You have a right to speak. You just have no right to speak with any authority, even if your arrogance fools you into thinking that you do.
I am only asking for conclusive proof. Nobody has any. That's frustrating for you, I'm sure, but until you have that proof, there's no need to reply again cos I'm not interested in a battle of egos.
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Obviously there are no definite proof either way to exactly why the game didn't get a PC port.............
Why continue past that point? If there's no proof, then don't claim that anything you say is anything more than speculation. It's fine to speculate - you might be 100% right - just don't think that your speculation = facts.
surly everybody who plays PC games knows the deal with Microsoft by now. They want everything pushed to Xbox, so they can get more people onto their Live subscription service.
surly is right, what if it was a grand deciever who conjured the illusion of such an obvious culprit?
but surely, if god is infinitely powerful, he would never allow for such a deception?
method: there is thought, therefore i exist. there is a prima facie knowledge of god. a knowledge that only an infinitely powerful being could implant. an infinitely powerful being has no reason to be malicious in such a way that would allow such a great deception.
I don't think anyone cares what you are asking for, let alone concerned with providing it to you. The issue seems to be there is a solid amount of evidence to support the conclusion that MS in fact canceled the PC project. Nobody gives a fuck about proving anything to you, I promise.
But it is kind of funny watching you butcher basic logic and reasoning while you flail around like a dumbass.
The onus is on the person making that claim to prove without any reasonable doubt that it's true. While it's certainly a possibility, it's not a fact. Don't try and shift the burden of proof on to me. If the evidence was strong enough, you wouldn't need to do that anyway.
"Religious logic", i.e., "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", has no bearing on this situation.
That logic would be tantamount to "It was Microsoft, because Remedy didn't say it wasn't Microsoft"
Instead, we have "It was Microsoft, because Remedy said it wasn't Remedy, and the only plausible alternative is Microsoft"
This isn't a court case, because we're not looking at means, motive and opportunity. We're simply looking at the logical procession of what Remedy says. For all your bluster that our logic is flawed, you have yet to demonstrate why it's flawed.
surly is right, what if it was a grand deciever who conjured the illusion of such an obvious culprit?
but surely, if god is infinitely powerful, he would never allow for such a deception?
method: there is thought, therefore i exist. there is a prima facie knowledge of god. a knowledge that only an infinitely powerful being could implant. an infinitely powerful being has no reason to be malicious in such a way that would allow such a great deception.
Only because they can't. It's that simple, Roland. If they could, they could shut me down in an instant and I would happily admit I was wrong.
You saying "nobody gives a fuck about proving anything" just tells me that this thread is filling up with egotist kids looking for semantic arguments, rather than people who are interested in facts. You should give a fuck about proving something, because for once, that would make you right.
Why continue past that point? If there's no proof, then don't claim that anything you say is anything more than speculation. It's fine to speculate - you might be 100% right - just don't think that your speculation = facts.
But it is worse than that. They actually see PC gaming as the competition. Keeping their own first party games off of PC is one thing. That they actively prevent 3rd party exclusive titles like GeoW, AW, GTA4 DLC from appearing on PC (or being delayed) is quite another.
It's easy to see why and it goes beyond GFWL. When internet troll after internet troll always throws out the "it's not exclusive if it is on PC" argument that is going to have an effect.
Right now MS is counting on Direct X always being the go to API for PC gaming. It's pretty short sighted, but the way they see it they don't have to support PC gaming as long as they have the only API that developers will use. One day this is going to bite them in the ass and cost them the OS market which is by far their bread and butter. Their gaming division is seldom profitable and will never make them even a pittance of what their OS division makes.
Hostility? It seems amusing to me that people on here will whine about the standard of games journalism, yet they will happily accept assumptions as fact when it suits them. There's no hostility in any of my posts though.
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Welp, you feel free to sit there, content in the knowledge that nobody's going to point you to a pdf of a Microsoft press release detailing their abandonment of the PC platform.
Meanwhile the rest of us who can actually put 2 and 2 together will keep talking over here. Feel free to join whenever.
That's fine, but don't think that your assumptions equate to adding 2 and 2. Me asking for facts seems to be upsetting a lot of people, but I can't see why that is. Post the facts or retract your claim. It's that simple!
2 prisoners in a cell from rival gangs
one prisoner is stabbed repeatedly in the back and dies
other prisoner is know for stabbing prisoners
WE NEED SOME COLD HARD FACTS BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT
You are demanding a level of proof that is for one impossible to provide via the internet. Whatever proof was given there would still be grounds to claim reasonable doubt (as we see presently). In addition nobody claimed to know for a FACT what was occurring nor is an explicit fact a prerequisite for this conversation or forum.
Several people provided well reasoned explanations that resulted in their opinion and shared them. If you disagree with the validity of their argumentation or logic that is entirely valid. But spewing incoherent jibberish while everyone else points and laughs at you is not very productive.
Several people provided well reasoned explanations that resulted in their opinion and shared them. If you disagree with the validity of their argumentation or logic that is entirely valid. But spewing incoherent jibberish while everyone else points and laughs at you is not very productive.
