you implying Capcom could release a minimum effort MH Vita port without consequences.
Dragon Quest for the past 10 iterations has gone to the system that sells the most. It will never happen and will never go to Vita. Going to the PS3 would be more logical than Vita even those chances are slim. I think its fairly obvious DQ11 will be going to the 3DS as DQ9 on the DS was the highest selling game in the franchise.
Is this your own personal "I'll buy Vita if Final Fantasy Type-0 is on it" list? 'Cause Type-0 qHD ain't gonna save Vita.
InsaneZero
Member
Ports aren't going to save a dying system.
When you get to the point where your only real strategy is to gamble on an unforeseeable explosion, you know that the platform is truly screwed.
When you get to the point where your only real strategy is to gamble on an unforeseeable explosion, you know that the platform is truly screwed.
Tri G would have been released literally weeks after a potential Portable 3rd HD and choke out any potential that had to sell hardware. There would be no confusion for the brand because the next big entry (Portable 3rd HD isn't a big entry) would be on 3DS weeks later. I think the only people who wanted an MHP3rd HD for Vita were those in the west hoping for a localization of the game or something. It wouldn't have sold very well in Japan, and like Adam Jensen I never asked for this.
Exterminieren
Banned
What Vita really needs is some title which everyone plays, and everyone plays together. It needs to be something that people will play and every other person simply has to be a part of. That's where the biggest handheld franchises (Pokemon, Monster Hunter) got the beginnings of their popularity from.
And, as weird as this seems in the West, it has to be local multiplayer.
And, as weird as this seems in the West, it has to be local multiplayer.
Sony has the answer to that in Soul Sacrifice, if it will be successful or not is another question.
While it seems like even Monster Hunter could learn a thing or two from Soul Sacrifice, the fact of the matter is that it's a derivative and derivatives don't usually spark sensations.
It needs fresh ideas. That strategy won't work if the game plays like another, more popular and established franchise.
AranhaHunter
Banned
This will happen
if Sony forks ~100 billion yen to get an extra 45-50% of SE and get majority share on the company
Opus Angelorum
Member
Even is Soul Sacrifice is better than Monster Hunter, it still won't have the same weight (name) behind it.
I agree, it would be interesting!
I think that DQ could, if exclusive. Probably only the Xbox360 could have seen just a temporary twist in its sales receiving a mainline DQ exclusive game.
Just to clarify, I agree with you. I was just saying that we cannot be 100% sure about third party titles. and that, if (IIIIF, but it will not happen) a mainline DQ exclusive title will come to Vita, it could be the "PSP-MH-like" turning point.
AranhaHunter
Banned
It won't happen. Like the guy said, DQ only goes to the highest selling platform. The only way it happens is if Sony gets majority share of SE by spending over $1billion on it. Worth it? Not sure, they have spent that amount of money or close to it to get some other crap, so you never know. But I sincerely doubt it will happen.
Wii U has sold 0 units though.
I think we can all recognize why SE is doing a Wii U version. Do not really think this proves the general rule wrong.
Well, DQX should be on as many platforms as possible. Best selling or otherwise.
mugurumakensei
Member
It has a Wii inside so it's sold almost 100 million units worldwide.
Being serious, it's because only minimal changes are needed. Use the higher quality dev assets, add some post-processing to improve IQ and that's it.
And when has SE ever followed that kind of plan?
No one would bet for a PS4 marketleadership over WiiU in Japan, so it´s reasonable to make such a decision beforehand.
It would be completely pointless, if they can't get cross-plattform play between all plattforms working. And I doubt that we'll see Wii U and PS3 (and maybe even 360) players on the same servers in any game ever.
Lord_Byron28
Member
To clarify, I wasn't saying you want MHP3rd on Vita; I was speaking in general to those who have requested it. Also, while localization may have been a factor for a small portion. I'm more than sure a lot of the people port begging wasn't founded because of that. Not too mention if Capcom didn't localized MHP3rd/HD for PSP/PS3 they sure as hell weren't going to for Vita.
Anyway, I still disagree with your assertion. MHP3rd on Vita would've been pointless. It would've made a small amount of money at the risk of potentially damaging future entries sales. Capcom has never been smart in terms of brand management for the long term. However, nonsensical franchise whoring is poor brand management if they want a long term, high selling franchise like Pokemon and Dragon Quest, imo. Doesn't mean Capcom wouldn't do it as they have in the past but from a brand management perspective, I see little to gain from a Vita port.
test_account
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Not only that, but the setting (dark lore) in Soul Sacrifice has a more limited appeal compared to Monster Hunter. Nothing wrong with that gaming wise, but sales wise it will be limited in comparison to Monster Hunter.
Too early to say much about that.
I agree, but I also think if you had to bet on it right now, Wii U would be the much safer bet. A year headstart when the previous platform already sold significantly more than its competition is usually a formula for success. The launch window lineup pretty much guarantees a very good start IMO.
InsaneZero
Member
The Wii U has about a year where the only console competitor is the fading PS3. It will be the console market leader when the PS4 arrives by default.
metalslimer
Member
This is the reason the game is going to Wii U. The Wii was on its last legs and they had already put all that development time into the Wii version to just wait another couple of years. Also Dragon Quest X should not be compared to any other game in the series in terms of platform choice. 3DS is obviously being setup for the Dragon Quest series so the trend will continue.
Edit: I don't see any real way the PS4 will outsell the Wii U in Japan to be honest. Consoles are dying in Japan and Nintendo has the much more appealing lineup of IPs to sell a console with. Not to mention a year+ headstart. Of course it's not like it means much. Wii U could sell 10 million and PS4 could sell 5 with the way that market is headed. It's kind of a meaningless victory.
