Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2016 (Dec 26 - Jan 01)

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Sales didn't go up last year, the decline was just less.
You have to compare it with holidays 2011-12. A year that have the same days placed.

Week 1 2012 (Jan 2 - Jan 8)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458546

New Year Sales strong days are the second and the third of January. Week 52 (Dec 26 - Jan 1) hasn't got any Christmas days, neither New Year Sales (On Jan 1, most shops are closed due to holiday), that's why it's a weaker week.
 

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I think I heard back in a Media Create thread how kids get their money post-Christmas for New Year and these usually purchase PS platform hence the usual boost near the new year. Not sure now who said it back then, but it seems like it.
 

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PS3 VS PS4

*Next week I will add more weeks. PS3 up to 5 million.
And some people thought PS4 would fall behind PS3 after PS3 slim and FF13 released. Still its pretty remarkable how Sony plans hardware with a new mainline FF and how similar the combined effect on their system is.
 

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Seems like all the bashing and hatred against FFXV has been fruitless :) Quality always prevails in the end and it's great to see that the title recovered so quickly. I imagine SE must be happy with the results considering the marketing and production budgets should be back in their bank very soon with this kind of sales performance. Nothing can stop the #RoadTo1M train anymore and after that is said and done, I can't see why they shouldn't announce the next manifestation of FF very soon.

I think all the predictions about the brand losing its power were always kinda hyperbole and in the end both gamers and SE can be very happy not only about FFXV itself but also that it managed to make a big enough splash that might revive the glorious days of JRPG extravaganza on dedicated videogame machines/PS4.

I imagine Tabata is very happy with FFXV selling better in its 5th week than the already strong FFXIII - at least this is what I love to think when thinking about Tabata walking through the Square Enix headquarter hallways with his trusty dust mop
Sarcasm?
 

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And some people thought PS4 would fall behind PS3 after PS3 slim and FF13 released. Still its pretty remarkable how Sony plans hardware with a new mainline FF and how similar the combined effect on their system is.
Week 148 is when the Slim launched for PS3. Week 132 is when PS4 Slim launched
As PS4 falls out of holidays and PS3 enters it is when we can see whether or not it keeps up.
 

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And some people thought PS4 would fall behind PS3 after PS3 slim and FF13 released. Still its pretty remarkable how Sony plans hardware with a new mainline FF and how similar the combined effect on their system is.
PS4 needs to reach close to 4.5m until end of February... if that happens PS3 won't catch it until maybe 2018.

FFXIII + holidays line compares with February PS4 time.
 

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Dengeki Online Sales: Week 52, 2016 (Dec 26 - Jan 01)

