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Mexico i love you but WTF?
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la flama blanca
Banned
A lot of our own police officers and lawmakers are under the cartels dime. I honestly think we should declare war on those cartels and be done with it.
Cause our governors are more concerned about keeping the US happy than keeping their countrymen happy.JGS said:
Also there's a say here "A rio revuelto ganancia de pescadores" all of this chaos keeps the attention away from the polititians own dirty work, they keep getting richer by literally doing nothing while the country is distracted either by these news or soup operas and celebrity gossip, sad but true.
alterno69 said:
How much choice do they have? The US exerts huge pressure on Mexico. If Mexico legalized drugs, I think the US would have a major problem with that, and would absolutely throw its weight around to get that changed.
Quixzlizx said:
You've stopped making sense or valid points. Name calling (or attempted, calling me a commie doesn't bother me) means our bit of the conversation is done. Feel free to keep all attempts at justifying and normalizing exploitation and suffering to yourself from here on out.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
My solution for the crisis in Mexico:
Build a highway over the Darien Gap
All of the cartels in Mexico will unite to fight against the cartels in South America
?????
Profit
Build a highway over the Darien Gap
All of the cartels in Mexico will unite to fight against the cartels in South America
?????
Profit
I used to work for a gaming company.
Shortly after they opened a Casino in Mexico the regional Cartel asked for money and the Casino Manager said no.... A week later the Narcos decapitated several security guards.
After that the company decided to leave Mexico for good. =/
Shortly after they opened a Casino in Mexico the regional Cartel asked for money and the Casino Manager said no.... A week later the Narcos decapitated several security guards.
After that the company decided to leave Mexico for good. =/
That's their MO, you open a succesful bussines you have to pay a monthly fee for "protection". I know for a fact the police has a record of every place and the amount they pay but since people are afraid they keep their mouth shut. That's why i stay as far away from night clubs and casinos as possible, i'm pretty sure those are the narcos favorite places to hang out. They have shitloads of money to spend after all.Fersis said:
It was pretty crazy because they threw the heads inside the Casino while it was open to public.alterno69 said:
Scary stuff.
Craziest thing was the police advice: Pay them or leave.
The Casino owners were scared as hell so they decided to return to Argentina.
Adent said:
No, thank you. Death penalty doesn't solve shit, as you should know from the countries that currently enforce it. It would only lead up to yet more deaths in the state the country is in.
For what it's worth, Mexico City is still pretty safe and I love my country, but there are far too may people and money involved on the ongoing war for anyone but the general population to want it to stop.
magicstop said:
Communism is where your viewpoint logically ends. You're crying because the United States has more economic leverage than Mexico. The only way to end this situation is the voluntary or forced equalization of the economic leverage of the two countries, i.e. Communism.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a young leftist who doesn't quite understand that geopolitics and the worldwide economic and financial system don't magically align themselves on a moral axis, and that political/economic/military capital is required to effect changes.
Fernando Rocker
Banned
Video of the act of terrorism:
http://excelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_nota=763941
It took the fucking scumbags three minutes to cause this tragedy.
http://excelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_nota=763941
It took the fucking scumbags three minutes to cause this tragedy.
njean777
Member
magicstop said:
How is it our problem that mexico is suffering? We buy the drugs, but we are not keeping the cartel in power. The Mexican population is by not fighting them. The country may be poor, but so were we when we fought against Great Britain.
magicstop said:
The general population is not a minority in Mexico, there are more non cartel members in mexico, A lot more. If they wanted to end the cartel they would by rising up and fighting them.
It doesn't really matter if we have a huge problem with that, does it? Trade couldn't even be affected at this point in time. It's the best opportunity to push for legalality because it is far more likely to pass in mexico than it ever will in the US (With some state exceptions).magicstop said:
What did the US do when alcohol was legal in Canada? I would assume nothing.
Quite frankly, I think it's crazy to run your country based on what political pressure another country throws your way unless war is a possibility...which in this case, it's not.
Operations
Member
Common misconception. Mexican migration to the US has slowed down to a trickle thanks to expanding economic and educational opportunities: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html?ref=mexicoLuCkymoON said:
Fernando Rocker
Banned
njean777 said:
We don't have guns. There are no gun stores in México like in the USA.
