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Mention of 'high fidelity VR' disappears from Xbox Scorpio website
- Thread starter Hoo-doo
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GHG
Member
"It was going to be shit anyway"
If they do move away from it I'm pretty sure it's because VR hasn't taken off in the way some hoped. Scorpio is more than capable of playing VR games, but it doesn't make sense to lead with it. Spend your resources elsewhere on areas which are guaranteed growth then re-assess the situation with VR as it unfolds.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Well, if Sony aren't using it then why not?
Dirtyshubb
Member
Really don't understand the comments like "you can't do good vr on the tech" considering PSVR is really good on a standard ps4 and great on a PS4 pro so would be even better on the Scorpios specs.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Hmm, they still mention VR in the video just above that text, maybe it's just not ready for 'Holiday 2017'.
Sidewinder
Member
Well we'll have to wait for some official word on this matter. E3 is still so far away though ;(
If they scrap VR altogether I'll be pretty disappointed. The more VR support there is, the better for all VR users.
Meanwhile I'm having a blast with PSVR.
If they scrap VR altogether I'll be pretty disappointed. The more VR support there is, the better for all VR users.
Meanwhile I'm having a blast with PSVR.
doesn't really count as PSVR is proprietary. could be mistaken but i thought the idea with scorpio VR was to be able to plug any pc HMD into the system with no problems
As I said, none of the MS partner HMDs actually worked at CES.
Working prototypes of all existing VR solutions were demonstrated well over a year before their release.
Alx
Member
To be fair there's no way to be sure what exactly "the idea with scorpio VR was" since all we knew about it were the handful of words that disappeared. Support for Oculus/Vive are just speculations, and support for recently announced Win10 headsets is just a logical assumption but nothing official either.
They may have estimated (with good reasons) that inside-out tracking is not reliable enough for showfloor environments, when it may be fine for a regular desktop. As I said, we don't have enough info to jump to conclusions. But we will soon, with the first deadlines of their initial roadmap that will or won't be met.
Neuromancer
Member
If there's no VR for this thing, my interest in it just took a nose dive. Hopefully this was just a mistake.
LelouchZero
Member
Risky.
geordiemp
Member
PSVR has reprojection, games run at 60 FPS.
Occulus is 1440p and 90 FPS - this requires a BEEFY CPU as well as GPU.
Ps4 could not run occulus spec. Ps4 pro would struggle probably due to CPU.
No VR could mean no Occulus deal OR / AND no ZEN CPU
same for me. It was really disappointing to me.
Spider_Jerusalem
Member
Just took this screenshot from the Wayback Machine (dated october) for reference.
SomedayTheFire
Member
They weren't going to release anything VR anyway. We knew that. They were partnering with Oculus and others.
MilkyJoe
Member
Just took this screenshot from the Wayback Machine (dated october) for reference.
Appears they dropped the "all" from Xbox games as well...
Backfoggen
Banned
This sucks. I was looking forward to console VR with good tracking which PSVR doesn't provide.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
I doubt this, as the leaked document is from July 2016 and it says the Scorpio is the 6tflops machine MS said at E3 in June 2016. The disappointment people had with that document was because they were believing GAF rumours of an undisclosed power increase since E3, or were hoping for a CPU based on technology releasing in 2018. Strange thing is, if people did believe in a power increase sometime after the Scorpio announcement, why does a July 2016 document suddenly shake their belief? lol
wapplew
Member
Just took this screenshot from the Wayback Machine (dated october) for reference.
The FIRST and ONLY console to enable XXXX that not even out yet.
Ms marketing department is really good.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Boys were dreaming too big.
Also dropped "The FIRST and ONLY console" after they realize they ain't either. LOL.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Well, PS4 Pro had some games running native 4k right?
was it ever promoted as oculus capable?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yes. Back tracking like champs.
DangerMouse
Member
Yup. They can't really claim that anymore since the Pro already does it on a decent number of games.
PodcastFips
Member
I nominate you for worst post of January. VR is only dead to people who never tried it, so get out of your comfort zone maybe.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I proudly accept this nomination. VR is indeed dead to those who have never tried it, and they never will try it anytime soon. And neither will anyone care to make games for something that the public hasn't tried. The store demo units are long gone to the backburner, and never will the audience ever get a chance to try it.
Do you have a list of people who've tried VR? Is it a big list? Millions? How many of those plan to buy VR? How many already own it? How many of those VR units are collecting VR dust? How many games are being made for VR? How many of those VR owners will buy those games?
VR, in 2016, was treated as a gimmick, whether you like it or not. It was a race to declare yourself the first in VR. VR as a tech isn't dead and should not be dead as it's a great tech, but VR in gaming is stale. VR, in 2017, looks just as stale. No new hardware will come forth, and should come forth. First-party needs to take initiative in making great VR titles, and they're not showcasing anything that makes me go dust off VR. No new VR hardware will be made, which means PSVR's low fidelity will always stay there.
Sony is the king of letting accessories rot. KING. MS has no reason to compete with a rot. Bundling an already flawed tech (PSMove) didn't help the cause either.
Alx
Member
No, the links between MS and Oculus never mentioned Scorpio, the only official parts of their "deal" together was the bundling of an Xbox controller with PC Rift and the streaming of Xbox games to the Oculus theater app.
Most people (me included) speculated on a scorpio support, especially since the items above seemed too anecdotal for a major deal, but there was nothing confirmed about it.
geordiemp
Member
It was strongly inferred, was there not a Fallout 4 guy and Occulus around at the E3 and touted in some way ? I Cant remember, no doubt someone will watch that E3 again.
This is where the high expectations came from, an Occulus capable console would be a friggin beast. I have 2 PS4 pro, but would be interested in this level of console whch would be a next gen step IMO (Witcher 3 at 1080p60 on console yes please).
CrimsonEclipse
Member
No, lol. MS never mentioned anything about what kind of VR headset to expect nor has anyone else.
Dandy Lyin
Member
Poor Microsoft.
Movalpolos
Banned
And so begins the back-peddling on promises in classic MS fashion.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Expected as much
anothertech
Member
'Fortunately we have a product if you want VR, and that's called the PC'
General Lee
Member
I guess this just means MS won't have supported VR glasses ready when Scorpio launches. It does look like VR development is slower than expected. VR needs to get a lot cheaper and easy to use before it gets out of this tech demo limbo it's in now. The major issue in terms of software is that current AAA titles don't convert to VR easily or at all due to the controller locomotion/camera control causing nausea. If VR can't solve these issues other than with janky teleport movement it'll be relegated to just a gimmick like Kinect.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Is Fallout 4 coming to Oculus? I thought they'd announced it for Vive, isn't Zenimax currently suing Oculus? Fallout 4 VR for Scorpio would maybe hint at multiple VR partners...
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Something bad happened to Oculus?
most assuredly a "vive exclusive" at this point. but it'll be playable on oculus as well, worst case scenario you'll have to use a mod
7DollarHagane
Banned
Holy shit, what a spot on gif reply.
VR looking less viable all the time. This is.minor, but I'm saying as a whole.
Auto-Reply
Member
Their image is tainted on a few fronts, question is if the "small VR userbase/community" cares enough so that it hurts them. They have sold the least out of the 3 big VR HMDs, not sure if it's because of that but maybe it is (?)
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