01./01. [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS (Nintendo) {2016.12.01} - 84,111 / 790,656
02./04. [3DS] Momotaro Dentetsu 2017: Tachiagare Nippon!! (Nintendo) {2016.12.22} - 71,811 / 203,783
03./02. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki (Level 5) {2016.12.15} - 53,040 / 572,010
04./03. [3DS] Pokemon Sun (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} - 47,800 / 1,538,599
05./05. [3DS] Pokemon Moon (Pokemon Co.) {2016.11.18} - 44,078 / 1,408,919
06./08. [PS4] Final Fantasy XV (Square Enix) {2016.11.29} - 28,994 / 874,255
07./06. [3DS] Miitopia (Nintendo) {2016.12.08} - 21,800 / 130,848
08./09. [PS4] Yakuza 6: The Song of Life (Sega) {2016.12.08} - 20,944 / 321,732
09./07. [PSV] Minecraft: Playstation Vita Edition (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2015.03.19} - 17,983 / 1,002,105
10./10. [3DS] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Heroes (KONAMI) {2016.12.15} - 13,605 / 74,197
11./14. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo (Nintendo) {2016.11.23} - 11,911 / 81,968
12./18. [PSV] SaGa: Scarlet Grace (Square Enix) {2016.12.15} - 9,128 / 85,659
13./11. [WIU] Minecraft: Wii U Edition (Microsoft Game Studios) {2016.06.23} - 8,606 / 251,430
14./13. [3DS] Mario Party Star Rush (Nintendo) {2016.10.20} - 8,050 / 135,314
15./24. [PS4] The Last Guardian (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.12.06} - 7,889 / 104,408
16./30. [PS4] Watch Dogs 2 (Ubisoft) {2016.12.01} - 7,633 / 88,479
17./39. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2015.10.08} - 6,683 / 188,101
18./12. [3DS] Sumikko Gurashi: Mura o Tsukurundesu (Nippon Columbia) {2016.07.21} - 6,228 / 136,195
19./35. [PS4] Minecraft: Playstation 4 Edition (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2015.12.03} - 5,594 / 156,729
20./37. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2017 (KONAMI) {2016.09.15} - 5,589 / 116,066
21./16. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi / Tempura - Busters T-Pack {Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi \ Yo-Kai Watch 3: Tempura} (Level 5) {2016.12.15} - 5,522 / 38,904
22./23. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} - 5,033 / 2,588,192
23./21. [3DS] Kirby: Planet Robobot (Nintendo) {2016.04.28} - 4,972 / 486,080
24./49. [PS4] Battlefield 1 (Electronic Arts) {2016.10.21} - 4,950 / 243,563
25./17. [WIU] Super Mario Maker (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} - 4,533 / 984,405
26./20. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories (Capcom) {2016.10.08} - 4,472 / 309,007
27./71. [PS4] Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) {2016.12.01} - 4,322 / 17,318
28./61. [PSV] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.22} - 4,267 / 106,649
29./19. [WIU] Splatoon (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} - 4,206 / 1,489,324
30./60. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} - 4,033 / 131,663
30./38. [PS4] Dragonball Xenoverse 2 (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.02} - 3,883 / 105,454
32./51. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} - 3,800 / 1,467,605
33./29. [3DS] Beyblade Burst (FuRyu) {2016.11.10} - 3,594 / 54,355
34./48. [3DS] Monster Strike (Mixi) {2015.12.17} - 3,578 / 966,766
35./33. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} - 3,522 / 1,240,786
36./40. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} - 3,389 / 2,371,633
37./25. [3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design (Takara Tomy) {2016.11.10} - 3,172 / 59,466
38./32. [3DS] Super Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Kyuukyoku no Shinobu to Battle Player Choujou Kessen! (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.09.15} - 3,089 / 57,525
39./27. [3DS] Dragon Ball: Fusions (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.08.04} - 3,011 / 219,513
40./47. [3DS] Tomodachi Life [Nintendo Selects] (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} - 2,967 / 80,736
41./43. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Nintendo) {2016.02.18} - 2,944 / 262,107
42./36. [3DS] All Kamen Rider: Rider Revolution (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.12.01} - 2,917 / 44,116
43./83. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege (Ubisoft) {2015.12.10} - 2,900 / 149,095
44./79. [PS4] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.22} - 2,689 / 97,813
45./56. [3DS] Monster Hunter Generations (Capcom) {2015.11.28} - 2,652 / 2,871,930
46./50. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons X: God Chapter (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2016.07.28} - 2,578 / 122,309
47./78. [PS4] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition (Bethesda Softworks) {2016.11.10} - 2,578 / 55,012
48./28. [WIU] Paper Mario: Color Splash (Nintendo) {2016.10.13} - 2,544 / 71,713
49./59. [3DS] Puyo Puyo Chronicle (Sega) {2016.12.08} - 2,500 / 30,028
50./46. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} - 2,478 / 810,982

SOFTWARE
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| Model | This Week | Week(%)  | FY 2016     | FY(%)   |
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| 3DS   | 504,188   | 62.3%    | 12,431,869  | 50.6%   |
| PS4   | 169,784   | 21.0%    | 6,588,732   | 26.8%   |
| Vita  | 81,720    | 10.1%    | 3,122,193   | 12.7%   |
| Wii U | 41,817    | 5.2%     | 1,346,558   | 5.5%    |
| PS3   | 11,016    | 1.4%     | 1,060,131   | 4.3%    |
| X One | 299       | 0.0%     | 34,223      | 0.1%    |
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| Total | 808,824   | 100.0%   | 24,583,706  | 100.0%  |
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HARDWARE
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| Model | This Week | Week(%)  | FY 2016     | FY(%)   |
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| PS4   | 82,740    | 42.9%    | 1,457,665   | 38.3%   |
| 3DS   | 56,953    | 29.5%    | 1,290,281   | 33.9%   |
| Vita  | 25,434    | 13.2%    | 538,183     | 14.1%   |
| 2DS   | 23,676    | 12.3%    | 297,036     | 7.8%    |
| Wii U | 2,661     | 1.4%     | 183,770     | 4.8%    |
| X One | 660       | 0.3%     | 6,281       | 0.2%    |
| PS3   | 650       | 0.3%     | 33,704      | 0.9%    |
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| Total | 192,774   | 100.0%   | 3,806,920   | 100.0%  |
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*FY 2016 refers to the period from April 1, 2016 through March 31, 2017

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The Wii U sold approximately 1/3 of what it did last year. And the Switch wasn't even a factor for most of it.