2 prisoners in a cell from rival gangs
one prisoner is stabbed repeatedly in the back and dies
other prisoner is know for stabbing prisoners
WE NEED SOME COLD HARD FACTS BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT
Can't be proved that the other prisoner did it. Could've been one of the guards. Maybe the dead prisoner stabbed himself in the back. Could've been Evilore stabbing him because the prisoner owed $50 for GAF Gold. We might never know.
After eliminating all other options, I can only deduce that GAF's "cunt detector" failed when approving your account.
That's fine, but don't think that your assumptions equate to adding 2 and 2. Me asking for facts seems to be upsetting a lot of people, but I can't see why that is. Post the facts or retract your claim. It's that simple!
Wow, Shirley, that is some awesome piece of deductive reasoning right there. But since basic logic teaches us that true fact is impossible due to the nature of how language is constructed and the way the human mind works we are sometimes forced to make these assumptions and ... no wait, you're just a troll, Shirley.
Wow, Shirley, that is some awesome piece of deductive reasoning right there. But since basic logic teaches us that true fact is impossible due to the nature of how language is constructed and the way the human mind works we are sometimes forced to make these assumptions and ... no wait, you're just a troll, Shirley.
Cut the philosophical shit. Either provide me with some facts or STFU. Flexing your ego isn't doing you or me any favours. I'm not trolling. I was asking for a source to a claim that would prove that claim to be true. Nobody has provided one yet. While this thread might drag in all the egotistical kids that want to "win at the Internetz", not one person has proved the initial claim and that's all that's required.
surly is right, what if it was a grand deciever who conjured the illusion of such an obvious culprit?
but surely, if god is infinitely powerful, he would never allow for such a deception?
method: there is thought, therefore i exist. there is a prima facie knowledge of god. a knowledge that only an infinitely powerful being could implant. an infinitely powerful being has no reason to be malicious in such a way that would allow such a great deception.
PROVE TO ME with FACTS that he is bored
Otherwise it's baseless speculation.
I WANT FACTS. Audio logs documenting his boredom created by him, eyewitness reports, video footage, etc.
Also prove to me that you typed that last post. Otherwise it's nothing but baseless conjecture whether or not I'm actually talking to you.
I'm talking Film photo's(to prevent photoshopping) , sworn in witness's statements on the matter, etc.
quoting post to remind the internet that we have no proof that the tv is new, that this poster has any speakers atall or that a winking-tongue-out emoticon isn't code for other child pornographers to unscramble the image and add it to their collections.
quoting post to remind the internet that we have no proof that the tv is new, that this poster has any speakers atall or that a winking-tongue-out emoticon isn't code for other child pornographers to unscramble the image and add it to their collections.
It seems plausible that Microsoft said something like "we're only going to launch this game once. If both versions are ready, we'll launch them together, otherwise we won't." If something like that happened, there's enough wiggle room for Remedy to say it wasn't their call, etc. But to give the benefit of the doubt to a developer who was years late, radically changed its genre/scope, etc. seems unnecessarily generous.
Piracy is killing PC gaming, so it's not hard to excuse no PC version, especially late. Didn't Epic say it wasn't worth doing anymore Gears because of the piracy?
PROVE TO ME with FACTS that he is bored
Otherwise it's baseless speculation.
I WANT FACTS. Audio logs documenting his boredom created by him, eyewitness reports, video footage, etc.
Also prove to me that you typed that last post. Otherwise it's nothing but baseless conjecture whether or not I'm actually talking to you.
I'm talking Film photo's(to prevent photoshopping) , sworn in witness's statements on the matter, etc.
I'm not bored though, kid. It is amusing that people are attacking facts though. Speculation is clearly better when your mind is already made up.
If you want to see a real troll in action, check out Shed-a-Ninja's posts on Gametrailers and Gamespot. What an absolute tit. But still, I'm the one with the problem because I'm asking for evidence to back up a claim.
There is no doubt about it, MS goes out of it's way to keep every game that is a 360 exclusive away from PC. The only games that they are putting on PC are games that wont sell on consoles like flight sims and RTS games.
True, altough it's still improvement. At least now they're willing to publish those flight sims and RTS titles instead of killing their devs when they realized those titles won't work on 360.
I <3 Memes said:
Opiate pointed out in the "Will Sony or Nintendo ever publish games on the PC" that in the last 3 years Sony has published more games on PC than MS.
Number of PC games published by Microsoft each year since 1994:
Number of Microsoft owned profitable PC centric developers shut down since 2006: 4
People who don't think the PC version was cancelled because circa 2006 Microsoft Games Studios intended to abandon the PC as a publishing platform: crazy
It's an assumption, but a reasonable one. Expecting a smoking gun is stupid. The quote is as close as we're going to get.
That's fine, but don't think that your assumptions equate to adding 2 and 2. Me asking for facts seems to be upsetting a lot of people, but I can't see why that is. Post the facts or retract your claim. It's that simple!
all unlinked facts are from the wiki pages on Alan Wake, Xbox Live, GFW Live, and Microsoft Game Studios
FACT: E3 2005, Alan Wake is announced for "next gen consoles and PCs"
Xbox 360 launches in November 2005 with Xbox Live Gold subscriptions available.
