MasterCornholio
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Thats up to the CAT to decide. I've heard mixed arguments about them.
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Thats up to the CAT to decide. I've heard mixed arguments about them.
DeepEnigma
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Oooh, "compelling," I'll bite.
What's so "compelling" about said points they made?
Wulfer
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And that's the only way they use them, again they blew it!
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Negotiator101
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It's my opinion, let's see what the CAT makes of said points shall we?
DeepEnigma
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Explain your opinion. You did not explain why you find them "compelling."
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Kilau
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They only had their PS3 and PS4 games to put on the service. The thing MS did different was bundle Xcloud into game pass. Sony has had a cloud app on PC for a long time it’s just the library isn’t good. Apple also doesn’t allow game streaming on iOS.
For Xcloud I have to use a custom safari bookmark. Maybe the same on android, not sure.
PaintTinJr
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As gaffers our starting point for all Cloud gaming is that it is shit.
When you subtract the default view, how shit was it in comparison to any other shit cloud offering? Was it just that they couldn't get "compelling games" at a good rate? Or at any price when one company was playing takeaway from buying a high profile multiplatform publisher - and looking to buy ATVI too - and then took away games from others?
The facts remain that Microsoft had power over stadia from vertical effects from their primary monopoly and their actions with Zenimax games.
Wulfer
Member
You proved my point, Sony had the time to make better choices.
Oh and this too...
How to setup Xcloud on Apple devices
Don't come in here tell me Sony didn't have the time or ability to make this work when they had 51% of the console market share. No, Sony doesn't get that pass for being stupid!
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Kilau
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You just linked to the exact thing I said I did. I also wasn't debating your point, I was saying they had limited content for a long time, I'm not sure what more they could have feasibly done nor am I making excuses for them.
Wulfer
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My point was Sony didn't want to share. They wanted it all and they wanted to bloody MS's nose while taking it all. Greed, is a powerful enemy when it takes control of what your trying to accomplish. Now, Sony's trying to convince others and play the "we can't complete card" to win Symphony with the regulators.
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DeepEnigma
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Nobody wants streaming, majority wise. But these corporations will bulldoze it onto gaming and play the death by 1,000 cuts long game like they did with MTX.
And one of the largest corporations who owns one of the largest infrastructures with upwards of 70% of the market already, will be the one to do that. And boy do they want to be the monopoly like their OS.
No matter how much of a fanatical teet sucker you are, you should drop the corpo goo gobbling and always push back against the "you will own nothing and like it" WEF future. Not even native gaming digital versions at that point.
And one of the largest corporations who owns one of the largest infrastructures with upwards of 70% of the market already, will be the one to do that. And boy do they want to be the monopoly like their OS.
No matter how much of a fanatical teet sucker you are, you should drop the corpo goo gobbling and always push back against the "you will own nothing and like it" WEF future. Not even native gaming digital versions at that point.
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Topher
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Console market share? What is with trying to insert Sony back into this? Amazon and Nvidia are bigger players in cloud than Sony.
Topher
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Sony wanted all of what? Cloud?
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Dick Jones
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Sony fans would benefit by a strong MS, but not at the cost of weakening Sony. When MS fuck up ABK in 10 years like they did Halo, do they get free reign to take Capcom, Take 2 and EA off Sony so it can make MS strong?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bit of a weird statement you got here.
Xbox fans would also benefit from a strong Sony but not at the cost of weakening Xbox. Therefore they shouldn't make any exclusivity deals, going by your word.s
Edmund
Member
Again with this horseshit. Xbox is free to make exclusivity deals like what they have been doing all these years. Same for Nintendo.
But poor trillion dollar Corp I guess.
DeepEnigma
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Dick Jones
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Well considering I'm replying to a stupid comment I'm pointing out the fallacy of their statement, which was Sony fans want MS to weaken Sony to make MS stronger. Sony want MS to do well but not lazily buy their way to first place. The market leader being shit is the worst place for everyone. I'm sure you'll agree that Xbox deserves its current spot based off its quality of work.
Kilau
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Yeah, I wasn’t debating whatever point that is.
DeepEnigma
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Only one weakening Xbox all these years, is MS and their management strategy with them.
Wulfer
Member
Honesty it amazing how everyone was fine that the true innovator in this industry (AKA Nintendo) was just pushed aside for a bigger player. Now MS (who incidentally about 3 years ago everyone thought might leave the industry) and was ok with that fact. Who's sucking who's teet?
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DeepEnigma
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reinking
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Tell me. How are Sony fans benefiting from the Bethesda deal? We have already seen games that were coming to PlayStation be taken away. So, excuse me if I don't buy the bullshit that MS acquiring one of the biggest publishers in the industry is a benefit for sony fans.
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Topher
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Dude......none of that posts makes a lick of sense.
