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Microsoft confirms no PC Alan Wake: Reasoning? "LOL, COMFY COUCH".

Sigh, now we get people shitcanning a genuinely good game because to didn't come to PC. I'm as pissed as the rest of you, but let's not resort to such lunacy.
 
exwallst said:
Didn't Remedy say something like they realized you couldn't let the player show up in a monster truck to a key love scene?
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Then don't put a fucking monster truck in your game. They could have made it work, but they took the easy way out. And yes, Alan Wake is still a genuinely good game. It should and could have been a great game though.
 
I was LTTP on this game and eventually came to love it at first play. I would have loved to see this on my PC, though. Bummer news and it's unfortunate that we don't have any proper reasons. Why would they can a PC port of this? What is there to lose?
 
In another thread, Iwata talks about gold rushes killing developers. I think Remedy got burned chasing the GTA/open world dragon. I don't know how they, or any super small developer, could have made open world and taut thriller work.
 
These sores will never heal.
Come touch with broken skin.
I pray these wounds will never hurt.
Come touch this broken skin.








Fuck, now I wanna listen to Mortiis again
 
I NEED SCISSORS said:
Sigh, now we get people shitcanning a genuinely good game because to didn't come to PC. I'm as pissed as the rest of you, but let's not resort to such lunacy.
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Give this man a medal.

Also did we ever get the real reason Microsoft blocked Remedy for releasing this on PC? Was it the obvious? (to push the 360 at the sacrifice of the PC version) Remedy came out at GDC and basically said "We're not allowed to tell you" so I'm interested to see if there's anymore behind this.
 
DennisK4 said:
During development Microsoft ruined what could have been a good semi-opne world game by cramming the game into the 360 so who cares about a PC version now?

I still remember the trailer from back when it was a showcase for Quadcore CPUs.

Its hard to feel sorry for Remedy, they made their bed.
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The game is still semi open. Some of the stages are absolutely huge.

Anyone who's played the game knows that.
 
Microsoft has to have the PC publishing rights, it was signed as a Vista exclusive. That Remedy couldn't deliver on both platforms in time also seems without question. It's hard to fault Microsoft for not expending whatever minimum effort it would take now to release it on PC when they have much bigger fish to fry. At least hard to fault them any more than Remedy for failing to deliver the first time around.
 
exwallst said:
Microsoft has to have the PC publishing rights, it was signed as a Vista exclusive. That Remedy couldn't deliver on both platforms in time also seems without question. It's hard to fault Microsoft for not expending whatever minimum effort it would take now to release it on PC when they have much bigger fish to fry. At least hard to fault them any more than Remedy for failing to deliver the first time around.
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Remedy didn't deliver a PC version because Microsoft told them not to.

I know it may come as a shock to you but Microsoft's support for PC games, specially on anything touched by the Xbox division, is complete shit.
 
As much as I hate the decision by Microsoft not to bring this game to the PC it doesn't take away from the fact that it's a damn good game. I picked the game up as a downloadable title from amazon for 10 bucks and honestly I feel kinda bad for not getting it sooner. I'm actually anxiously awaiting a sequel....
 
surly said:
Source?
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This post pretty much confirms it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26301353&postcount=1615

Ogs said:
Revival of the fittest -

http://news.bigdownload.com/2011/03/04/gdc-2011-alan-wakes-pc-cancelation-still-a-bit-of-a-mystery/
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There is no doubt about it, MS goes out of it's way to keep every game that is a 360 exclusive away from PC. The only games that they are putting on PC are games that wont sell on consoles like flight sims and RTS games.

Opiate pointed out in the "Will Sony or Nintendo ever publish games on the PC" that in the last 3 years Sony has published more games on PC than MS.
 
What possible motive does MS have to limit their own customer base like this. There is no way releasing this game on the PC would not generate SOME profit for them. I cant wrap my head around it.
 
I <3 Memes said:
There is no doubt about it, MS goes out of it's way to keep every game that is a 360 exclusive away from PC. The only games that they are putting on PC are games that wont sell on consoles like flight sims and RTS games.

Opiate pointed out in the "Will Sony or Nintendo ever publish games on the PC" that in the last 3 years Sony has published more games on PC than MS.
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Based on your links, it's just speculation then.
 
theBishop said:
I realize there's nothing new here, but I would still buy this game for PC.
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Me too. I'd buy it the day it released. Looks really interesting and atmospheric and the graphics would be unbelievable maxed out.
 
surly said:
Based on your links, it's just speculation then.
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Video Games asked Remedy's head man Markus Maki about the canceled PC port. However Maki still is keeping most of the reasons close to the chest, saying, "I can't really discuss that. I will say that it wasn't a technological call. And it wasn't made in Finland."
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It wasnt a tech call and the decision wasnt made by Remedy. What does that really leave?
 
surly said:
Based on your links, it's just speculation then.
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The game is initially showcased as a PC title making use of quad core technology...game then becomes XboX exclusive...developer repeatedly asserts they forbidden to speak of the reasons but it was not a tech issue.

