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Metal Gear Solid V's Disturbing Scenes Must 'Go to the Limit'
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AuthenticM
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Can't wait to play the game. Only two more weeks
styl3s
Member
That scene drained me emotionally and physically. It also left me scarred.
crazyrabbits
Banned
We're hitting Molyneux levels of hyperbole here. Let the game sell itself.
FrankWza
Member
Crash the gaaaaa-aaaaates.
semiconscious
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FrankWza
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The Silver
Member
c'mon - everything annoyed old snake!...
exactly
It's ok, just take a look at this and you will be back in (new gameplay footage) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4Iy2_zOVo&list=UU6yzV_xgKn8r77FkcmZyMSg&feature=c4-overview
Yoda
Member
Eh it could be, the cages they were in looked awfully similar to the one Chico is in. The only nono is he has the prosthetic arm and shit in his head, but those injuries could happen before GZ ends.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I don't get it. What "limit" did Breaking Bad push? The limit of mediocre TV writing, maybe?* Sure. But I doubt that this is what he's talking about. Breaking Bad isn't renowned for pushing limits of edginess, FFS. Whatchoo talkin' about, Kojima?
* Edit: some people misunderstood and it's probably my fault for not being clear, I meant that BB's writing is so good that it makes most TV writing seem mediocre now, instead of average. If that makes sense...
Altered Juice
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damn, i always knew he was one sick puppy!
The Silver
Member
GZ ends with the reason why BB is in a coma and wants revenge, robo arm comes after he wakes up in Phantom Pain.
Yoda
Member
Melting a human being in a bath tub - 2008
Blowing up a nursing home - 2011
Remember this isn't HBO its cable T.V. so the ceiling is lower.
That will happen AFTER GZ, also GZ is way too short for that all to happen. 100% sure we won't see this in Ground Zeroes.
The Silver
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legacyzero
Banned
This-
And this.
There are some things I will never understand why people get offended by in a video game.
But if it's meaningless, what vision are you really trying to convey? Shock for the sake of shock?
It's ok, just take a look at this and you will be back in (new gameplay footage) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4Iy2_zOVo&list=UU6yzV_xgKn8r77FkcmZyMSg&feature=c4-overview
The gameplay looks great. It's the story that's turning me off.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I am 100% pro better writing tackling difficult topics in video games.
I have seen NOTHING from Kojima that gives me faith in his ability to do so with Metal Gear Solid. I am really bracing myself for hot garbage in the story department.
I have seen NOTHING from Kojima that gives me faith in his ability to do so with Metal Gear Solid. I am really bracing myself for hot garbage in the story department.
A lot of the horror genre is based on the fact that shock is thrilling and enjoyable to experience.
Shock value is entertaining, to a degree.
Yoda
Member
Or poisoning a kid to trick someone into helping him?
Or murdering a single mother?
Not going to list the entire series in one reply
Yoda
Member
Eh perhaps, but I still I'm sure it involves something horrific happening to kids, its def the controversial aspect of the game that Kojima started eluding to early on.
On a side note are there other games which you can freely kill children? I can't seem to think of any.
How is BB pushing the limit of mediocre TV writing? Assuming you meant raising the bar for what is considered mediocre on TV.
The Silver
Member
you can in the old Fallout games
The little sisters in Bioshock for one.
It can't be any worse than MGS4, so.
XANDER CAGE
Member
MGS4's story is supremely dumb but it's not really offensive or tryhard. It's more just messy and sappy.
You haven't seen the red band trailer for MGSV, have you?
I enjoy the stories in MGS games for how over the top and crazy they get, which is why I think it's too bad that Kojima is suddenly taking the series into a more disturbing direction that just seems to try too hard.
He is not doing it for the sake of it. He has a story to tell and it happens that showing those scenes perfectly depict what he is trying to tell us.
Video games are video games. It's not real, so no scene should be labeled as "controversial" because that's what movies are doing for years. Pressing buttons doesn't make this any worse or more real. Anyone who's boycotting this because of the level of gore, should better be someone who's applying this behaviour to everything in life. Hypocrisy... and stuff.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Just like when his characters poop and pee all over themselves
giancarlo123x
Banned
I liked the one gaffer that made a Trojan horse theory, I still see it going that way.
You can tell child soldiers will be a big focus. I kind of hope Kojima goes all out, and has them as enemies. Easily startled, trigger happy children actually work from a gameplay perspective (wow, how fucked up does that sound?). But, in a series such as Metal Gear Solid, it'll be interesting to see how people approach combating child soldiers. You could obviously go the stealth route, tranq them, or be an evil, sadistic murder.
polyh3dron
Banned
Prepare for the wrath of the console gaming puritans.
shut the fuck up
Pretty fucked up.
If we can recruit child soldiers, and, like in Peace Walker, play as members of our army, then we might be able to play as child soldiers themselves, which would be pretty controversial.
nckillthegrimace
Member
I'm going to guess that
Paz and/or Chico are burned to death.
I read a theory on this on GAF that really stuck with me as possibly being the gross violent thing; that while the bomb is out of Paz, they didn't realize one was in Chico. Boom.
But will the story be (more) try hard (than previous attempts) or just Kojima's marketing push?
I bet he coud've sold MGS3 torture scenes and MGS4 Beauty&Beast sappy ridiculous stories just as dramatically, had social networks been as strong and controversies as sweet a reward.
Oh look how edgy you are.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Considering the only time that kojima wrote better than a high schooler it was misunderstood by the masses, this is going to be terrible, hamfisted, and win GAF GOTY three times.
giancarlo123x
Banned
This is the Trojan horse theory I was speaking about. I see this happening. Chico will probably be next to Big Boss and by the time he realizes what the deal is it's too late.
polyh3dron
Banned
Breaking Bad has its main protagonist do some really awful shit while still expecting its audience to remain engaged with the show. I'm guessing Ground Zeroes is really when Big Boss "turns heel" so to speak, or becomes an anti-hero and Kojima wants to to stay with Big Boss on this journey even though he's making you do a lot of bad things. That's my guess.
footfunghi
Member
seems like these games are made especially for you
Couldn't agree more. He has an idea he wants to share and he is doing it. While words can suffice to explain his idea, sometimes a different form of art is required to further demonstrate that idea. To him and many others, specific scenes with the perfect music composition would guarantee the outcome that the writer is trying to portray. We all perceive things differently, the more you show the better we understand (in general). Sometimes it is hard to have others see and appreciate things the way one does, if something specific needs to be done to have the audience's attention regarding that specific matter then be it, do it and we will listen.
I see no harm whatsoever in having a writer express his thoughts freely. I hope his actions encourage other writers in the industry to follow the same pattern.
I'm sure he does, but the logic he's presenting in the interview makes it sound like he has to push this arbitrary boundary (implied to be of shock or something) to push the medium forward.
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