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[Lostconfused]

Again I say so? Alan Wake isn't the only 360 game that gets all these begging post. Every MS exclusive gets them. MS needs exclusive games to build an identity just like Sony and Nintendo.

Because a great deal of "exclusives" get ported to PC anyway. So its just somewhat strange that every once in a while they decide to not port a game over when they have done a good deal of times before.

Edit: Also PC is kind of a microsoft platform more or less, they just forgot about that bit.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Since Allan Wake did not move 360 hardware, MS should just port it to the PC, so MS can make more money.

 

[Phoenix Fang]

Because a great deal of "exclusives" get ported to PC anyway. So its just somewhat strange that every once in a while they decide to not port a game over when they have done a good deal of times before.

Edit: Also PC is kind of a microsoft platform more or less, they just forgot about that bit.

So why does all of them have to be ported? I don't see Sony exclusives being begged to be ported to the PC.

Since Allan Wake did not move 360 hardware, MS should just port it to the PC, so MS can make more money.

So I guess Sony should port all their games since majority of them failed to move hardware.

 

[Afrikan]

Since Allan Wake did not move 360 hardware, MS should develop the original version for the PC, so MS can make more money.

fixed.

but it's nice to want things.

 

[Gully State]

So why does all of them have to be ported? I don't see Sony exclusives being begged to be ported to the PC.

 

[Phoenix Fang]

And your point is?

Oh I see what you did there and I raise you 1.

 

[Gully State]

And the laptop runs on what operating system?

Vaio is a small part of Sony's business portfolio whereas Windows is Microsoft's core product.

 

[Dabanton]

Since Allan Wake did not move 360 hardware, MS should just port it to the PC, so MS can make more money.

Probably too late now. Remedy have already moved onto their next game.

 

[derFeef]

And your point is?

Microsoft makes Windows.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

So why does all of them have to be ported? I don't see Sony exclusives being begged to be ported to the PC.



So I guess Sony should port all their games since majority of them failed to move hardware.

Sure. It increases their revenue, and more people get to play good games. I am not saying MS, Sony, should release their games on PC immediately after their release. I am saying after like 1-2 years, they should release these games on PC. MS and Sony increase their revenue, without losing anything.
People who did not buy a console for a big AAA game after tis release, they won´t buy console for the same AAA a year later.

 

[pje122]

Probably too late now. Remedy have already moved onto their next game.

And thank God for that...

 

[Phoenix Fang]

Microsoft makes Windows.

Sony develops PC applications.

And the laptop runs on what operating system?

Last time I check you can install Linux on it.

Vaio is a small part of Sony's business portfolio whereas Windows is Microsoft's core product.

Vaio is not the only PC side of things Sony works on. I believe at one point they were working on their own OS.

 

[Dabanton]

And thank God for that...

It's probably Alan Wake 2 with Kinect functionality.

i.e Gaf's nightmare scenario.

 

[Zezboob]

Microsoft makes Windows.

Poor point.

MS makes X360 & Windows, but MS doesn't need to publish any game to sell Windows.


On the other side, X360 really need exclusives.




But there is no end to this debate :
- MS publish all games on X360 & PC : lololol MS why would we buy a X360 to get inferior versions lololol X360 has no true exclusive games, PS3+PC for the win
- MS publish games only on X360 : fuck you MS for giving up on PC gaming

 

[Lostconfused]

So why does all of them have to be ported? I don't see Sony exclusives being begged to be ported to the PC.

Because most of the time is an easy port job to make more money. No reason not to do it. Sony exclusives never got ported to PC to begin with, which is not the case with Microsoft.

 

[Phoenix Fang]

But there is no end to this debate :
- MS publish all games on X360 & PC : lololol MS why would we buy a X360 to get inferior versions lololol X360 has no true exclusive games, PS3+PC for the win
- MS publish games only on X360 : fuck you MS for giving up on PC gaming

Pretty much.

Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.

Because most of the time is an easy port job to make more money. No reason not to do it.

I don't know, maybe for them to have you know exclusives on the 360? So you know people don't use the tag "LULZ 360 has no exclusives"

 

[derFeef]

Poor point.

MS makes X360 & Windows, but MS doesn't need to publish any game to sell Windows.

On the other side, X360 really need exclusives.

But there is no end to this debate :
- MS publish all games on X360 & PC : lololol MS why would we buy a X360 to get inferior versions lololol X360 has no true exclusive games, PS3+PC for the win
- MS publish games only on X360 : fuck you MS for giving up on PC gaming

That is fine and obvious and all. But we were talking about port begging and why Sony games are allowed to stay on PS3 without anyone screaming "omg that would look and play so much better on PC", but not Microsoft exclusives.

