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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2012 (Feb 27 - Mar 04)
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staticneuron
Member
No, It would be out of character and kill trust with consumers. And it is dumb idea to kill anything that is bringing in money just to force devs to make games for a more expensive platform. For now, the PSP is probably the only reason they can keep the vita on market.
I am still surprised and confused that Sony allowed Monster Hunter to go to the 3DS. Granted Capcom can do what it wants with it's franchise but considering how important it was I guess I expected Sony to do anything to get it to go to the PS Vita considering how it helped the PSP. Then again Nintendo has tons of money that Sony simply might not have given the trouble the company as a whole has.
Still if they knew for a while they couldn't count on it (should have always expected it wouldn't be theirs forever) they should have done something to try to fill the void in some way. This might not be a great example but why not try to adapt something like Everquest into a Phantasy Star Online (which might be the more likely possibility) type game and build from there. It's something Sony owns, a built in fan base at least in the west that they can try to expand to the east. There are already art assets they could use. I wonder how long something like that would take given the resources available to them? Or do SCEA/J not share or talk with SOE?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
The PSP sells for 18,000 yen - i'm going to guess that a hell of a lot of that is profit at this late stage of the game so it's not a great idea for them to kill off the PSP just yet.
sounds like from Iwata that Capcom approached Nintendo quite some time ago. Sony most likely had no idea it was happening. It's Capcom's IP to control, they don't owe Sony a living.
See, that is the problem. It being powerful isn't a draw at all, as we can see by it's current sales.
Of course the price will drop, but it is a matter by how much and how long it will take for that drop to happen. Also will that drop coincide with big software announcements, or will the Vita be getting any big software announcements.
Sony's problem with the Vita is the exact same problems they had with the PS3. Only difference is that developers were already investing in HD development, so the WIi couldn't eat it's lunch like the 3DS is doing for the Vita/PSP/DS.
Lord_Byron28
Member
What is this all about!? A lot of these are clearly not launch titles or prices. On top of Animal Crossing release date?
Or the fact that when anounced Wii was selling at record pace. If they wanted to develop a console DQ Wii was the console with the highest userbase. If they wanted to develop a handheld DQ, DS was the handheld with the highest userbase. Not too mention the Western audience is important to them. If they had released DQ on the PSP it's western sales would be non-existant.
I think people are basing it off of titles like Revelations, Kingdom Hearts, and Monster Hunter going to 3DS which in the past would've gone to PSP.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Didn't they try that back on PS2? Checking Wikipedia, though, it doesn't seem like they even bothered releasing Champions of Norrath or its sequel in Japan.Effect said:
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Indeed , I think to the wider audience they don't really care. But the alternative of a Sony branded machine in the same power bracket as the 3DS brings them even less. It's at least a differentiator of some sort, along with the funky back touch , 3G etc.
again - what evidence is there that the 3DS is eating the PSP's lunch right now? I'm going to go ahead and assume that that stems from MH - it's sold 1.4m, if we say ALL those players were PSP gamers, that leaves 3.6m PSP MH players who have not converted over. Now - when MH4 hits, if Sony haven't got a MH out then they're going to have a problem - but right now i'm not sure there's anything solid out there that suggests PSP players are flocking over to the 3DS. YET.
staticneuron
Member
I highly doubt sales alone is why the software library dried up on PSP. Besides Sony is not going to ignore the Vita like they did the PSP (or so they claim).
Prices is an issue but like said before it isn't the main issue. It's power is the only thing that would save it from being ignored because if it had weaker hardware then people would seriously question 'why this handheld' instead of the 3DS and no amount of exclusive 1st party games would save sony's handheld after that.
Sony has a market they are catering to, they just need to release games so people are more receptive to purchasing the handheld.