That's the kind of power Splatoon had.
 

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PS4 needs to reach close to 4.5m until end of February... if that happens PS3 won't catch it until maybe 2018.

FFXIII + holidays line compares with February PS4 time.
So the PS4 needs to sell about 400K in 8 weeks?... I think it could fall short, but probably not by a lot.

Now that we have MC full-year, here the HW YTD from 2002 to 2016:
As expected total hardware was down compared to last year by almost 900K (HW YTD is declining year after year since 2011).
First time since 2002 where HW YTD is lower than 5 million units.
It's also the first year no hardware sold 2M (3DS was basically there, but still...). Also, it's the highest sales for the second best selling console since 2011.

The Wii U sold approximately 1/3 of what it did last year. And the Switch wasn't even a factor for most of it.

That's the kind of power Splatoon had.
The console was basically out of stock shortly after the 2015 holidays, and Nintendo didn't care to restock. Nintendo actively killed the Wii U in Japan with the higher prices, etc. yet thanks to its software (especially Splatoon), the console still managed 3M compared to the GC's 4M despite putting a lot more effort into the GC in a much better market situation. I honestly think that if Nintendo actually had tried with the Wii U in Japan, it might have sold close to 1M more (aka price cuts instead of price increases, just having stock in 2016, etc.).


Also (late) congrats to:
- PS4 breaking 4M on Famitsu
- Minecraft Vita breaking 1M on MC
- Yakuza 6 breaking 300K (needs to keep going though...)
- Minecraft Wii U breaking 250K retail
- Last Guardian hitting 100K
- Minecraft PS4 hitting 150K

Hoping that the random RE6 re-release sales are indicative of people getting ready for RE7 in January.... kind of doubt it though...
 

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So the PS4 needs to sell about 400K in 8 weeks?... I think it could fall short, but probably not by a lot.
Using MC numbers (sorry Famitsu fans) we are now in Week 150.

Week 150: PS3 3.531.136 / PS4 4.100.667
Week 151: PS3 3.571.096
Week 152: PS3 3.608.634
Week 153: PS3 3.639.530
Week 154: PS3 3.669.761
Week 155: PS3 3.699.738
Week 156: PS3 3.735.799
Week 157: PS3 3.784.724
Week 158: PS3 3.823.222
Week 159: PS3 3.857.974
Week 160: PS3 3.904.532
Week 170: PS3 3.962.314
Week 171: PS3 4.037.400
Week 172: PS3 4.274.486
Week 173: PS3 4.385.005
Week 174: PS3 4.499.373

After that the holidays ends for PS3 and PS4 will enter in April... so I believe PS4 will start to sell more units weekly after Week 175.

If PS4 can cross 4.5m until Week 174 it will comfortable lead the rest of the year.

Edit - Fixed with the right data.
 

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PlayStation Store Rankings (Dec 26 - Jan 1)

PS4
01/00. Battlefield 1 (Electronic Arts) – {21/10/2016} (¥8.424)
02/00. Gravity Rush: Remastered (62% OFF) (Sony Computer Entertainment) – {10/12/2015} (¥1.999)
03/00. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition (Mojang) – {25/12/2014} (¥2.592)
04/00. The Last of Us: Remastered (25% OFF) (Sony Computer Entertainment) – {21/08/2014} (¥3.969)
05/NEW. River City Melee: Battle Royal Special (Arc System Works) – {26/12/2016} (¥1.500)
06/00. Titanfall 2 (Electronic Arts) – {27/10/2016} (¥8.424)
07/00. Steep (Ubisoft) – {22/12/2016} (¥7.128)
08/00. Star War: Battlefront – Ultimate Edition (Electronic Arts) – {19/11/2015} (¥4.104)
09/00. FIFA 17 (Electronic Arts) – {29/09/2016} (¥8.424)
10/00. Earth Defense Force 4.1: The Shadow of New Despair (25% OFF) (D3 Publisher) – {02/04/2015} (¥5.235)
11/00. Grand Theft Auto V (Take Two Interactive Japan) – {11/12/2014} (¥7.193)
12/00. Yakuza 6: The Song of Life (SEGA) – {08/12/2016} (¥8.845)
13/00. Borderlands: The Handsome Collection (Take Two Interactive Japan) – {14/05/2015} (¥6.124)
14/00. Winning Eleven 2017 (40% OFF) (Konami) – {15/09/2016} (¥4.900)
15/00. Final Fantasy XV (Square Enix) – {29/11/2016} (¥9.504)
16/00. Diablo III: Reaper of Souls – Ultimate Evil Edition (Square Enix) – {08/12/2016} (¥4.104)
17/00. Rollercoaster Dreams (COLOLP) – {22/12/2016} (¥2.500)
18/00. Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection (25% OFF) (Sony Computer Entertainment) – {08/10/2015} (¥4.779)
19/00. Touhou Genso Wanderer (Mediascape) – {22/12/2016} (¥6.264)
20/00. Salt and Sanctuary (Ska Studios) – {18/08/2016} (¥1.780)

