leatherhat
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sörine;131010878 said:
Persona 4 changed the game. Atlus is a much bigger name then they were when SMT3 or the ds EO games came out.
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Persona 4 changed the game. Atlus is a much bigger name then they were when SMT3 or the ds EO games came out.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
Anything near 40k would be very good for Bayonetta 2 IMO
I really doubt P4G(which I assume you're talking about because P4 didn't really "change" things until then) helped out games like EO and I would say SMT is arguable.
Persona 4 sold less than 200k in the US. And EO3 released after it too.
Atlus has had top sales on both 3DS and Vita so far. Better than they did on DS and PSP in fact.
I'm guessing they mean the original Persona 4 helped raise awareness of Atlus as a brand, leading to benefits to their other games that came out later.
And I disagree with that because Persona wasn't really "big" in the west until recently.
Oh not saying I agree. Just clarifying since you brought up Golden instead
It's not even Atlus USA's biggest seller. Trauma Center Wii sold more. So did Demon's Souls.
Well, it's looking more and more likely that the next Nintendo handhelds and home consoles will be sharing the same library. If that ends up being the case, I doubt we'll see many handheld exclusives even from Nintendo themselves.
What makes you say that? I just want to make sure I haven't missed something.
small44
Member
I only see ios/android/vita multiplatform
Next generation. I don't see a Vita successor.
In the FFVIII G-bike presentation, Vita was mentioned as a possibility, maybe, who knows. It will probably depend on how the upcoming Square Enix mobile ports to Vita perform.
Chain Chronicle V bombed horribly. As a comparison, Puzzle & Dragons Z sold 0.5 million first week when it had been downloaded 21 million times -- 2.4% conversion rate. CC has been downloaded 3 million times, 2.4% of that would be 70k. CCV did 4k first week -- 0.1% conversion rate.
Maybe Square Enix will have better luck (or maybe not, as the games being ported don't even seem to be as popular as Chain Chronicle).
On a related note, KanColle Kai for Vita is sporting that vaporware status.
Chain Chronicle V bombed horribly. As a comparison, Puzzle & Dragons Z sold 0.5 million first week when it had been downloaded 21 million times -- 2.4% conversion rate. CC has been downloaded 3 million times, 2.4% of that would be 70k. CCV did 4k first week -- 0.1% conversion rate.
Maybe Square Enix will have better luck (or maybe not, as the games being ported don't even seem to be as popular as Chain Chronicle).
On a related note, KanColle Kai for Vita is sporting that vaporware status.
They've been dropping hints about it since the beginning of the year. Iwata has mentioned wanting to have an account-based relationship with customers instead of device-based and turning the Nintendo ecosystem into something more similar to iOS and Android. Then there's this from last E3;
Their direction going forward is pretty clear, IMO.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I dont have time for long ass jrpgs on a home console, so keep making them for handhelds Atlus
Tsutaya's Weekly Ranking:
01./01. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13}
02./03. [PS3] Destiny <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11}
03./06. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10}
04./07. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10}
05./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo)
06./02. [PS4] Destiny <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11}
07./05. [3DS] Dragon Quest X Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.09.04}
08./04. [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm Revolution <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.09.11}
09./08. [PSV] Toukiden: The Age of Demons Extreme <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28}
10./13. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11}
11./11. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29}
12./10. [3DS] Yoshi's New Island <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.07.24}
13./12. [PS3] Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition <RPG> (Square Enix)
14./09. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.09.04}
15./21. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.08.07}
16./15. [PSP] Toukiden: The Age of Demons Extreme <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28}
17./22. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V (Bargain Edition) <ACT> (Rockstar Games) {2014.06.26}
18./19. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Don to Katsu no Jikuu Daibouken <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.26}
19./28. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.04.24}
20./24. [WIU] Hyrule Warriors <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.14}
http://s.tsutaya.co.jp/rank/game.html?r=W090
01./01. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13}
02./03. [PS3] Destiny <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11}
03./06. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10}
04./07. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10}
05./00. [WIU] Bayonetta 2 <ACT> (Nintendo)
06./02. [PS4] Destiny <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11}
07./05. [3DS] Dragon Quest X Online <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.09.04}
08./04. [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm Revolution <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.09.11}
09./08. [PSV] Toukiden: The Age of Demons Extreme <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28}
10./13. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11}
11./11. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29}
12./10. [3DS] Yoshi's New Island <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.07.24}
13./12. [PS3] Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition <RPG> (Square Enix)
14./09. [PS4] Samurai Warriors 4 <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.09.04}
15./21. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.08.07}
16./15. [PSP] Toukiden: The Age of Demons Extreme <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.28}
17./22. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V (Bargain Edition) <ACT> (Rockstar Games) {2014.06.26}
18./19. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Don to Katsu no Jikuu Daibouken <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.06.26}
19./28. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.04.24}
20./24. [WIU] Hyrule Warriors <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.14}
http://s.tsutaya.co.jp/rank/game.html?r=W090
SwiftDeath
Member
Breaking News: Bayonetta 2 to Outsell Destiny on PS4!
if only
theprodigy
Member
yikes at Bayonetta 2
Destiny PS4 seemed to also fall hard, though I guess that's somewhat expected
Destiny PS4 seemed to also fall hard, though I guess that's somewhat expected
shocking
More than 500. But not all Tsutaya's stores sell games.
