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Microsoft is selling every Xbox One they can make, 50 mil. man hours spent on system
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Goodacre0081
Member
that 50 million man hours quote sounds like some arbitrary figure along the same lines of those XBL quotes.
High horse for me is the default position when the person I'm speaking with stoops to console wars levels.
Everything is higher than rock bottom.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
If production is so low for the PS4s how can I haven't been able to flip the four I have left for massive profits? Demand isn't there or supply is there. Gotta be one or the other.
As do most CE companies. What's your point?
Yeah i totally see what you are saying. I cannot argue with your points at all. I feel the same way with everything you said, i guess my point was is that X1 is not doing bad right now. Down the road things may get much much worse for X1. Right now its just too hard to tell because everyone is snapping them up because it is the holidays but a year from now i guess we will get a good idea where both consoles are at in terms of popularity to the masses.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Is this a serious comment? You realize the PS4 is currently the fastest selling console of all time? It's a marvel that the supply is holding up as well as it is. (It's also crazy how even with record breaking supply, they're is still crazy high demand).
Just because you can't scalp a system doesn't mean there isn't demand. Put it at MSRP pricing and see how many people want to buy it off you.
No, they're very useful, mindblowing numbers.
11,173,675,400
The number of mm an XB1 one had to travel before reaching the living room of Ryan, 23, Yankees fan and avid Xbox gamer.
You're not surrounded by idiots?
purpletentacle
Member
I guess my sourness comes from the fact that Microsoft of late doesn't learn lessons or make the kind of fixes they need to. Windows 8 is a huge middle finger to users who didn't want forced touch added to their OS. Windows Phone 8 was a huge middle finger to Windows Phone 7 users (myself once included) who invested in their platform only to be shoved aside when they found a better way to make a phone. (I had my phone for all of a year). Hell, they did it with the 360 near the life cycle, covering it with ads and slowly their roll on exclusives in favor of One development (or whatever they did. they certainly didn't make any Kinect games)
it's sad.
purpletentacle
Member
dat backlash.
Nightengale
Member
Random guess tells me PS4 is still leading in NA based on this PR sales spin.
Yeah MS really dropped the ball with a lot of things with their new console. So much so that it boggles my mind how they could actually make so many bone headed decisions with so much R&D going into their console. I see a lot of amateurish mistakes that blow my mind when i think about some of the choices they made. I just don't get it ...i feel no real passion from them like i do with Sony this generation...I guess that was the biggest reason why i jumped ship and ran back to Sony this time.
I hope they turn things around though...I really do because i would love to see both consoles go neck and neck this generation because the gamers will benefit from it.
How can one man have all those hours?
The same technology that Microsoft used to beta test in the future.
Oh wow lol. I remember that.
I honestly think the whole XB1 sales is an American thing. From a local (Australian) perspective; I really don't see how MS is even coming close to Sony in sales when you have XB1s flopping hard here.
Day 1 XB1s aren't sold out here.
1st 2nd and some 3rd shipment pre-orders are pretty much sold out for PS4.
Already seeing EBGames marketing the crap out of their XB1 stock. My local EB is pretty much green.
Flopping? Joke post?
JB basically IS sold out and EB has a few Day Ones floating around. My mate just bought one yesterday.
But the console straddling the fence of sold out isn't really something you'd consider a flop. Yeah it hasn't sold out in the same way the PS4 has here, but in terms of raw numbers we have no clue how many were allocated down here.
Did Sony only give Australia 50K and sell out?
Did MS give 100K and sell 70% of them?
We have no clue. But yeah, the PS4 is completely sold out and the Xbox isn't all that far behind.
But wow at the hyperbole though.
boredandlazy
Member
It might be anecdotal, but my local EB games got many more PS4's in than XBOne's. And there are still XBOne's in stock.
I don't know what shipment levels were. We have no idea. I'm just saying calling the One a "flop" down here is borderline stupid.