Like I said, "as possible". I'd imagine PC would be a possible platform for DQX.
Also before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm not port begging for that game. Despite the avatar being a Toriyama creation I'm not a fan of Dragon Quest.
metalslimer
Member
If the game isn't coming to the west PC wouldn't be a great platform for it in Japan.
Exterminieren
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I don't doubt that will be popular, but I'm wondering if the gore, over the top violence and bizarre creature designs will scare away the mass market.
This isn't really related, but Dragon Ball Online still hasn't been released in Japan. I don't know why. Toriyama collaborated heavily on the project, and it's Free 2 Play too.
test_account
XP-39C²
It could be, but it is hard to say since we know nothing about the PS4/Xbox 720. Price, features, easy/hard to work with, etc.. Depends on how the market will respond to it (any system), that will have a lot more to say than a head start in my opinion.
It terms of units sold, sure, but i understood his point being more about that the WiiU would get most support.
Expanding on this thought. 2012 appears to be the very first year in many where there will be no Dragon Ball video games released in Japan. Namco Bandai did not announce a Japanese release for DBZ for Kinect (shocking news), or the Budokai HD Collection and Heroes Ultimate Mission is 2013.
True that it´s early but it seems to be a sure bet. Honestly I would even bet money if possible. With what kind of lineup would Sony even try to counter WiiU? SQEX will be busy for atleast 2 years (FF13 and Versus) so even a hypothetical exclusive (not likely) FFXV won´t be ready before 2015, this would be 3 years from now. Kingdom Hearts 3 would be a nice seller but the priority right now is Versus. A new MGS likely won´t be out before 2015 as well because they are busy with Ground Zeroes right now. We also know that Sonys only still relevant own franchise is GT but I doubt this will be enough.
@metalslimer
I don´t think that´s the case, I can see a with Japanese-centric games supported market-leader selling 15m+ in Japan.
test_account
XP-39C²
I have no idea. I dont know how the 3rd parties makes the business decitions around the next generation systems. I think it is hard to make a guess because we only know what WiiU offers.
Yeah, was thinking 15-20m was still reasonable for consoles to shoot for in Japan. It's currently handheld dominated because there hasn't been a really good console option for consumers this gen in Japan. It's a case of "Correlation does not imply causation" fallacy.
"cum hoc ergo propter hoc", cause Latin sounds cool.
We don´t know but can try doing some educated guesses.
The biggest not occupied franchises are the four mentioned earlier:
Final Fantasy
Kingdom Hearts
MGS
and Sonys GT
At least two of those will take their time and likely won´t be out before 2015.
Then there are the good selling ones for example:
Yakuza
Tales of
PES (likely multi)
and Sonys Minna no Golf
DQ is the kind of game that everyone that has the console buys. They won't go out of their way to buy the console for the game. You buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games, you buy DQ because you happened to have a Wii/DS/PS2/whatever. Can't really see this trend changing.
if we lived in a dreamworld they'd probably do better to moneyhat FF15 for vita.
if we lived in a dreamworld they'd probably do better to moneyhat FF15 for vita.
Yeah, was thinking 15-20m was still reasonable for consoles to shoot for in Japan. It's currently handheld dominated because there hasn't been a really good console option for consumers this gen in Japan. It's a case of "Correlation does not imply causation" fallacy.Consoles went down last gen and handhelds went up last gen, but that does not necessarily mean that consoles will continue in a downward trend."cum hoc ergo propter hoc", cause Latin sounds cool.
This console gen suffered alot mainly for two reasons, handhelds rising popularity and a console gen with a marketleader with an unprecedent abysmal Japanese 3rd party support.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Is Minna no Golf Sonys? I thought one launched with the Wii. Anyway, yeah 3 of those 4 major franchises won't be out for awhile. It'll be another PS3 situation where the major franchises don't hit until much later. I think Tales will stay with Sony because the fanbase is there but with Namco codeveloping SSB perhaps they can get somethings.
Metallix87
Member
I'm still guessing the Wii U version sees a Western release either in late 2013 or sometime in 2014.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Minna no Golf/Hot Shots is Sony's. Wii launched with Super Swing Golf. Later it got We Love Golf from Camelot, who did the original Hot Shots Golf as well as the Mario Golf games.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Oka thanks for the clarification.
Actually didn't SE state the reason for FF14 not going to 360 was that MS wouldn't allow cross-platform server compatibility with the other versions (or something to that effect)? I'd assume if (big if) FFXIV ever comes to Wii U it'd be possible to play with PS3 owners. Same for a possible 360 or 720 version.
As for DQX, I don't see it going anywhere but Wii (U) for the foreseeable future. But with the 10 years of planned support it's hard to tell what platforms it will also go to eventually.
Well, when people say "save the platform" I usually feel they mean "build a user base that will attract other developers of similar games to make titles on the platform as well".
Like the PSP ended up with a bunch of four player co-op games after Monster Hunter took off, so people who wanted more than Monster Hunter in the genre could get it.
By a similar token, games like Crisis Core helped establish an audience for middle to older teenager focused JRPGs.
The Vita on the other hand really has nothing building much of an audience for anything, and the longer that goes on, the less anyone would want to go to the platform instead of going to the platforms that already have their target audience.
I think after this holiday season it will be extremely hard for publishers to be convinced to release a game exclusively on the Vita.
If any game is going to turn the situation around it needs to be already in development and be released relatively soon. Maybe TGS has some hope for the system.
If any game is going to turn the situation around it needs to be already in development and be released relatively soon. Maybe TGS has some hope for the system.
TGS is literally the last hope for the system, because I think it's the last major opportunity to announce games greenlit before the system launched. And I can't imagine anything big having been greenlit post-launch, given the sales.