Eh it could have done better. The first one managed over 200k FW in Japan. Hyrule Warriors sold decently enough proving that games can still sell on WiiU. I'm thinking Nintendo failed to market this in any serious capacity.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Damn right hiska-kun. We should wait a month of sales to get a full grasp of things!
That is a good estimate, if sales remained steady for Yokai Watch. We could see a 30k opening for Bayonetta 2.
I can't wait until people use sales to argue that the game is low quality, and therefore not worth their time.
Also, this week was the TGS, right? People were there so they couldn't buy the game this week.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Also, this week was the TGS, right? People were there so they couldn't buy the game this week.
And heat waves surely
metalslimer
Member
Well...hopefully Bayonetta 2 can outsell Bayonetta 1's opening week....on the 360.
Also, this week was the TGS, right? People were there so they couldn't buy the game this week.
Seriously though, the whole internet buzz regarding console (& handheld) gaming was heavily slanted towards TGS during last weekend so Beyo2 must have got overlooked. Not saying releasing it a week earlier or later would have helped much, but this release window overlapping with TGS wan't too smart IMO.
leatherhat
Member
Which is due to the cult status Persona 4 acquired. It didn't do it overnight but over years. Word of mouth and internet presence was very strong for that game (which is why the Golden did so well, people wanted to see what all the fuss was about.) It was the game that brought attention to Atlus and led to the success of its other games.
metalslimer
Member
The first sentence contradicts the second.
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Actually saw this quite alot when Hyrule Warriors released. It was pretty dumb how far some of the comments were going.
Well my point was overlapping TGS had a small effect but not by that much. We'll see how it performed in 2 days...
This comparison is a bit of apples and oranges because PDZ is a full cart game, not f2p, while Chain Chronicle V on Vita is f2p. The "retail" release of CCV that "bombed" is just a bunch of DLC packs. The real question is how many have downloaded CCV from PSN (and bought something in the game).
It was announced earlier this month that the game has been delayed to Spring 2015:
http://gematsu.com/2014/09/kan-colle-kai-delayed-spring-2015-japan#uuyWOU3146pl93DA.99
A Kan Colle anime will begin airing in Spring 2015, so part of the reason for the delay was likely to have the game's release coincide with that of the anime's.
Official site:
http://kancolle-vita.com/
Ah, I didn't know it was F2P. I thought it was a regular game. That explains better the very low physical sales. Thanks.
FFAgito+ and Rise of Mana are all F2P as well. Only Chaos Rings III isn't, I guess.
Heh, that'll be ten times better the not-so-subtle port-begging and "Nintendo killed Bayonetta" posts.
But yeah, I agree that Nintendo (Japan) really seems to have given up on anything that wasn't their "AAA" IP.
The way they just dropped TW101 is disheartning. They don't even seem to believe in the stuff they funded themselves : /
Bayonetta 2 was better, but not that much.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
bomba
holy shit just look at this:
Bayonetta on 360 : FW = 66k, LTD = 118k
Looks like the audience for those games are not on WiiU and fans did not follow.
Otakumegane
Member
Bayonetta 2 is just one of those games that would never sell.
A shame really.
A shame really.
Pennywise83
Banned
I don't really understand why people keep being surprised by low Bayonetta 2 sales; it was really expected, given the small Wii U installed base; the fact that Wii U userbase is really different from the game audience; even big Nintendo IPs sold poorly, so why should we expect anything than a bomb from Bayonetta 2? Platinum Games will be fine as usual (at least until they keep funding their projects); Bayonetta fans should be happy to be able to play the sequel (and those who didn't play the first one but are interested in the game they can get both); Nintendo will have a game which departs from its usual line-up, that might be recycled in the future if they will pursue the unified software ecosystem approach.
I don't think Pokemon releases are much different now than they where a while ago. Look:
There are some voids and all that, but it's been almost yearly for a while. There are some parts where there is only 1 game every 2 years, but then you have two games released in 2004
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Makes me wonder if the first game was really received that badly. IIRC it did really bad its first month in the US and Japan, and had several deep discounts after the first couple of days. Somehow it limped to 1.3M WW.
Pennywise83
Banned
I don't think Pokemon releases are much different now than they where a while ago. Look:
There are some voids and all that, but it's been almost yearly for a while. There are some parts where there is only 1 game every 2 years, but then you have two games released in 2004
Yeah, and also Pokémon had a lot of spin-offs back then (more than recent years).
Anyway, it will be interesting to see where Pokémon X / Y will end up. In my opinion, 5m are a lock when it's all said and done. This will be a decrease from previous entries, but still a huge result.
My goodness, who could've seen that coming?!