Microsoft Game Studios 2005 PC releases- Age of Empires 3, Dungeon Siege 2, Fable, Zoo Tycoon 2
FACT: In May '06, Remedy and MGS announce a publishing partnership for X360 and PC for Alan Wake
Microsoft Game Studios 2006 PC releases - Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends, Age of Empires 3: The War Chiefs, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, four Zoo Tycoon 2 expansions
FACT: In May 2007, Microsoft launches Games for Windows Live, with a similar subscription model to Xbox Live. Shadowrun is the first GFWL game.
Remedy continues to show the PC version of the game.
Microsoft Game Studios 2007 PC releases: Shadowrun, Halo 2, Age of Empires 3: The Asian Dynasties, Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Acceleration, Viva Pinata, Gears of War
FACT: Remedy continues to show the PC version of the game.
With the subscription service for GFWL not doing so well, Microsoft decides to make GFWL free in July 2008.
Microsoft's PC output disappears completely.
Microsoft Game Studios 2008 PC releases: none.
FACT: Alan Wake is suddenly primarily an Xbox 360 game , with a PC version now up to Microsoft.
Here is a direct quote from the linked article, from a Remedy representative:
However, when it came to the status of the PC edition of the game, Remedy was much vaguer in its response. "PC plans are currently open," a rep said. "Remedy has a deep heritage in PC gaming and would love to see a PC version available to its PC followers. Ultimately, however, this decision lies with our publisher [Microsoft Game Studios]."
FACT: Alan Wake is released as an Xbox 360 exclusive, and the PC version is canceled.
Now are you going to sit there and tell me that Microsoft didn't tell Remedy to cancel the PC version given all of those facts, and given LINKED QUOTES from Remedy SAYING that a PC version was up to Microsoft Game Studios?
I've given quite enough proof, I think. Ball's in your court, chief.
We don't know that the closed studios were profitable.
The retail PC industry as a whole was also dropping.
Microsoft is clearly more focused on Xbox games than PC but that doesn't mean Remedy had nothing to do with why a PC version didn't make it. They shipped at what I assume they assumed was the last viable spring day on top of Red Dead Redemption after having slipped for years. They weren't exactly coming to the finish line with a lot in the tank so it seems odd to believe Microsoft was telling them to take a dive.
all unlinked facts are from the wiki pages on Alan Wake, Xbox Live, GFW Live, and Microsoft Game Studios
FACT: E3 2005, Alan Wake is announced for "next gen consoles and PCs"
Xbox 360 launches in November 2005 with Xbox Live Gold subscriptions available.
Microsoft Game Studios 2005 PC releases- Age of Empires 3, Dungeon Siege 2, Fable, Zoo Tycoon 2
FACT: In May '06, Remedy and MGS announce a publishing partnership for X360 and PC for Alan Wake
Microsoft Game Studios 2006 PC releases - Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends, Age of Empires 3: The War Chiefs, Microsoft Flight Simulator X, four Zoo Tycoon 2 expansions
FACT: In May 2007, Microsoft launches Games for Windows Live, with a similar subscription model to Xbox Live. Shadowrun is the first GFWL game.
Remedy continues to show the PC version of the game.
Microsoft Game Studios 2007 PC releases: Shadowrun, Halo 2, Age of Empires 3: The Asian Dynasties, Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Acceleration, Viva Pinata, Gears of War
FACT: Remedy continues to show the PC version of the game.
With the subscription service for GFWL not doing so well, Microsoft decides to make GFWL free in July 2008.
Microsoft's PC output disappears completely.
Microsoft Game Studios 2008 PC releases: none.
FACT: Alan Wake is suddenly primarily an Xbox 360 game , with a PC version now up to Microsoft.
Here is a direct quote from the linked article, from a Remedy representative:
Microsoft Game Studios 2009 PC releases: none.
FACT: Alan Wake is released as an Xbox 360 exclusive, and the PC version is canceled.
Now are you going to sit there and tell me that Microsoft didn't tell Remedy to cancel the PC version given all of those facts, and given LINKED QUOTES from Remedy SAYING that a PC version was up to Microsoft Game Studios?
I've given quite enough proof, I think. Ball's in your court, chief.
You still need the email microsoft sent to remedy saying 'we cancelled the pc version', and you need to get it verifed by a 3rd party double blind authenticity checker.
I doubt any of those wasn't profitable. Ensemble never made a PC game that sold less than 2 mln copies. And FSX sold over 1 mln in USA retail alone and ACES was the cheapest studio to run among those owned by MS.
In reality they closed the studios not because they couldn't be profitiable, but because they couldn't be profitable while making games for 360.
This sucks, now I have to wait to get my 360, which is far away. I only have PS3, PS2, GC, Xbox 1 until the summer. And a Saturn with no games for some strange reason.
We have an actual quote up there from Remedy saying that Microsoft would decide whether or not there would be a PC version of the game. What constitutes acceptable proof in your eyes?
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