I'm not talking about hardware sales, I'm talking about software development. It is plain that the 3DS is getting a lot of software titles that are in the same vein as the software that the PSP got.
frankie_baby
Member
We are talking here about japan and psp software has not dried up yet and i honestly see support lasting longer for it than vita being a small but noticable possibility
BassForever
Member
I wonder if Sony were to announce a Vita revision that had a UMD drive if that would impact sales
Fantastical
Death Prophet
It would impact price and form factor.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That's because they're back to focusing on gamers and not the average Joe or Jane who might be swayed by Nicole Kidman playing Brain Age.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That would be a brlliant idea if the goal was to infuriate those who sold off their PSP collection and began repurchasing games via DD.
frankie_baby
Member
Would probably sell much better
BassForever
Member
I'm assuming that this Vita 2 would be at the current price and the original vita price would drop a bit.
Then I would seriously consider buying a Vita, since I can't let go of my precious UMD collection and refuse to rebuy my games digitally.
I think their sales have definitely picked up very favorably on the PS3 in the past 2-3 years, but at the same time it's still not very comparable because of how frequent their success on the PS2 was. That's something they can't really achieve easily on the PS3 either because of development drawbacks or whatever other reasons.
For example (Famitsu numbers):
That's over 2 million units across 5 different games released in a 3 year period. If we compare that to the PS3, it doesn't really look that great:
BUT. While writing this post, I decided to actually look at the total sales for each yearly set of Tales releases from 2004 onwards, which is when they started releasing PS2 games. The results are interesting I think:
It seems to me that while it looked like Tales got "less popular" post-PS2, Bandai Namco simply managed to diversify the sales instead. It took a while for them to find that the best platforms for the games are the PSP and the PS3.
There's no telling what will happen in the next 4 years, but it's interesting to me that if you look at those numbers, in 2004 to 2007, they released 13 titles and sold 3,539,238 units, while in 2008 to 2011, they released 14 titles and sold 3,566,823 units. That's much, much closer than I would have thought.
frankie_baby
Member
Maybe a rerrible format but its still the format that millions of japanese people bought games on, they'd have been better off with supporting psp umd games and not supporting downloaded games
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I wonder if Vita and Wii will ever cross streams?
I know its a 2003 release in Japan but what happens if you add ToS GCN to that list?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That's extremely reductive, considering that the DS had much, much, much more than that.
Are they even remotely comparable markets? I know plenty like to think so, but as far as handheld gaming devices go, the market has been expanding to let in such devices, not shrinking. Besides, the Vita was already in it deep enough without Apple's help.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Yes, a $499 tablet vs $249 gaming handheld. Perfectly comparable markets.
WiiU is close, new iPad in deep shit?
Sammy Samusu
Member
No, but Apple definitely snatched one of Vita's selling points.
I fear for Wii U, lol. The poor thing can't even render 720p. A mess.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
No, but Apple definitely snatched one of Vita's selling points.
I fear for Wii U, lol. The poor thing can't even render 720p. A mess.
What is that based on?
frankie_baby
Member
Wii is going up vita is going down, give it 2 weeks
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Tech demos from last E3.
It's guaranteed to scale to 1080p, but whether or not it can render that high is another matter. And we do not know.
No, but Apple definitely snatched one of Vita's selling points.
I fear for Wii U, lol. The poor thing can't even render 720p. A mess.
I thought Wii U was standard 1080p
Principate
Saint Titanfall
So very old dev kits, nice....
Sammy Samusu
Member
I meant Wii U tablet (thought that was obvious).
It wont be a matter of whether it can or can't but rather what developers will choose. Rumors point to at least 32mb EDRAM though, which would allow either 1080p in a single pass or 720p w/MSAA
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I think it will be okay as long as Nintendo doesn't amp up the price too high. The TV/tablet combo will suffice at $300 to $400.
I was trying to keep it simple seeing as we're not in the tech speculation thread.
When I said MH-ify, I meant to try to get One Piece on Vita as a popular franchise to drive sales.
grimshawish
Banned
Look the WiiU is going to see big changes. Only thing that will look the same as the reveal will be its basic idea of having a screen for a controller.
Outside of MH and FF, what were the biggest PSP games? What were the biggest games before MH caught fire?