 

[Lostconfused]

I don't know, maybe for them to have you know exclusives on the 360? So you know people don't use the tag "LULZ 360 has no exclusives"

Well clearly they are not concerned by any of that so there isn't any reason for them not to.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Because a great deal of "exclusives" get ported to PC anyway. So its just somewhat strange that every once in a while they decide to not port a game over when they have done a good deal of times before.

Edit: Also PC is kind of a microsoft platform more or less, they just forgot about that bit.

Xbox 360 is their main gaming platform and they have every right to put - or not put - games that they publish on whichever platform they choose. Charsace is right, some people like to complain that the 360 doesn't have enough exclusives, but then they also bitch when a 360 exclusive that they want does appear. Yes, it's not always the same people, but many times it is; it's the people who've decided not to get the 360 because "it has no games" so they're annoyed when something proves them wrong and they're unable to play it.

Or it's "the PC master race" or simply people who'd prefer to play certain games on higher spec machines (and I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the latter), but as both Xbox 360 hardware and software sales have shown time and time again, not catering to their wishes is not really to Microsoft's detriment. Quite the contrary.

Now, Alan Wake is a special case because the PC version was announced at one point, but so was the 360 version of Joe Danger, for instance, or Haze or Xenus 2 or the Precursors or whatever. Yet you don't see nearly as much bitching about those.

That's just the way it goes. I'd also like to have all games that interest me on the platform of my choice, but hey, I can't. Bring on the one console/platform future.

 

[water_wendi]

Now, Alan Wake is a special case because the PC version was announced at one point,

At one point? The game was announced for PC for years and then three months before launch its canceled. id hardly consider that "at one point."

 

[Lostconfused]

Xbox 360 is their main gaming platform and they have every right to put - or not put - games that they publish on whichever platform they choose.

Sure I am not saying its not entirely their choice. Its just schizophrenic of them, to say the least, to randomly port some games to PC and others to keep 360 only.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

But there is no end to this debate :
- MS publish all games on X360 & PC : lololol MS why would we buy a X360 to get inferior versions lololol X360 has no true exclusive games, PS3+PC for the win
- MS publish games only on X360 : fuck you MS for giving up on PC gaming

YES, IT IS CLEARLY ALWAYS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MAKE BOTH POINTS, YOU ARE CLEARLY A GENIUS AND NOT AT ALL A CRETIN OR TROLL

EDIT:
Jesus Christ at this topic, post bump.

 

[Arklite]

Kind of strange to see people apparently against(?) a port of this game. I don't see any downside to it. They'd make a bit more money out of an old game, and the fans who got a late cancellation announcement (and a poor excuse on top of it) finally get to check it out.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Sure I am not saying its not entirely their choice. Its just schizophrenic of them, to say the least, to randomly port some games to PC and others to keep 360 only.

I don't see it that way. It's up to them to decide which games they consider strategically important for which platform. Is there a reason why Flight or the new Age of Empires couldn't also be on the 360, with some changes in interface and visuals? Probably not, but it's their call. I'm perfectly fine with that, just as I'm fine with SOE games appearing on PC, but SCEI games not (more precisely, not anymore). If there's a game I want on a platform I don't have, I'll buy it or just skip it altogether and spend my time on one of other bazillion interesting games that I haven't played yet.

 

[a176]

Sony develops PC applications.

what does this have to do with selling games?

Last time I check you can install Linux on it.

what does this have to do with selling games?

Vaio is not the only PC side of things Sony works on. I believe at one point they were working on their own OS.

where can i buy this sony vaio pc with sony vaio os.

oh right ...

actually nm, im sure sony enjoys paying microsoft for each and every computer sold just to sell their own games.

keep on trollin

 

[teacupcopter]

I think you idiots all forget the fucking point that a PC version was in the works the entire fucking time and they cancelled it pretty late in the game. It's frustrating.

 

[MoFuzz]

I think you idiots all forget the fucking point that a PC version was in the works the entire fucking time and they cancelled it pretty late in the game. It's frustrating.

We need irrefutable proof that it was in development all along for PC. How do you know it wasn't canceled one month into production, or three months, or even six?

Provide a list of no less than eighteen links, all cited with proper sources showing the base of your claim, or else be called out for being the dog that you are.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

What exactly is happening on this page? I'm not sure who is arguing what now.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I think you idiots all forget the fucking point that a PC version was in the works the entire fucking time and they cancelled it pretty late in the game. It's frustrating.