Vita
01/00. Saki: Zenkoku-hen Plus (25% OFF) (Kaga Create) – {22/12/2016} (¥2.980)
02/00. SaGa: Scarlet Grace (Square Enix) – {15/12/2016} (¥6.980)
03/00. Amagami (EbKore+) (71% OFF) (Kadokawa) – {30/04/2014} (¥1.500)
04/00. Touhou Genso Wanderer (Mediascape) – {22/12/2016} (¥5.616)
05/00. Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition (Mojang) – {29/10/2014} (¥2.592)
06/00. Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization (Bandai Namco) – {27/10/2016} (¥6.588)
07/00. Romancing SaGa 2 (Square Enix) – {24/03/2016} (¥2.200)
08/00. Touhou Koubutou V (Mediascape) – {02/11/2016} (¥3.000)
09/00. SD Gundam G Generation Genesis (Bandai Namco) – {22/11/2016} (¥8.208)
10/00. Dragon Quest Builders (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix) – {01/12/2016} (¥3.218)
11/00. Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 2016 (40% OFF) (Konami) – {27/04/2016} (¥4.480)
12/00. Taiko no Tatsujin: V Version (Welcome Price!) (Bandai Namco) – {01/12/2016} (¥4.104)
13/00. FIFA 15 (Electronic Arts) – {09/10/2014} (¥4.500)
14/00. Jet Set Radio (51% OFF) (SEGA) – {20/02/2013} (¥500)
15/00. God Eater: Resurrection (Bandai Namco) – {29/10/2015} (¥5.627)
16/00. Refrain no Chika Meikyuu to Majo no Ryodan (20% OFF) (Nippon Ichi Software) – {23/06/2016} (¥4.114)
17/00. Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth (Welcome Price!) (Bandai Namco) – {01/12/2016} (¥3.024)
18/10. Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (Bandai Namco) – {24/04/2014} (¥1.728)
19/00. God Eater 2: Rage Burst (Welcome Price!) (Bandai Namco) – {01/12/2016} (¥3.024)
20/00. Asdivine Hearts (Kemco) – {13/12/2016} (¥1.080)

PS3
01/00. Minecraft: PlayStation 3 Edition (Mojang) – {24/06/2014} (¥2.592)
02/00. Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {29/03/2012} (¥500)
03/00. Resident Evil 6 (PlayStation 3 The Best) (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {06/03/2014} (¥1.512)
04/00. Resident Evil: HD Remaster (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {17/09/2015} (¥1.495)
05/00. Winning Eleven 2017 (39% OFF) (Konami) – {15/09/2016} (¥4.300)
06/00. Resident Evil 0: HD Remaster (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {21/01/2016} (¥1.995)
07/00. Lollipop Chainsaw (84% OFF) (Kadokawa) – {09/10/2012} (¥500)
08/00. Virtua Figther 5: Final Showdown (67% OFF) (SEGA) – {06/06/2012} (¥500)
09/00. FIFA 17 (Electronic Arts) – {29/09/2016} (¥8.424)
10/00. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {25/02/2015} (¥1.750)
11/00. Shinning Resonance (PlayStation 3 The Best) (53% OFF) (SEGA) – {12/11/2015} (¥1.500)
12/00. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (51% OFF) (SEGA) – {04/10/2012} (¥500)
13/00. Nights into dreams (51% OFF) (SEGA) – {04/10/2012} (¥500)
14/00. Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {22/01/2013} (¥500)
15/00. Resident Evil: Revelations – Unveiled Edition (PlayStation 3 The Best) (50% OFF) (Capcom) – {26/06/2014} (¥1.495)
16/00. Jikkyo Powerful Pro Baseball 2016 (40% OFF) (Konami) – {27/04/2016} (¥4.480)
17/00. Virtual Hang On (39% OFF) (SEGA) – {13/02/2013} (¥500)
18/00. The House of the Dead 4 (51% OFF) (SEGA) – {19/04/2012} (¥500)
19/00. Space Channel 5: Part 2 (51% OFF) (SEGA) – {05/10/2011} (¥500)
20/00. Dragon Quest Builders (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix) – {01/12/2016} (¥3.780)