What other possibility exists here?
 
surly said:
It leaves you to speculate in the absence of hard facts.
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yeah your right maybe Remedy is talking about THQ or EA ?hey I actually think it was Nintendo decision to cancel pc version
 
hauton said:
Process of elimination leaves you to conclude in the absence of any alternative.
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Are you serious with this? I can never tell on here whether people are joking, or they're just stupid.
 
surly said:
No, not at all. You have to prove your claim and speculation is not good enough, I'm afraid.
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I'm not claiming anything, Remedy is.

It was either Microsoft or Remedy
Remedy claims it wasn't Remedy

The onus is on you to demonstrate a plausible alternative, not on Remedy to break their NDA.
 
hauton said:
I'm not claiming anything, Remedy is.

It was either Microsoft or Remedy
Remedy claims it wasn't Remedy

The onus is on you to demonstrate a plausible alternative, not on Remedy to break their NDA.
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No, no. This is "religious logic", i.e. bullshit.

The original claim was: -

Remedy didn't deliver a PC version because Microsoft told them not to.
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The onus is on the person making that claim to prove without any reasonable doubt that it's true. While it's certainly a possibility, it's not a fact. Don't try and shift the burden of proof on to me. If the evidence was strong enough, you wouldn't need to do that anyway.
 
I've been doing a lot of PC gaming lately (on my comfy couch, mind you), and I have been connecting my Windows 7 gaming laptop to my 32 inch LCD Polaroid TV through an HDMI cable.

However, I booted it up tonight without being connected to my television only to find out that my Windows start panel taskbar and Internet Explorer look Windows 98-ish.

Does anyone know if the reason is because I removed the HDMI cable? Also, I am unable to turn my laptop's speakers on.

Is Windows Explorer acting up on me?
 
HeadlessRoland said:
It is called deductive reasoning, and in fact it is good enough.
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You should look up what deductive reasoning is before making that claim.

1. It wasn't a technological call
2. It wasn't made in Finland

Therefore, by your (flawed concept of) logic, the only possible conclusion is that Microsoft forced Remedy to cancel the PC version.

Please, never get a job as a judge. You'd fucking suck at it.
 
surly said:
No, not at all. You have to prove your claim and speculation is not good enough, I'm afraid.
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Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing or do you seriously not believe that Microsoft told them not to do it?
 
surly said:
No, no. This is "religious logic", i.e. bullshit.

The original claim was: -


The onus is on the person making that claim to prove without any reasonable doubt that it's true. While it's certainly a possibility, it's not a fact. Don't try and shift the burden of proof on to me. If the evidence was strong enough, you wouldn't need to do that anyway.
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I just went back and read what all the fuss was about. What's the point of your hostility?
 
surly said:
You should look up what deductive reasoning is before making that claim.

1. It wasn't a technological call
2. It wasn't made in Finland

Therefore, by your (flawed concept of) logic, the only possible conclusion is that Microsoft forced Remedy to cancel the PC version.

Please, never get a job as a judge. You'd fucking suck at it.
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Microsoft was involved somehow, considering the Remedy dude said it wasn't a decision that was made in Finland. Whether MS explicitly told Remedy that the game was to be a 360 exclusive or they just refused to fund a PC version is obviously debatable. But considering MS never ported Fable II or Halo 3 to the PC, most likely because they wanted to get away from the 'lol 360 haz no exclusives trololo' stigma, it's a fair assumption to make that MS just didn't want a PC version of Alan Wake because they'd rather have it remain a console exclusive.
 
KarmaCow said:
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing or do you seriously not believe that Microsoft told them not to do it?
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Whether I believe it or not is neither here nor there. What matters is whether it is a fact or not, and as yet, nobody has been able to prove that it is a fact. Can you?

Combichristoffersen said:
Microsoft was involved somehow, considering the Remedy dude said it wasn't a decision that was made in Finland. Whether MS explicitly told Remedy that the game was to be a 360 exclusive or they just refused to fund a PC version is obviously debatable. But considering MS never ported Fable II or Halo 3 to the PC, most likely because they wanted to get away from the 'lol 360 haz no exclusives trololo' stigma, it's a fair assumption to make that MS just didn't want a PC version of Alan Wake because they'd rather have it remain a console exclusive.
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Thanks for your input, but do you have any facts? Assumptions aren't facts, which I'm sure you know all too well.