No, "idiots" are not forgetting that, it's just that it's no different from what's been happening with a number of other games as well, Joe Danger being a good recent example. It's the way this industry has been functioning for a long time. Intelligent guy.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

What exactly is happening on this page? I'm not sure who is arguing what now.

I don't even know anymore either.

Just want to say Alan Wake is an amazing game and it is truly sad that MS canceled the PC version so PC only people didn't have the chance to play such a great game. With that said, I enjoyed playing it on my 360 very much.

 

[makingmusic476]

But there is no end to this debate :
- MS publish all games on X360 & PC : lololol MS why would we buy a X360 to get inferior versions lololol X360 has no true exclusive games, PS3+PC for the win
- MS publish games only on X360 : fuck you MS for giving up on PC gaming

This is a silly generalization.

Microsoft is in a unique situation in that they were a company focused entirely around the PC experience who then tried to bring that experience to people in console form, and during this transition openly supported both platforms with games.

Obviously, you'd have fans of Microsoft the PC publisher annoyed that they're slowly moving away from PC gaming (which includes me, a guy who's still peeved Ensemble got axed), while on the other side of things you'll have fans of their console experience annoyed that they're not doing enough to differentiate the 360 from the PC platform.

They are the only company in such a position.

And this argument complete circumvents the point that Alan Wake was first unveiled as a showcase title for Windows Vista/DirectX 10, intended specifically to get gamers on board with that platform, only the PC version was axed four years later.

 

[Htown]

They're not slowly abandoning pc gaming. They abandoned it immediately in 2008 when they realized Live Gold wasn't going to fly on PC. I posted this earlier, but MS published 5 or 6 PC games a year up until then, and then literally nothing but Game Room in the last 3 years.

 

[Lostconfused]

literally nothing but Game Room in the last 3 years.

Well, fable 3 is comming if that counts for anything.

Is there a reason why Flight or the new Age of Empires couldn't also be on the 360, with some changes in interface and visuals?

Besides the fact that no one succeeded in making a good control scheme for RTS on consoles? I am not even going to mention the fact that its impossible to map all the controls of Flight Sim onto a pad, but the heart and soul of that game which is end users modding the hell out of it would be impossible on a console.

Edit: So yes, there are some very good reasons for that.

 

[metareferential]

We need irrefutable proof that it was in development all along for PC. How do you know it wasn't canceled one month into production, or three months, or even six?

Provide a list of no less than eighteen links, all cited with proper sources showing the base of your claim, or else be called out for being the dog that you are.

Well, a couple of months before the sub-hd debacle we got footage of claimed-to-be-360 version of the game running at proper resolution; I'm inclined to think that was the pc version being showcased, since it was running almost flawlessly, and it's hard to think they lowered the resolution so much prior to release (it was @TGS).

But still, nothing is set in stone. And since tech analyses of the game still praised it regardless of the resolution, it is possible that that video was just an non optimized 360 beta.

I loved AW, and I would buy a pc version immediately, just to see it at 1080p and/or 3D.

 

[benita]

But still, I'm the one with the problem because I'm asking for evidence to back up a claim.

Ok, you've got it on record that you've asked for some evidence. None is going to be forthcoming. And even if it existed, i'm pretty sure noone would be interested in presenting it to you after the way you've acted in this thread. Furthermore, noone is going to be "retracting" anything. What more do you have to contribute to this discussion?

Time to leave surly.

 

[charsace]

Because a great deal of "exclusives" get ported to PC anyway. So its just somewhat strange that every once in a while they decide to not port a game over when they have done a good deal of times before.

Edit: Also PC is kind of a microsoft platform more or less, they just forgot about that bit.

But they want to put the xbox, their gaming system, in a good position. To do that they need exclusive games to attract gamers. They don't want people to have a PS3/wii with a computer. They want them to have a 360 and a computer.

 

[makingmusic476]

Well, a couple of months before the sub-hd debacle we got footage of claimed-to-be-360 version of the game running at proper resolution; I'm inclined to think that was the pc version being showcased, since it was running almost flawlessly, and it's hard to think they lowered the resolution so much prior to release (it was @TGS).

But still, nothing is set in stone. And since tech analyses of the game still praised it regardless of the resolution, it is possible that that video was just an non optimized 360 beta.

I loved AW, and I would buy a pc version immediately, just to see it at 1080p and/or 3D.

Is your sarcasm detector on the fritz?

That being said, I agree with you.