Rankings for Dec 19 - Dec 25 were never released.
 

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Ōkami;227780862 said:
15/00. Final Fantasy XV (Square Enix) – {29/11/2016} (¥9.504)
That is why I don't believe FFXV digital reached 50k... to be fair 20-30k is my bet.

Digital in Japan is pretty weak.
 
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02/00. Gravity Rush: Remastered (62% OFF) (Sony Computer Entertainment) – {10/12/2015} (¥1.999)
Oh I like that Gravity Rush Remastered promotion, nice timing here to raise some awareness.

That is why I don't believe FFXV digital reached 50k... to be fair 20-30k is my bet.

Digital in Japan is pretty weak.
Come on, we've been here before :( All those Famitsu digital sales were surveys. We know jackshit about what the digital ratio really is in Japan, for any system. It's around 30% in the West, why should we assume to be much below 10% in Japan ? I think japanese gamers know how to download a game as much as we do.

And if there is a game that certainly did not underperformed digitally, it's FFXV, since Square Enix said the game has broken their record for the most first-day digital sales in Japan. That still does not give us numbers, but that's a fact.
 

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Using MC numbers (sorry Famitsu fans) we are now in Week 150.

Week 150: PS3 3,825,217 / PS4 4.100.667
Week 151: PS3 3,859,969
Week 152: PS3 3.906.497
Week 153: PS3 3.964.279
Week 154: PS3 4.039.395
Week 155: PS3 4.276.480
Week 156: PS3 4.386.999
Week 157: PS3 4,501,368
Week 158: PS3 4.562.958
Week 159: PS3 4.598.114
Week 160: PS3 4.625.080

After that the holidays ends for PS3 and PS4 will enter in March releases... so I believe PS4 will start to sell more units weekly after Week 158.

If PS4 can cross 4.5m until Week 157 it will comfortable get the lead again in two/three week while PS3 will be ahead for these two/three weeks.

Let't see if next week PS4 can hold over 70k.
If the lead of PS4 over PS3 was so smal as you think, with FFXIII coming, PS3 wouldn't just pass it but destroy it.

Current LTDs are these:

PS3 - 3.531.136
PS4 - 4.100.663
DIF - 569.527

These are the sales of PS3 for the next 15 weeks until the end of 2009 (2010.01.03).
PS4 will be at 2017.04.17 at that time.

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|  |  MCreate |  MCreate |
|  |    PS3   |    PS3   |
|Wk|2009.09.21|2009.09.21|
|  |    to    |    to    |
|  |2010.01.03|2010.01.03|
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| 1|    39.960|    39.960|
| 2|    37.538|    77.498|
| 3|    30.896|   108.394|
| 4|    30.231|   138.625|
| 5|    29.977|   168.602|
| 6|    36.061|   204.663|
| 7|    48.925|   253.588|
| 8|    38.498|   292.086|
| 9|    34.752|   326.838|
|10|    46.558|   373.396|
|11|    57.782|   431.178|
|12|    75.086|   506.264|
|13|   237.086|   743.350|
|14|   110.519|   853.869|
|15|   114.368|   968.237|
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In the next 15 weeks PS4 needs to sell 968.237 - 569.527 = 398.710 so that it doesn't fall behind PS3. There is the last big week of the year (let's say 100k) meaning 300k in 14 weeks or 21.500 average per week after holidays.
 

