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Microsoft confirms no PC Alan Wake: Reasoning? "LOL, COMFY COUCH".
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Omotesando
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robotnjik said:
Console passive gaming has a new meaning.
DennisK4 said:
Most people are content with 720p because they've never seen anything higher.
When you can switch between 720p and 1080p (or higher) at will, the difference is astounding.
Let's face it: not understanding why people prefer higher resolutions is half ignorance and half jealousy.
robotnjik said:
:lol
And I love how people say that the only graphical shortcoming of console gaming is the resolution, no, it's not. Absolutely gorgeous games like Mirror's Edge and Mass Effect 1&2 have their art style vandalized by the lack of AA, tearing and texture pop-in.
I actually feel sorry for whoever played these games on consoles only, because they truly didn't experience these games the way they were meant to be experienced.
brain_stew
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Kaako said:
Well apart from the 1000 games they'll be publishing through Game Room and all those they sell through the GFWL marketplace. I dunno, clearly some parts of Microsoft want to pursue the whole Live anywhere vision and see the benefits of having the PC as a strong gaming platform but its the Xbox guys that hold the power these days. They've actually been more active on the PC side in the last 3 months than any time in the last 3 years, DX11, major GFWL updates, Game Room, Avatars (due in the next month as necessitated by Gameroom) and GFWL Marketplace are all recent developments. As a publisher of "blockbuster" retail games though you can consider them dead, for now anyway.
Gully State
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Shogun PaiN said:
For Mass Effect and Mirror's Edge, the man speaks the truth.
Mass Effect sports a better interface on top of performance fixes and better graphics. And te graphical improvement of mirror's edge is even more blatant as the clean art style and contrasting colors benefit immensely from higher resolution and anti-aliasing. It's how the game looked in PR screenshots. All you need to do is take a look at the screenshots posted here for the PC version.
It sucks, but can't see why this would be happening other than the additional sales even at a higher margin would be cutting into 360 sales after via piracy of a PC version. Think about it, MS doesn't have the profitability of the ban stick off the 360 platform. Unless you have a subscription (WoW) model to insulate against pirates with a ban stick, PC games aren't making money like they used to. That or there is something else in their spreadsheets and data mines that's telling them a PC version isn't worth it. It's also in line with the direction they've been going on with the PC anyway. And, if the piracy thing is ever fixed to MS's satisfaction in terms of profits, they'll change course faster than most of us would predict. Just my two cents though.
Ysiadmihi said:
again, i think there's a huge difference between "i'd rather a higher resolution" and "LULZ, 720p? ewwww fuck that! consoles, poo-poo!" people have no trouble understanding the former while people think the latter is overblown bullshit. i agree. you want a super high resolution? right on, good for you. you bought that hardware and it's awesome that you get to use it. but to act like no matter how nicely a game looks aside from resolution 720p makes it unplayable, unworthy and flatout undesirable is just crazy. to me. obviously other people have different degrees of what they can tolerate without saying "this is too ugly, i can't watch this". for instance, i can still watch DVDs. how crazy is that? i knooooow, right? of course i also like watching Blu-Rays too. reading this thread that kind of makes me feel like i'm some kind of Superman. where are you guys getting your movies or tv from if it's all 1080p ?.... because anything less can't be a compelling experience. or is the clarity of games completely different. *or are all of these statements just made to fuel an agenda, help me out here.
*of course i don't expect a clear answer. i do expect folks saying they don't watch movies or tv just to save face.
I watch movies on my 106" projection screen, I don't see how you can accept anything less.
/sarcasm
but honestly it works both ways, I always hear my console gaming friends say that the difference isn't that big. Then a few saw me playing Mass Effect 2 maxed out 1080p and they were shocked.
I hope the 6-12 month timed exclusive is true, except the fact that the graphics won't be as cutting edge then. Kinda disappoints me that the cutting edge games at certain times GTA4 for example, are only available on inferior systems. Not from a game-play experience standpoint, but from a technology standpoint. The market stagnates what we could be experiencing.
/sarcasm
but honestly it works both ways, I always hear my console gaming friends say that the difference isn't that big. Then a few saw me playing Mass Effect 2 maxed out 1080p and they were shocked.
