Well, technically...
It's kind of morphed to a point though where it could be viable for other genres of games.
The player car model in Forza has 4 times the polygon of main charachter models of Infamous, Ryse and The Order, that alone shows what you can do if you replace the car with a player model and add other players in the world. Even the driver looks really detailed and has some really great PBR and shaders.
I think Is..maple..I thought that Playground Games was working on an open world Fantasy RPG (read: non-racing game) for next gen consoles. Can't remember the name though...
...Table?
...Mabel?
...Grable?
...Cable?
Bah, I can't remember what it is.
But I'd wager if they're not using their Forza Horizon engine for it, they've at least stripped the relevant parts from said engine for that new game.
Not every problem is a nail, but that doesn't mean you can't use a hammer to strategically help.
Not really. That's more the team's limitations trying to rush out a 60FPS launch title. With more time and a 30FPS cap (like any open world game):Because it has it´s limitations.
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I agree with you on some points but the cars have 360hz physics and things like trees en bricks are destructable and react to your car and environment. The trees react to wind and weather, even the water waves are simulated ( they got it from SOT ). Its not just simple geometry, there are alot of stuff with physics in Horizon. Even the driver model has SSR, high quality shaders and PBR. The cars also have alot of movement like the suspension, tire flex, wipers, steering wheel, dials, wings and mirrors. Most of them have reactions because of the physics system. So its not just a static object.different games have different requirements, you cant just take a racing engine optimized for that purpose and make a halo with it and expect the better results, you will probably get worse results
yes but the car doesnt have to alter its geometry all the time like a humanoid character has to, that is very easy for vertex shaders they mostly pass the data to fragment shaders instead of doing work and adjustments, also there is no joints/skeleton or they are very simple, no ragdolls and the hundreds of animations required for a humanoid characters and its individual parts that affect animations are not required for the car just because something use more geometry doesnt mean its more complex to run, the people and trees are also mostly geometry in racing games with not much else, you can add collision and stuff like that but they are usually very simplistic this situation usually allows to push more geometry also because its optimization is very different, the camera is more fixed/limited and that allows to predict what you dont need to render(on FPS this is more difficult) and geomtry is static so it doesn't require to access ram as much for animation data
for example MS was pushing an optimization for rendering part of the screen in normal(slower) ram they wanted to split render targets to ram and eSRAM to save eSRAM space and get 1080p more easily as you may guess this optimization works very well in racing games because the upper part of the screen has the skybox most of the time, sure you can use it in non racing games but obviously can get more complicated and dynamic resolution may be required when you wont get benefits splitting targets
you can see that racing games that need to run at 30 fps also use more interactive effects and objects, dynamic light and more, you will probably get worse results trying to adapt another game of different genre into a racing game than using it original engine that probably will be already optimized, its the same almost every generation, people see a game that uses too much geometry and think it can be adapted to any game, that is not the case
I almost agree with everything outside the modification part, you can make little changes it wil not change the core engine. Its like saying Fifa doens't run on Frosbite because they changed the animations or NFS wich also runs on Frosbite wich was designed for BF (fps). But i agree that its not that simple to use a certain engine just because it runs and looks good, maybe its the hardest coded engine there is and isn't dev friendly.