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X/Y vs. Sun/Moon Famitsu
Week 01 - 01./00. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 2.096.050 / NEW <80-100%>
Week 01 - 01./00. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 1.905.107 / NEW <80-100%>

Week 02 - 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 591.025 / 2.687.075 <80-100%> (-72%)
Week 02 - 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 422.346 / 2.327.453 <80-100%> (-78%)

Week 03 - 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 265.984 / 2.953.059 <80-100%> (-55%)
Week 03 - 02./01. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 225.697 / 2.553.150 <80-100%> (-47%)

Week 04 - 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 137.720 / 3.090.779 <80-100%> (-48%)
Week 04 - 02./02. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 181.594 / 2.734.744 <80-100%> (-20%)

Week 05 - 02./01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 89.569 / 3.180.348 <80-100%> (-35%)
Week 05 - 02./02. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 188.648 / 2.923.392 <80-100%> (+4%)

Week 06 - 05./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 64.341 / 3.244.689 <80-100%> (-28%)
Week 06 - 01./02. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 322.830 / 3.246.222 <80-100%> (+71%)

Week 07 - 05./05. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 51.118 / 3.295.807 <80-100%> (-21%)
Week 07 - 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon Sun / Moon - 137.813 / 3.384.035 <80-100%> (-57%)

Week 08 - 02./05. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 60.547 / 3.356.354 <80-100%> (+18%)
Week 09 - 03./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 93.387 / 3.449.741 <80-100%> (+54%)
Week 10 - 02./03. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 139.493 / 3.589.234 <80-100%> (+49%)
Week 11 - 02./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 231.112 / 3.820.346 <80-100%> (+66%)
Week 12 - 04./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 156.483 / 3.976.829 <80-100%> (-32%)
Week 13 - 01./04. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y - 152.888 / 4.129.717 <80-100%> (-2%)
 

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If the lead of PS4 over PS3 was so smal as you think, with FFXIII coming, PS3 wouldn't just pass it but destroy it.

Current LTDs are these:

PS3 - 3.531.136
PS4 - 4.100.663
DIF - 569.527

These are the sales of PS3 for the next 15 weeks until the end of 2010 (2010/01/04).
PS4 will be at 2017.04.17 at that time.

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+--+----------+----------+
|  |  MCreate |  MCreate |
|  |    PS3   |    PS3   |
|Wk|2009.09.21|2009.09.21|
|  |    to    |    to    |
|  |2010.01.03|2010.01.03|
+--+----------+----------+
| 1|    39.960|    39.960|
| 2|    37.538|    77.498|
| 3|    30.896|   108.394|
| 4|    30.231|   138.625|
| 5|    29.977|   168.602|
| 6|    36.061|   204.663|
| 7|    48.925|   253.588|
| 8|    38.498|   292.086|
| 9|    34.752|   326.838|
|10|    46.558|   373.396|
|11|    57.782|   431.178|
|12|    75.086|   506.264|
|13|   237.086|   743.350|
|14|   110.519|   853.869|
|15|   114.368|   968.237|
+--+----------+----------+
In the next 15 weeks PS4 needs to sell 968.237 - 569.527 = 398.710 so that it doesn't fall behind PS3. There is the last big week of the year (let's say 100k) meaning 300k in 14 weeks or 21.400 average per week after holidays.
Where I did wrong in my maths? At least I got the week right??? I guess I got the PS3 numbers for weeks ahead.

Thanks... that means the situation is way better than I expected... with my wrong maths PS4 could lost the lead for two-three weeks but now I can't see that happening this year anymore.

PS. You meant end of 2009 ;)
 

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Oh I like that Gravity Rush Remastered promotion, nice timing here to raise some awareness.



Come on, we've been here before :( All those Famitsu digital sales were surveys. We know jackshit about what the digital ratio really is in Japan, for any system. It's around 30% in the West, why should we assume to be much below 10% in Japan ? I think japanese gamers know how to download a game as much as we do.

And if there is a game that certainly did not underperformed digitally, it's FFXV, since Square Enix said the game has broken their record for the most first-day digital sales in Japan. That still does not give us numbers, but that's a fact.
What Okami posted are not Famitsu estimates but real positions on the PS store.

I think it was Duckroll the one who explained why digital is not as prominent in Japan than in the West. IIRC digital games are more expensive and can't be re-sold and with the importance of the second hand market for Japan makes some titles sell much less digitally (specially RPG like Final Fantasy). Unfortunately I don't think FF XV has sold 100.000 digitally but we should wait for SE to release new shipment numbers.
 

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Thanks Chris1964 I found my mistake.

I just used to think PS3 launched in December but it was November... my data for it was a month ahead of PS4.

4.100.663 is indeed week 150 for PS4
3,825,217 is week 158 for PS3
Thanks... I will fix my post.
 

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If the lead of PS4 over PS3 was so smal as you think, with FFXIII coming, PS3 wouldn't just pass it but destroy it.