DeepEnigma
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He has a horrible sense of gamer history revisionism. Nintendo's draconian practices are what caused them to lose a foothold. They were FORCED to innovate. They were kings of stagnation when they had their foothold.
Buying up the industry to control everyone in your cloud model in 10+ years is not innovative.
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Wulfer
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You said it I didn't. Let's not pretend they couldn't be in a better fighting position.Again.
DeepEnigma
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Nobody fucking wants streaming. And the new angle to try and justify that is pure mental gymnastics.
What people want is a 10+ year stagnant company to actually produce games from the wealth of studios and IPs they currently owned in that timeframe. Not to keep playing permanent takeaway from others because they sucked at it.
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Wulfer
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ET helped bring down Atari.
Final Fantasy and no CD based drive helped bring down Nintendo. It was Nintnedo that helped create Sony what it is today.
Sega was cash strapped and agreed to work with MS with Windows CE. Which made MS look into console gaming after Sega pulled out.
I remember the console gaming world just fine. And yea I've been to several E3 events even private ones with Sony.
Thanks for playing
Actually, I want that too. Hope this Showcase is the start of it.
True fact: I miss 4 player split-screen fun. Online play isn't the same as having your best friends in the same room trash talking each other to their face. It's just not the same. I thought when the new Bomberman was announced it'd have 4 player split screen nope, no where to be found.
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DeepEnigma
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Good. Not explain the previous comment then.
Because they were pushed aside for their lack of innovation (at the time) and draconian policies. They were forced to innovate.
What MS is doing is nothing like the past. They are like the rich spoiled kid who kept failing at sports, so their father buys up all the players and teams and goes home.
Why don't you ask MS to be more like Nintendo then? Innovate.
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Wulfer
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It would be nice, they did this in the beginning even though they made games like Blinx. Mech Assault, Crimson Skies, Fusion Frenzy Project Gotham Racing were all great. They finally got back to the fun factor with Forza Horizon.Good. Not explain the previous comment then.
Because they were pushed aside for their lack of innovation (at the time) and draconian policies. They were forced to innovate.
What MS is doing is nothing like the past. They are like the rich spoiled kid who kept failing at sports, so their father buys up all the players and teams and goes home.
Why don't you ask MS to be more like Nintendo then? Innovate.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There is no huge demand for game streaming. There is a huge push by companies that want complete control of your spend, yes, but not demand.
They will keep pushing it however, until they hope it's the norm and dream scenario of them, the only way to play.
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feynoob
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There is. You are not the target for it.
Right now, there is around 60+m cloud gaming users.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Cloud gaming and streaming are two different things in the context of this argument. MMOs and mobile gatchas are considering "cloud gaming" but are not streamed and running locally. Stop splitting hairs.
With that said, taste in quality has been regressing at a rapid rate each human generation, and mailable minds are easily persuaded into the Wall-E comfort food and laziness, so they will achieve their end game goals.
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feynoob
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Cloud gaming is streaming. I am not talking about that nuance world that devs use.
And no, there is demand for there, because of accessibility.
You are not required to use a high end PC or consoles. The ability to use a controller to just play your games is enticing for a lot of people.
It's a section that is going to dominate in the future in casual circle.
DeepEnigma
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No shit, I covered that in the Wall-E regression we are headed towards as a society. Easy, mindless, accessibility.
feynoob
Member
It's mindless for you, but it's cost savings for a lot of people.
People won't have to spend $500+ on consoles or have to buy high end PC to keep up with graphic outputs.
The biggest benefits is to not deal with downloads anymore.
As for the wallet garden, current consoles are that, plus old consoles too.
You were locked with 1 system, and it was like that, until we got the BC system.
Systems like PS3 is an ancient relics as that one has no BC with PS4 and PS5.
feynoob
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Tams
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Corrik
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I believe Microsoft will prevail on the appeal based off of incorrectly determining market size, establishing a market that it shouldn't, trying to use an inoperable time frame past 5 years to analyze the market, and due to comity and not understanding that their decision affects a larger market than just the UK and not taking it into account.
Whether the CMA will block it again after the appeal is won, is debatable.
Whether the CMA will block it again after the appeal is won, is debatable.
Negotiator101
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They couldn't block it for the same reasons though unless the market had changed significantly since the last time, which is doubtful.
Bernoulli
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i can't Believe no one in the thread didn't notice it
HOLY SHIT omg what just happend
Heisenberg007
Topher
feynoob
DeepEnigma
HOLY SHIT omg what just happend
Heisenberg007
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feynoob
DeepEnigma
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
This part is worseIdas from REEEEE made a massive post about all the grounds covered in the appeal, but its too long of a list that it’s better to just post his conclusion
But there is something BIG going on on this thread that no one noticed
It's really big
Kilau
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What? The influx of alts?
Bernoulli
M2 slut
if i say it it will ruin this thread , it's better to wait after the final decision
trust me it WORSE than that but related to that
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