As long as the 3DS can handle the type of games that PSP had, I don't see any incentive for 3rd party devs to develop for Vita. Japanese gamers have shown that increased video quality/power doesn't mean anything to them (DQ on DS, MHTri on Wii) so why would any dev give up an established userbase and a less expensive platform to develop for?
So where does that leave Sony? They'll have to rely on 1st party and I don't think any of their franchises are system sellers besides GT.
It's really disheartening cause I do like devs making use of the best tech available
As long as the 3DS can handle the type of games that PSP had, I don't see any incentive for 3rd party devs to develop for Vita. Japanese gamers have shown that increased video quality/power doesn't mean anything to them (DQ on DS, MHTri on Wii) so why would any dev give up an established userbase and a less expensive platform to develop for?
So where does that leave Sony? They'll have to rely on 1st party and I don't think any of their franchises are system sellers besides GT.
It's really disheartening cause I do like devs making use of the best tech available
Biggest non-MH and non-FF games on PSP:
Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker - 791,577
Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep - 733,248
Phantasy Star Portable - 636,973
God Eater - 617,828
Phantasy Star Portable 2 - 590,527
These are the only non-MH and non-FF games which sold over 500k.
The biggest games before MH caught fire (I'm going to define this as when MHP2 came out, which when the series exploded):
Minna no Golf Portable - 399,257
Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops - 358,277
Brain Trainer Portable - 297,816
Dynasty Warriors - 286,274
SD Gundam G-Generation Portable - 278,702
Ridge Racers - 273,521
Minna no Golf Portable (The Best) - 270,907
These are the only ones which sold more than 250k before MHP2 was released. Minna no Golf Portable and Ridge Racers were PSP launch titles. Dynasty Warriors came out the week after launch.
List of best selling PSP games. Most were released in the past few years. I think MHP2G was mainly the beginning of the PSP revival.
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2010-12-01 Monster Hunter Portable 3rd 4,502,446
2008-03-27 Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G 2,452,111
2007-02-22 Monster Hunter Portable 2nd 1,720,397
2008-10-30 Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (BEST) 1,110,614
2008-12-18 Dissidia: Final Fantasy 902,398
2007-09-13 Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII 809,825
2010-04-29 Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 790,053
2010-01-09 Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep 733,248
2011-10-27 Final Fantasy Type-0 696,428
2005-12-01 Monster Hunter Portable 668,964
2008-07-31 Phantasy Star Portable 633,954
2010-02-04 God Eater 617,828
2009-12-24 Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (BEST Reprint) 592,747
2009-12-03 Phantasy Star Portable 2 590,527
2010-08-26 Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airu Village 548,968
2011-03-03 Dissidia: 012 (Duodecim) Final Fantasy 461,086
2010-10-28 GOD EATER BURST 436,158
2008-11-20 Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam 415,891
2010-12-23 When you fall in love with idle AKB1/48 ... 410,673
2004-12-12 Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 399,161
2011-04-14 Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Wars Z: Hakai-hen 398,017
2009-12-03 Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam NEXT PLUS 394,953
2009-02-26 Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid 384,336
2011-02-24 Phantasy Star Portable 2: Infinity 373,309
2008-05-29 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 3 362,087
2011-10-06 AKB1/48: Idol to Guam de Koishitara... 362,059
2006-12-21 Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops 358,277
2007-09-20 Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus 355,916
2010-07-29 Hatsune Miku: Project Diva 2n 341,663
2011-02-24 SD Gundam G Generation: World 336,699
2011-06-16 Little Battler Xperience 324,204
2009-01-29 Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 317,730
2007-05-10 Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions 301,796I don't think it should be too surprising.
One Piece (as a whole) has been getting bigger and bigger.
ouch...so the biggest 1st party is already out for Vita...
All of those other games can be done on 3DS... hopefully not all the devs go for the safe money route
oldie-newbie
Member
One piece a system seller, who would have thought.. Congrats to the PS3!
Nope, this is due only to the bundles golden PS3-One Piece !