Current LTDs are these:

PS3 - 3.531.136
PS4 - 4.100.663
DIF - 569.527

These are the sales of PS3 for the next 15 weeks until the end of 2009 (2010.01.03).
PS4 will be at 2017.04.17 at that time.

Code:
+--+----------+----------+
|  |  MCreate |  MCreate |
|  |    PS3   |    PS3   |
|Wk|2009.09.21|2009.09.21|
|  |    to    |    to    |
|  |2010.01.03|2010.01.03|
+--+----------+----------+
| 1|    39.960|    39.960|
| 2|    37.538|    77.498|
| 3|    30.896|   108.394|
| 4|    30.231|   138.625|
| 5|    29.977|   168.602|
| 6|    36.061|   204.663|
| 7|    48.925|   253.588|
| 8|    38.498|   292.086|
| 9|    34.752|   326.838|
|10|    46.558|   373.396|
|11|    57.782|   431.178|
|12|    75.086|   506.264|
|13|   237.086|   743.350|
|14|   110.519|   853.869|
|15|   114.368|   968.237|
+--+----------+----------+
In the next 15 weeks PS4 needs to sell 968.237 - 569.527 = 398.710 so that it doesn't fall behind PS3. There is the last big week of the year (let's say 100k) meaning 300k in 14 weeks or 21.500 average per week after holidays.


So...
Are the people that think ps4 will not sell similar to ps3 in terms of LTD in japan basing this on..?

Longer life time?
Or better weekly sales?
Or...what?
The latter seems unlikely going with those numbers
 

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XV being at 1 million or not yet is inconsequential as it will ultimately get there. No way it misses including digital in the long run.

Next week will be the test in terms of what legs could truly look like.

Without direct sequels and a new mainline FF at the minimum 4 years off its legs will carry physical sales to over 1 million alone.
 

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That is why I don't believe FFXV digital reached 50k... to be fair 20-30k is my bet.

Digital in Japan is pretty weak.
Digital ratio is depending on many things but a good estimate for PS4 is 10-15% of total sales.
 

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XV being at 1 million or not yet is inconsequential as it will ultimately get there. No way it misses including digital in the long run.

Next week will be the test in terms of what legs could truly look like.

Without direct sequels and a new mainline FF at the minimum 4 years off its legs will carry physical sales to over 1 million alone.
Next week is not the biggest week for PlayStation??? That is what most are saying... expect boost I guess???

So...
Are the people that think ps4 will not sell similar to ps3 in terms of LTD in japan basing this on..?

Longer life time?
Or better weekly sales?
Or...what?
The latter seems unlikely going with those numbers
I never understood too the talk about after FFXIII + holidays PS3 will be ahead even when my math was using wrong data.

PS3 can go ahead after 2018 but for now I can't see that happening in 2017.
 

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XV being at 1 million or not yet is inconsequential as it will ultimately get there. No way it misses including digital in the long run.

Next week will be the test in terms of what legs could truly look like.

Without direct sequels and a new mainline FF at the minimum 4 years off its legs will carry physical sales to over 1 million alone.
Do games like witcher 3 get a bump from highly rated DLC in japan? Maybe that could help it a bit if the DLC for XV is good.
 

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I hope FFXV continues to sell. It's no where near as bad as haters want to argue. I'm just glad that the game is finding an audience. Hopefully SE continues seeing games like FFXV as a worthwhile investment.
 

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Based on what Chris said, this week was the PlayStation wee not next. Hence why ps4 got a very nice hold this week
This week {2016.12.26 - 2017.01.01} being Sony's Week means Sony traditionally has a better hold comparing to Nintendo after Christmas holidays week. Next and final week of holidays {2017.01.02 - 2017.01.08} is bigger for everyone

Next week there are hardware rises for everything and software rises for leggy titles.
 
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What Okami posted are not Famitsu estimates but real positions on the PS store.

I think it was Duckroll the one who explained why digital is not as prominent in Japan than in the West. IIRC digital games are more expensive and can't be re-sold and with the importance of the second hand market for Japan makes some titles sell much less digitally (specially RPG like Final Fantasy). Unfortunately I don't think FF XV has sold 100.000 digitally but we should wait for SE to release new shipment numbers.
Yup I know, I was referring to a previous dicussion :) ethomaz thought the digital sales from Famitsu were real numbers shared by the publishers and I think most of his opinion about the digital sales being awful in Japan came from here.

