It's better from the joke launch list of Wii.
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Media Create Sales: Week 39, 2012 (Sep 24 - Sep 30)
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It's better from the joke launch list of Wii.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I never realized it, but yeah. Taiko, IE Strikers and maybe even Kamen Rider will likely put up higher lifetime totals than any of Vita's Nov/Dec games.
Monster Hunter alone will sell better than almost all the Wii launch third party games ( excluding Dragon Ball Budokai) combined. Multiple times, even.
Wii did not have a 3rd party game break 200K until DQ:Swords in July of 2007, and only DQ:Swords and Umbrella Chronicles broke 200K in the first year. Two on rails titles.
Oh damn i really forgot how bad third partys treated the Wii, especially Square Enix with epic failure called Crystal Bearers which they delayed for years and instead of delivering a solid Action RPG they tried something different and awful.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
clay_ghost
Member
At least they're starting to sell them cheaper. Now we just need them to arrive at the West.
test_account
XP-39C²
It is the same price for the PS3 version, so i dont think it is a typo. No idea why it cost that much. Maybe they know that it will sell only to a dedicated fanbase, and then the price can be higher.
They have always cost more than other games. Even going back to the Famicom. And I guess the fanbase buys them. No idea.
Yeah, it's great to see how much support the 3DS has acquired over time. Next year should be great.
All in all though, last holiday was huge in terms of big sellers, but this lineup shows a more diverse and healthy platform.
I was going to tell you that i wanted them to take their time with Zelda still, but i forgot it's already almost one and half years old, so... yeah that sounds pretty possible. Can't wait for something!
electroplankton
Banned
Oh ok, i thought those games had already set a date. Is this the frist time we see the date?
About the other discussion, yeah, i guess that is what he ment after thinking more about it. I wasnt trying to focus much on the word "scary", but maybe it looked like it because i answered everyone who quoted me on it.
It was said "THIS is the most scary aspect of Vita sales right now", so i was just wondering why this was scary now when we knew about the low Vita sales for months. It wasnt any critcizm, just wondering about what he ment with that sentenceBut yeah, after thinking more about it, i guess that maybe ment that it was scary to see the big drop compared to launch.
I dont mean to rip this discussion up too much, but it is just important for me to say that i didnt criticize what he said.
No, they did not have a date yet.
By the way, it's clear to me that something like the ratio between first week sales and total sales becomes more and more evidente as the time passes.
Famitsu 2012 Fiscal Year First Half (03/26~09/30)
famitsu.com/news/201210/04022297.html
Software: 114.26 billion yen (+15.8%)
Hardware: 61.08 billion yen (+2.2%)
Total: 175.34 billion yen (+10.7%)
Hardware:
Software:
famitsu.com/news/201210/04022297.html
Software: 114.26 billion yen (+15.8%)
Hardware: 61.08 billion yen (+2.2%)
Total: 175.34 billion yen (+10.7%)
Hardware:
Code:
FY 2012 H1 LTD
3DS 2,075,596 7,517,620
PS3 440,221 8,313,573
PSP 356,056 18,912,220
Vita 327,728 947,147
Wii 243,605 12,582,809
360 27,149 1,563,051
DS 11,939 32,860,999Software:
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1. [NDS] Pokémon Black 2 / White 2 2,754,595
2. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 1,202,879
3. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters 3D 886,349
4. [WII] Dragon Quest X 598,124
5. [WII] Mario Party 9 547,297lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I wonder if Wii can squeeze out another 418k to break 13m?
Till it stops being produced?
Absolutely.
It still has a shot for this year even.
It's a slim chance though.
PS3 1st week - ~82K
PSV 1st week - ~325K
After ~9 months, both hit 1 million. Take away the first week, and PS3 has been ahead of Vita since week 6, doubling Vita's LTD (starting with 671K to 335K) for a few weeks. Still think they're comparable?
Yes, exactly.
Should be able to with a 200K Nov/Dec period. Will see how that goes, though.
Opus Angelorum
Member
So the PSVita has been on the Japanese market for around 43(?) weeks.
1st week sales = 325,000
LTD sales = 947,147
Average weekly sales = 14,813 (622,147 / 42)
1st week sales = 325,000
LTD sales = 947,147
Average weekly sales = 14,813 (622,147 / 42)
fabfour64xx
Banned
Depressing.
frankie_baby
Member
Whether it makes it this year all depends if it gets a price cut when wii u launches, I mean isn't the wii still 20k¥ surely it must be getting a drop
frankie_baby
Member
Its actually hilarious to think in japan wii u is basically cheaper than the vita is
I'm not sure why some people keep downplaying it, but Sony's inability to kill off the PSP is a major factor in Vita's floundering.
Why are they letting a last-gen console stifle their current-gen machine's sales? Nintendo was so aggressive with their pricecut that they actually made the 3DS cheaper at MSRP than the DS (at least for a bit).
There is no way anyone could argue that the PSP selling more units YTD than the Vita is not having a negative impact on Vita sales.
3DS dwarfing the rest combined.
Need Pac-Man chart.
frankie_baby
Member
If anything though killing the PSP would probably do more for the 3ds than it does for for vita
If combined with a price cut I disagree. Sony has brand loyal fans just like Nintendo does, maybe some of them still just haven't seen good enough reason to move forward yet.
It's crazy to think of it this way but if the reviled UMD drive was somehow put on the Vita it probably would have subsumed the original PSP's sales by now. It's not that much more expensive and it does offer better visual fidelity and control options.