 

[teacupcopter]

No, "idiots" are not forgetting that, it's just that it's no different from what's been happening with a number of other games as well, Joe Danger being a good recent example. It's the way this industry has been functioning for a long time. Intelligent guy.

No, you idiots are forgetting that. Here is my interest in Alan Wake.

Alan wake announced
Me as PC Gamer- That looks cool
Developers have long, strong history with PC gaming
Game takes forever
Developer ums and ahs over PC version
Game comes out
Later on, PC version announced as definitely not coming



NOW I am getting it on 360 soon as I got a 360 console as a pack in with my new phone but... don't be stupid. Seriously. I know PC gamers can be elitist as fuck (and the other way round) but it blows when a game you'd been pumped for is just cancelled for apparently no reason. Like it was good enough for PC way back when, why not now? Same reason I'm pissed for RDR not being on PC. Rockstar have ported almost every single game they have ever made to PC. They've all more or less thrived on the platform. Fucking insane almost MMO style multiplayer in GTA- SA, mods, extra campaigns, cities, pumping up the graphics...

But I guess console players like the 'idiots' in this thread that I am referring too are just happy to sit back and LOL COMFY COUCH like in the thread title.

I'm not defending the PC gamer idiots- they would act in the same way if it happened to consoles, thing is- it fucking doesn't.

 

[metareferential]

But they want to put the xbox, their gaming system, in a good position. To do that they need exclusive games to attract gamers. They don't want people to have a PS3/wii with a computer. They want then to have a 360 and a computer.

Besides, it isn't true that a great deal of 360 exclusives get ported to pc anyway.

In fact, there's no key 360 franchise (and by "key" I mean in Ms' hopes and intentions, not necessarily sales-wise) on the pc, in this generation.

Halo? Forza? PGR? Rare stuff? Crackdown? Gears (the first one was ported but it was 2006, after all)?

There's Fable 3, which is just an exception.

Is your sarcasm detector on the fritz?

Could very well be. xD

Haven't been following the thread that closely.

 

[Doffen]

Besides, it isn't true that a great deal of 360 exclusives get ported to pc anyway.

In fact, there's no key 360 franchise (and by "key" I mean in Ms' hopes and intentions, not necessarily sales-wise) on the pc, in this generation.

Halo? Forza? PGR? Rare stuff? Crackdown? Gears (the first one was ported but it was 2006, after all)?

There's Fable 3, which is just an exception.

 

[metareferential]

Ok, I forgot that xD

Maybe it's not considered as a key franchise.

But then again, why did they announce the fable 3 port (granted that it's really happening)?

 

[Lonely1]

So, the main argument we have for cancellation is that now it can be used by console warriors at gamefaqs for list wars? Very lame if you ask me.

 

[metareferential]

So, the main argument we have for cancellation is that now it can be used by console warriors at gamefaqs for list wars? Very lame if you ask me.

Of course it's not.

Microsoft believed AW was going to be a selling point for its console, therefore they canned the pc release, to push hardware sales and increase the 360's exclusive IP portfolio.

It's not that difficult to understand, either.

 

[NIN90]

So much hostility in this thread. :lol

 

[charsace]

So, the main argument we have for cancellation is that now it can be used by console warriors at gamefaqs for list wars? Very lame if you ask me.

Who said anything like that? Don't make things up. Its obvious that MS cancelled the game on PC to add it to its list of 360 exclusive to help sell the xbox. That's what happened. I doubt MS cares about what you mentioned in your post.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Of course it's not.

Microsoft believed AW was going to be a selling point for its console, therefore they canned the pc release, to push hardware sales and increase the 360's exclusive IP portfolio.

It's not that difficult to understand, either.

They're idiots. And Remedy, now I fully understand the "sellouts" tagline associated with them. Dark days.

 

[Prine]

I just hope Remedy are working hard on a sequel. Loved Alan wake, one of the highlights this Gen.

 

[jackdoe]

I only regret that I bought the game at launch. It dropped quickly in price, and while I liked the game, I didn't really need to play it right away. A PC version would have been awesome, but I think people need to make peace with it.

 

[metareferential]

I only regret that I bought the game at launch. It dropped quickly in price, and while I liked the game, I didn't really need to play it right away. A PC version would have been awesome, but I think people need to make peace with it.

It will eventually come, through emulation.

And it could be sooner than we think xD

 

[low-G]

It will eventually come, through emulation.

And it could be sooner than we think xD

Is this just some random forum stuff or has someone been making strides in Xbox 360 emulation that I haven't heard of?