In reality, I've never seen any official statement from a japanese publisher about the state of the digital sales in Japan. Not a single hint about what the % could be. And that's the huge problem we have when we talk about digital here.

About what you say, I'm not sure digital games are more expensive in Japan than elsewhere and from the PS Store rankings posted here every week by Ôkami we can see there are nice sales too. That leaves us with the japanese love for the second hand market... yeah, I don't know if that's enough to draw any serious conclusion.
 

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&#332;kami;227780862 said:
PlayStation Store Rankings (Dec 26 - Jan 1)
Vita
02/00. SaGa: Scarlet Grace (Square Enix) &#8211; {15/12/2016} (¥6.980)
07/00. Romancing SaGa 2 (Square Enix) &#8211; {24/03/2016} (¥2.200)


Looking forward to December digital estimates. FFXV numbers too.
 

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Next week?

1*: [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥5.700) - 143.514 / 978.374 <60-80%>
2*: [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.12.01} (¥4.700) - 160.016 / 857.246 <40-60%>
 

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What's the best Japan sales archive / database right now? There was a couple of good ones I lost the link to.
 

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Seems like all the bashing and hatred against FFXV has been fruitless :) Quality always prevails in the end and it's great to see that the title recovered so quickly. I imagine SE must be happy with the results considering the marketing and production budgets should be back in their bank very soon with this kind of sales performance. Nothing can stop the #RoadTo1M train anymore and after that is said and done, I can't see why they shouldn't announce the next manifestation of FF very soon.

I think all the predictions about the brand losing its power were always kinda hyperbole and in the end both gamers and SE can be very happy not only about FFXV itself but also that it managed to make a big enough splash that might revive the glorious days of JRPG extravaganza on dedicated videogame machines/PS4.

I imagine Tabata is very happy with FFXV selling better in its 5th week than the already strong FFXIII - at least this is what I love to think when thinking about Tabata walking through the Square Enix headquarter hallways with his trusty dust mop
This is an amazing post.
 

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Yup I know, I was referring to a previous dicussion :) ethomaz thought the digital sales from Famitsu were real numbers shared by the publishers and I think most of his opinion about the digital sales being awful in Japan came from here.

In reality, I've never seen any official statement from a japanese publisher about the state of the digital sales in Japan. Not a single hint about what the % could be. And that's the huge problem we have when we talk about digital here.

About what you say, I'm not sure digital games are more expensive in Japan than elsewhere and from the PS Store rankings posted here every week by Ôkami we can see there are nice sales too. That leaves us with the japanese love for the second hand market... yeah, I don't know if that's enough to draw any serious conclusion.
No, I was saying that digital games are more expensive than their retail counterparts. You can see that it happens with all the PS4 titles (Battlefield 1, Yakuza 6, FF XV...) in the top20 retail list (if you compare them with their digital versions).

Ranking in the XV position (rimshot) is not a good sign for healthy digital sales and believe me, second hand market in Japan is huuuuuuuuge (hiska used to post the numbers and they were enormous) moreso with RPGs not named Pokemon (that's why most of them are so frontloaded). But it'd better if someone living there could give us a better explanation of the actual digital situation in Japan.
 

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Famitsu retail + digital all rereleases

[PS4] Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition - 388.000
[PS4] Grand Theft Auto V - 387.631

These two are the leggy games on PS4, both sold more than 100k last year and could very much do it this year too.

It wouldn't be surprising to see GTA and Minecraft above MGSV someday.

[PS4] Bloodborne - 314.765
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 312.681
[PS4] Battlefield 1 - 296.139

Battlefield 1 should have no problem outselling Battlefield 4 and it didn't need to be sold at 500 yen to do so.

Call of Duty on the other hand.

[PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops III - 384.143
[PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare - 177.376

By now 1 PS4 game has sold more than 900k, 2 have sold more than 500k, 8 have sold more than 400k, 15 have sold more than 300k, 22 more than 200k and about 50 more than 100k.
 

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This week 3DS topped 22m at Famitsu (22.031.261) and outsold PS2 (21.987.405)

The only systems with bigger LTD are DS (32.864.126) and GB (32.430.000)
 

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This week 3DS topped 22m at Famitsu (22.031.261) and outsold PS2 (21.987.405)

The only systems with bigger LTD are DS (32.864.126) and GB (32.430.000)
These DS and GB numbers are crazy for Japan... how is the population there???

Edit - Wiki says ~130m... it is crazy how much these devices sold in a small country.