Johnlenham
Member
njean777 said:
What the.. I dont even..
FunkyPajamas
Member
We used to have a similar problem back in the 80s-90s in Colombia. People got fed up with it and we decided to make a difference and voted for the best president our country has ever had (in my opinion). He was not afraid to take the war to the drug cartels, terrorists and kidnappers. It took a while and I'm sure many soldiers and policemen gave their lives to make our country a better place to live. Things aren't perfect down here but they sure have improved.
I hope you guys get to figure things out and make your beautiful country a nice place to visit once again.
I hope you guys get to figure things out and make your beautiful country a nice place to visit once again.
Fernando Rocker
Banned
FunkyPajamas said:
Our current President (God bless him) is the first one to declare war to those scumbags. I'm very proud of him... best President we have had in decades.
la flama blanca
Banned
Yeah, Colombia can still be dangerous, but MUCH has improved. Mexico needs this desparately.FunkyPajamas said:
Mr. B Natural
Member
It's not up to other countries to keep the corruption to a minimum. It's not up to other countries to keep other businesses, legal or not in check and in control. Exporting goods, legal or not, doesn't change that fact.Zeke said:
But then again, that's exactly what is going to happen, if mexico is lucky. And America will be the bad guys regardless.
njean777
Member
Johnlenham said:
How are you confused, America during the revolution was poor, and we overtook Britain. Hell after the war, America was very poor for awhile. We succeeded to back the war financially by militiamen and patriotic donations. We also delayed soldier payments, its common knowledge to know this about the American Revolution. The poor rose up and defeated the super power.
Mexico could do the same and rise up against the cartels, take them down and make their lives better. I know its not all that easy, but Its not our responsibility to always help countries, in the past we have had a history of doing this (which I disagree with), but right now we can not do it financially, our nation needs tended to.
Zeke said:
Nope I just know the history of it just like any american should, not my problem if you do not. Also who cares if we buy the drugs? If the cartels disappeared we would just get it from somewhere else, we only buy from them due to the easy access. If the Mexican population rose up and defeated them, we would just buy drugs from elsewhere.
Mr. B Natural said:
That mentality completely ignores our internal and external influence within Mexico and the responsibility it potentially bears.
njean777 said:
What the HELL are you talking about? You're honestly comparing modern day Mexico and it's dynamics with the American fucking Revolution?
Necronomikon
Member
I feel your grief dude, and I know what you're saying.
Here in my country (El Salvador) we live in constant fear and uneasiness because of all the violence and corruption there is. I mean, there was a rumor that spread two years ago where the "maras" (or cholos IDK) said they were going to make random attacks at different random places so that you SHOULDN'T walk in the streets at the hours and dates pointed or else! And I kid you not, the streets were desolated and it's incredible to think that small groups of armed fucked up people can terrorize an entire country! Even the army set foot in the situations, and they have been killed by those same people.
They have found barrels filled with money ($800,000 to $3,000,000) which are obviously from narcos and the situation gets worse every day that passes.
The lowest for this country in recent time, was last year when felons set a mini bus on fire... WHILE PEOPLE WERE STILL IN IT!!... God that was a really sad day... and the stories from the relatives of those who got killed were devastating.
Anyway... this is third world countries reality dudes... awful awful reality =(
Here in my country (El Salvador) we live in constant fear and uneasiness because of all the violence and corruption there is. I mean, there was a rumor that spread two years ago where the "maras" (or cholos IDK) said they were going to make random attacks at different random places so that you SHOULDN'T walk in the streets at the hours and dates pointed or else! And I kid you not, the streets were desolated and it's incredible to think that small groups of armed fucked up people can terrorize an entire country! Even the army set foot in the situations, and they have been killed by those same people.
They have found barrels filled with money ($800,000 to $3,000,000) which are obviously from narcos and the situation gets worse every day that passes.
The lowest for this country in recent time, was last year when felons set a mini bus on fire... WHILE PEOPLE WERE STILL IN IT!!... God that was a really sad day... and the stories from the relatives of those who got killed were devastating.