Japan just doesn't care about digital sales when the device needs to be tethered to a wifi connection and isn't a phone.
All I can think of when I see Sony's lack of action is that they are either completely lost as to what to do or they are planning a major relaunch of sorts. If they do it a year or whatever after with a price cut then no one will really complain, like they did with the whole Ambassador thing. Whatever they do now will be squashed by the WiiU anyway so right now is not too good a time to make any drastic moves, early next year is probably better.
Whatever the case though, Vita is screwed this holiday season.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
FrankenDisc could still happen!
test_account
XP-39C²
Ok, i see.
Yep, the ratio becomes smaller and smaller. The first week sales is static while the total sales just grows as time goes by.
frankie_baby
Member
I'd wager more PSP owners are monster hunter loyalists than Sony loyalists
Code:
3DS 2,075,596
PS3 440,221As you can see, the PS3 is absolutely crushing the 3DS and dominating the attention of every Japanese publisher.
Here are some charts that help prove this.
It should be obvious to everyone that the PS3 shall continue its domination well into 2018, as the opportunity cost of switching to a new platform is simply too high.
Problem isn't PSP stealing sales from PSV, since PSP is just enjoying the last tail of its lifespan ( a big and cheap catalogue and some interesting new releases).
Problem is that Vita isn't desirable enough to quickly expand it's userbase thus giving confidence to publishers to put in the pipeline more projects.
Last year in the same timeframe DS still sold 210K, yet 3DS totaled 1.12M.
Its directly backwards compatible though.
Yeah, I don't think the PSP's success was founded upon loyalty to Sony, but rather the kinds of games that Sony traditionally attracted like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, and Monster Hunter.
However, these days, one of those is in steep decline, another has dropped notable handheld entries, and the third moved exclusively to their competitor.
fabfour64xx
Banned
But if Sony killed off the PSP, would those devs/pubs that are still making PSP games start making exclusive Vita games? I'd doubt it. We see games that are PSP/Vita like God Eater 2 which obviously means devs/pubs have little to no confidence in the Vita, so killing the PSP off probably isn't the best way to go. Sony just needs to convince consumers and third parties that the Vita is the future, but they've done a terrible job at doing just that.
Sinobi said that Iwata said during the retailer meeting yesterday that there are going to be less Wii U units available than what people seem to be thinking. Plus the basic set is going to take up the largest portion of what will be available, despite the premium set and MH3GHD bundle seemingly having the most demand at the moment.
https://twitter.com/sinobintage/status/253818716125528064
https://twitter.com/sinobintage/status/253819822100578304
https://twitter.com/sinobintage/status/253818716125528064
https://twitter.com/sinobintage/status/253819822100578304
Father_Brain
Banned
In the Beating a Dead Horse Dept.: In the weeks between launch and the price cut announcement last year, 3DS averaged over 43K. Take out the second (>200K) week, and 3DS still averaged over 34K.
It's about third parties, not just fans. Were PSP no longer an option, how many current PSP-supporting third parties would choose Vita over a handheld that has PSP+ specs, the most popular PSP franchise, and a much, much larger userbase? The answer is probably greater than zero, but a lot less than a majority.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
lololCode:3DS 2,075,596 PS3 440,221
As you can see, the PS3 is absolutely crushing the 3DS and dominating the attention of every Japanese publisher.
Here are some charts that help prove this.
It should be obvious to everyone that the PS3 shall continue its domination well into 2018, as the opportunity cost of switching to a new platform is simply too high.
A++
Nirolak already addressed this above, but given how much their successes have relied on third-party franchises, I really, really doubt that they have brand loyalists to the extent that Nintendo does.
It's a catch 22 though. Vita needs to push more units to gain publisher confidence, but they need more games to sell units. If Sony had confidence that Vita was the right choice moving forward, I think they would be happy to kill off the PSP.
It just goes back to how asinine their "10 year cycle, everything's going according to plan" comments are.
test_account
XP-39C²
Has a system literally been killed off before? The only way i can see this is possible is to refuse anyone to get their games certified for that system.
Good question. I mean, even Dreamcast didn't see its last licensed releases until 2007.
SCE didn't kill off the PS2, and they very much believed that PS3 was the right choice moving forward. While SCE(E of all divisions) is still publishing new PSP releases they're not developed internally. Their support outside of SCEJ doing marketing campaigns for new colours, and key third party releases is done.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, i think this is the problem (to put it in that way), that many developers still see the PSP as a viable platform. Even if Sony offers the exact same terms, or even better terms, for the Vita, the userbase is still the problem.
Virtual Boy?
Did everyone miss where this wasn't so much about software, but rather price? The DS was proving prohibitive at the beginning of the 3DS' life. The price cut did wonders for a multitude of reasons, one of them being that they actually made the 3DS cheaper than the DS (LL only, I think?) making it stupid not to purchase a 3DS.
PSP doesn't need to keep shifting units if developers want to make games for it. It already has a healthy installed base. Vita NEEDS to move hardware if Sony ever wants devs to move their efforts there.
Is this making any sense?
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General public at large is clearly going to eat up the cheaper units, and that's likely where the majority of sales are going to be.
test_account
XP-39C²
The Virtual Boy was discontunied pretty fast indeed, same with Sega 32X, but i think that is also in combination with the low hardware sales, so that no one saw the need to contunie to publish games for it. Even if Sony should stop selling PSP hardware right now, there are over 19 million units sold already.