Shed_a_Ninja said:
I just went back and read what all the fuss was about. What's the point of your hostility?
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Hostility? It seems amusing to me that people on here will whine about the standard of games journalism, yet they will happily accept assumptions as fact when it suits them. There's no hostility in any of my posts though.
 
surly said:
You should look up what deductive reasoning is before making that claim.

1. It wasn't a technological call
2. It wasn't made in Finland

Therefore, by your (flawed concept of) logic, the only possible conclusion is that Microsoft forced Remedy to cancel the PC version.

Please, never get a job as a judge. You'd fucking suck at it.
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1.It was not a technological call
2. The call was not made in Finland.
3. The only other party that can compel the developer to silence and make the call is MS.
4. Derp derp you lose.
 
HeadlessRoland said:
What possible motive does MS have to limit their own customer base like this. There is no way releasing this game on the PC would not generate SOME profit for them. I cant wrap my head around it.
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Microsoft thinks that putting PC-like games on the Xbox would make the PC audience convert to 360 players. The old head of MS Europe even said
in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version - because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/microsoft-to-keep-staggering-pc-and-xbox-360-releases

That's the reason, the 360 doesn't do well in continental Europe, and most of this has been them trying to push it there.
 
surly said:
Whether I believe it or not is neither here nor there. What matters is whether it is a fact or not, and as yet, nobody has been able to prove that it is a fact. Can you?
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So yes on the former. Alright, just wondering if I should bother.
 
surly said:
Whether I believe it or not is neither here nor there. What matters is whether it is a fact or not, and as yet, nobody has been able to prove that it is a fact. Can you?
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So all you are saying is that "Alan Wake's PC version cancellation was not made based on technology nor was the decision made by Remedy" and we should leave it at that?

Then who the fuck decided that there was not going to be a PC version?
 
Shed_a_Ninja said:
So all you are saying is that "Alan Wake's PC version cancellation was not made based on technology nor was the decision made by Remedy" and we should leave it at that?

Then who the fuck decided that there was not going to be a PC version?
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If you knew what the reason for the cancellation was, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The fact that you don't proves that you shouldn't even be arguing about what is a fact and what isn't. It's fine to speculate and assume, but speculation and assumption aren't the same thing as facts.
 
This is not a criminal trial.

It's obvious to everyone who plays PC games where Microsoft's interests lie - elsewhere. You can put your fingers in your ears and go "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" all you want, but it's very clear what's happening.

Ever since Xbox Live became a huge revenue stream for Microsoft, and ever since Games for Windows Live became unsustainable as a subscription service on PC, Microsoft's PC output has disappeared ENTIRELY. Microsoft used to publish tons of games on PC. This generation's output? The first Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Game Room, and supposedly Fable 3 is coming in May. None of the Halo titles released this gen, no GoW2 or 3, no Fable 2,nothing. And even their own GFWL software has been known to break in ways where you have to go to Xbox.com to fix it. Look at this thread for what PC gamers think of Microsoft's service, for good reason.

Alan Wake doesn't exist on PC because Microsoft is pushing everything towards Xbox. That's what's happening. Microsoft isn't going to issue a press release saying that they've abandoned the PC, obviously, but anyone who has been paying even the slightest amount of attention can see the obvious.
 
surly said:
If you knew what the reason for the cancellation was, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The fact that you don't proves that you shouldn't even be arguing about what is a fact and what isn't. It's fine to speculate and assume, but speculation and assumption aren't the same thing as facts.
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Yeah, the reason for the cancellation of the PC version was for Microsoft to have a compelling reason for European gamers to pick up more Xbox 360s.
 
surly said:
If you knew what the reason for the cancellation was, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The fact that you don't proves that you shouldn't even be arguing about what is a fact and what isn't.
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Are you trying to impress some Philosophy-Logic professor or something? Because you really suck at this, trying to sound oh so scientific reasoning is me like... but as has been already said to you: It was either Remedy or Microsoft, and the actual developers claim it was not their decision.
 
surly said:
Thanks for your input, but do you have any facts? Assumptions aren't facts, which I'm sure you know all too well.
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Obviously there are no definite proof either way to exactly why the game didn't get a PC port, the only thing we know is that MS made the decision, not Remedy. And since it wasn't due to any technological issues (if I'm not mistaken the PC version was fairly close to completion when it was canned), there are really just two plausible explanations; MS wanted it as a console exclusive, or they just didn't see a PC version as being a profitable endeavour. Neither of those can be proven unless a Remedy employee breaks the NDA, so we're left to speculate which one of the two is the real reasoning behind the PC version of Alan Wake being canned. And given the ease of porting between 360 and PC, a PC port of Alan Wake would most likely have been profitable, so we're left with MS wanting it as a console exclusive as the most plausible explanation. Can it be proved? No, of course not. But do you have any better explanation?
 
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