Anyway... this is third world countries reality dudes... awful awful reality =(
Mr. B Natural
Member
You're completely ignoring the fact that mexico sells their shit to us willingly and lovingly. Buying drugs doesn't cause people to die, that's bs republican fox news bullshit. If money makes somebody corrupt, no matter how they got that money, if they sold it internally or externally or to aliens on mars. If they sold 5 minute rice, pokemon or drugs. It all results in money. Money is power. If power becomes corrupt, you shut that shit down. If you don't, don't cry to the people buying the product and point fingers.magicstop said:
If Microsoft became corrupt and started corrupting america's government and killing people, it wouldn't be anyone's fault no matter how many XBoxes, and Windows 7's they sold around the planet. It would be America's issue and something that occurred under our nose. This didn't happen over night. The system has been corrupt in mexico for years and now the food left on the table, being munched on by all the corrupt fleas and rodents while everyone was feeding off their crumbs, is stinking up the place.
You can say that it's our government's responsibility to fight against illegal drugs, which we actually did and are doing, but then again such a thread would be shat on by liberal gaf.
If America dictated policy to mexico, I would see your point. But we tried and failed. Mexico wanted to be left alone, which is fine, but then you gotta do the dirty work that america usually does.
To be clear, I think it would be best for the policies to match and I lean toward keeping drugs illegal on both sides. Also, some have clarified that this president is actually decent whereas I was getting the impression that there has been no success. If that's the case, the night is darkest just before dawn.magicstop said:
However, our influences should have little to do with sovreignty and if a particular country wants more help from a country, they shouldn't really expect it without some loss of that sovreignty.
To take a more selfish slant, what's in it for the US to bend to Mexico's problems if the expectation is to help them?
Mr. B Natural said:
Go listen to some of the videos and accounts of farmers being exploited for their products to be exported to the US; go listen to the workers who are exploited, subjected to slave wages, and ultimately suffer hugely all for the NAFTA and the US's benefit. Tell me they are fucking lovingly selling their stuff.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
FunkyPajamas said:
Uribe, right? Man was a good President, he stopped taking shit from FARC (who had essentially been given their own piece of the country) and didn't take any crap from Chavez who kept trying to meddle in Colombian affairs.
njean777
Member
JGS said:
Because most liberals will say its the nice thing to do since we are a super power, but forget the fact that our country is slowly crumbling also due to debt. But its ok to send our army and such to help mexico and spend even more money then we are already wasting across the world flexing our military power.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
njean777 said:
You do realize that it's practically impossible to acquire guns legally in Mexico? What do they fight the cartels with? Sticks and stones?
Twilight Princess
Member
I don't think there is oil in mexico ?bengraven said:
Mr. B Natural said:
I'm not one to blame America for our own problems, but when tons of drugs worth millions and millions of dollars get illegally to your country through your own borders, yeah, I'd say it is also your problem. Nevermind the guns that the US sell illegally to drug cartels or even the ones that they supply "legally".
Violence happens over here, corruption as well, many many problems carried by years of mismanagement and issues of national identity not connected to the US, but seriously, some people should stop acting like the amount of money US consumers pay for drugs isn't part of the problem.
Twilight Princess said:
Funnily enough, there is. A lot.
Fernando Rocker
Banned
Necronomikon said:
The Army finds millions of dollars very often in drug cartels security houses.
Over $200,000,000:
Huge marijuana field the Army just found last month:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
In Baja and along the Gulf of Mexico, isn't there?Twilight Princess said:
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
Twilight Princess said:
Oh no. There's plenty of it down there.
njean777
Member
Evening Musuko said:
Not our problem, shouldn't have took the guns away from citizens and let these criminals come into power. They could overturn the gun laws and let the population protect themselves by buying some. Obviously its an extreme case, but this is what can happen when the population is not allowed to freely have guns.
Fernando Rocker
Banned
Twilight Princess said:
Mexico has tons of oil.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Uribe, yes. I'm sad he is no longer our president since there's still some corruption and violence. Hopefully the Colombian people can keep electing better presidents each time to gradually make our country a better place to live.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
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