I hope the 6-12 month timed exclusive is true, except the fact that the graphics won't be as cutting edge then. Kinda disappoints me that the cutting edge games at certain times GTA4 for example, are only available on inferior systems. Not from a game-play experience standpoint, but from a technology standpoint. The market stagnates what we could be experiencing.
kodt said:
i'm one of those people. i am completely impressed with what PCs can do. hell, i'm going to own a good gaming PC soon. Uncharted 2 still rocked hard though and that wasn't 1080p. that's all that i'm saying. nobody is dumb enough to think that 1080 doesn't trump 720, rather people are confused as to why others can't see why a great looking game at 720 can still be a great looking game.
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jaypah said:
the same could be said about good looking wii games as well but the console defense force doesn't have a problem with shitting on the underpowered wii. Nice double standard we got there huh?
Ysiadmihi said:
Honestly, I think a lot of PC gamers just moved on when 360 and PS3 came out. It was the constant PC arms race and the need to tinker that led to my exodus, definitely not ignorance. The affordability of high definition televisions and a relatively cheap blu-ray drive also made my living room a more comfortable setting. For those that use your PC monitor as your all in one display..yes it's awesome but my friends don't wanna huddle around my 24'' monitor to play rock band.
If PC were still my primary gaming system, I'd be pretty upset too. I'd like to see what quad core PC's can do for gaming as well because with multicore PC's (as well as DirectX10/11), it doesn't seem like much has been done outside of productivity software.
From what I've read, the 360 structure is very similar to PC. MS did this on purpose to make cross platform PC and 360 games easy to port over from one platform to another. If a game is running on 360, it won't take a lot of work to get it to run on the PC. I doubt it would cost much to port it to PC. In fact, considering all console development basically starts on a PC, one could argue the PC version of Alan Wake is complete at the moment and Remedy is tweaking it for 360.
jaypah said:
it varies, i will say that certain ps3 exclusives (gow3, uncharted 2, killzone 2) make fine use of the cell's potential post-processing muscle to colour the image in such a way that negates much of the effect of playing at a lower resolution, i'll happily pay £5 for an evening of sf4 in the arcade at 720p and mario galaxy was the best game of 2008.
but the majority of "hd" games seem to only be content when throwing as much shit on the screen at any one time as possible. the recent lost planet 2 demo was the biggest offender here. the art going into this game is insane, yet it was literally unpleasant to look at due its overreaching complexity at that resolution. we're not just talking about the difference between 720 and 1080, we're talking about the difference between painting a picture with 900k pixels and over 2 million pixels. you only need take one look at the pr bullshots to see how lost planet 2 will look on pc.
and it's not just purely about resolution, it's image quality, clarity, performance. higher resolution textures, draw limits, v-sync, anisotropic filtering (at what point textures and objects turn into a blur). console games are making compromises in all of these to satisfy the MORE IS BETTER philosophy to art design, and as long as this keeps up, the only place to reproduce these original artistic visions with flawless performance is with a significantly more powerful system.
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:lolrobotnjik said:
LordPhoque
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Gully State said:
Not really. He would have been right about Dragon Age. But ME and ME (
) are both fine on consoles. Actually, they're more consoles games than PC games. Even if they're technically superior on the PC they're still solid on consoles.PseudoKirby
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wow so this is how they react when this happens
Exclusives are a good thing, gives people a reason to own a system, rather than just say "why have a 360 when I have a PC"
Exclusives are a good thing, gives people a reason to own a system, rather than just say "why have a 360 when I have a PC"
LordPhoque said:Not really. He would have been right about Dragon Age. But ME and ME (
I'd argue Dragon Age is just fine on consoles too. I put in 180 hours into Mirror's Edge and 160 hours into Dragon Age on my 360. I don't feel hard done by.
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PseudoKirby said:
i think exclusives are one of the worst things with gaming as an industry. Ideally i would like games to be spread across all platforms but thats just me.
Gully State said:
not really considering you haven't gone through post histories and showed me that it's the same people. you can't just use "they have a PS3 so they must be the people hating on the Wii" as a basis for that argument. that's like me saying that every PC gamer is an elitist console trolling douche when i've been in enough PC threads to know that there are PC gamers that never waste their time downing console gamers. probably because they're off playing games.
also, 2 wrongs don't make a right but if you're at the top of the totem pole (PC gamers on GAF) i can see how you'd think that. especially considering the signal was given a long time ago that it was perfectly ok to troll consoles as much as one likes, provided their allegiance is the Master Race. no biggie to me personally, it just means that i visit GAF a little less or leave threads earlier than i would have. but with thousands of new members always waiting to get in i know the powers that be don't care, but that's not why i do it. i do it to avoid personal aggravation. hearing that i suck and my consoles suck and my gaming habits suck and i'm ruining gaming and shit kind of gets in the way of what i came here for, to read about games and enjoy my hobby.
ghst said:
well said.
1) i used resolution because that's what everybody was clinging on to.
2) i understand everything that you wrote but i still don't think that games are unplayable or can't be graphically compelling at 720p, which is the only thing i was responding to. the rest of you post is just a detailed write-up of what makes PCs great.... no shit. we hear you guys loud and clear. every time it's brought up. again.
I think I may have just cut and pasted my response from the AW trailer at last years E3 (or wherever it was shown), except for the PC part. Microsoft's retreat from the content providing side of the platform since GFWL blew up in their face has been exceptional. Steam has ballooned, other providers are revving up, and to top it off, Microsoft has provided an excellent OS in 7. Personally I hope they stick to what they are good at, PC wise, and that is not developing/publishing games at this point.NIGHT- said:
Fredescu said:
....? i did say that i visit less than i used to. plus the other way like what? on a personal level? because i don't make it a point to go around being a douche so it's tiring have shit slung at me for other people. on the other hand like i said, if i get too annoyed i go and do something else.... i though that much was clear.
NullPointer
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Well, comfy couches are comfy.
But really, does anybody still believe in "Exclusive to Xbox 360"?
They'll put out a PC version if they want to somewhere down the line.
But really, does anybody still believe in "Exclusive to Xbox 360"?
They'll put out a PC version if they want to somewhere down the line.
You know that story about the queen who wishes she was the most beautiful woman in the land, and suddenly everyone in the kingdom becomes uglier than her? There's a point to it.PseudoKirby said:
Even if it's the same thing in relative terms, making everyone else worse off is no substitute for making yourself better.
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Number 2 said:
+1 I'd rather have one box that can play everything than having to deal with multiple platforms.
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NullPointer said:
Comments like these are the reason why Alan Wake is going to stay 360 exclusive. :lol
Arpharmd B
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Man all this time I've spent enjoying Bayonetta and Forza 3, I realize now how stupid I am. I should have been cutting myself every second because I don't get to play these games in 1080p. Both games look like utter dog shit to me now and I'm selling them both along with my horrid Sega Genesis, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, NES and SNES consoles so I can play Mirrors Edge in 1080p with full AA. Clearly it is impossible to enjoy games unless they are 1080p.
Thank god for this thread. I am awakened to the truth.
Thank god for this thread. I am awakened to the truth.
The implication from your post seemed to be that there is criticism of consoles but no criticism of the PC. PC gaming cops its share of criticism. Some is bannable (stuff like "all PC gamers are pirates") and rightly so, but other criticism is reasonable and should stand, such as what I quoted. Yet you could reduce that quote to "PC gaming sucks" if you wanted to.jaypah said:
Fredescu said:
nope, never said that PC gaming doesn't get trolled. i said that PC gamers have freedom to troll consoles, which is true. Evilore basically said get used to it at one point. considering i'm not a PC gamer i could only speak for myself, a console gamer. sorry for the confusion.
This is not entirely true. The existance of exclusive games allow publishers to take their time and master the platform they're developing for, creating experiences only possible on that platform. When developers have to deal with many versions of the same game, they have to take in consideration the limitations of all the platforms, and create something that works on them all - and sometimes that means that the game isn't as good as it would be if it was built with only one platform in mind.Number 2 said:
Take the PS3 and 360 for example: they're not identical platforms, yet they usually get the same games. Imagine if, I don't know, Army of Tutu was created exclusively for the PS3 (or the 360), without the limitations that the 360 (or PS3) have for the developers' ideas. Maybe it would be a better game (I don't know if it's bad, I never played it. Just sayin').