I have a few mates who work at JB and they've told me that aside from pre-orders waiting to be picked up (just like PS4) they're sold out.
But as I said, I know EB have Day One editions because a mate bought one yesterday (might have been a couple of days ago). No idea about regulars.
travisbickle
Member
Do people honestly believe the shipped numbers are close?
At their respective launches:
Sony "We sold 1 million units"
MS "We sold over 1 million units"
Now
Sony "We sold 2.1 million units"
MS "We spent 50 million man hours on making this"
At their respective launches:
Sony "We sold 1 million units"
MS "We sold over 1 million units"
Now
Sony "We sold 2.1 million units"
MS "We spent 50 million man hours on making this"
Conciliator
Banned
That's not true, I went into a Best Buy and ate one. Didn't pay a dime. It was very yummy.
shinra-bansho
Member
I haven't been into JB HiFi recently, but they have it available for home delivery:
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/game/xbox-one-500gb-console/694350
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/game/xbox-one-500gb-console/694350
I haven't read much of the thread, but I really hope other people aren't thinking the 50 million hours refers to the time making the system. That is referring to the amount of time people have been using the system since launch. Read the original press release it is quite clear.
How about some of my own "by the numbers".
Days the xbox one has been available in it's 13 launch nations that are counted in MS press release - 10
Number of hours the average user has likely played games/netflix/etc on their xbox one per day - 5
Above hours multiplied by above days available = 50 hours
and so, by method of extrapolation , the total number of xbox one PLAYERS = around 1 million.
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The simple answer is that MS is doing PR, keep their brand in the news by following sony's numbers with their own larger numbers. It's no different then the naming scheme for the xbox 360, 360 is a larger number then 3 , therefore from an incredibly simplistic perspective it's also better.
50 million ,90 million , etc etc are all larger numbers then 2.1 million.
The idea is to keep the brand associated with positive news rather then negative news. Even though these numbers are all pretty much meaningless it's still better for xbox as a brand then seeing nothing but news stories about "sony sells 2.1 million ps4's already" with nothing on the xbox one.
The last part of MS PR job is to act like the age old Iraqi information minister all those years ago. Paint everything in a rosy light and... almost but not quite lie to people. Saying that every xbox one built is being sold is true, they are all being sold to retailers in 13 countries ! Also, clearly they wouldn't be making systems that retailers hadn't ordered. That would be stupid, making systems no one wants. Just ask Nintendo.
This is also why you won't get a "real" answer from them any time soon unless they outsell the PS4 and even then , that could happen in a small market somewhere temporarily and it will read as such " Xbox One takes 90% of brazillian next gen marketshare" or something similar.
I would even go so far as to say , should there be any sales figures posted by MS even in January after christmas is all finished- It will read like this - " Xbox family of gaming consoles including xbox 360, Kinect and Xbox One win the holiday in north america, selling over 2 million units ! ". On a forum like neogaf, this information will be quickly ripped apart and compared with whatever NPD numbers anyone can find, to figure out what the xbox one actually sold (hint, it'll be 1.5 million or so). The important thing is that the official release associated with the brand will say it's successful and in the world of PR that's all that matters.
Days the xbox one has been available in it's 13 launch nations that are counted in MS press release - 10
Number of hours the average user has likely played games/netflix/etc on their xbox one per day - 5
Above hours multiplied by above days available = 50 hours
and so, by method of extrapolation , the total number of xbox one PLAYERS = around 1 million.
----
The simple answer is that MS is doing PR, keep their brand in the news by following sony's numbers with their own larger numbers. It's no different then the naming scheme for the xbox 360, 360 is a larger number then 3 , therefore from an incredibly simplistic perspective it's also better.
50 million ,90 million , etc etc are all larger numbers then 2.1 million.
The idea is to keep the brand associated with positive news rather then negative news. Even though these numbers are all pretty much meaningless it's still better for xbox as a brand then seeing nothing but news stories about "sony sells 2.1 million ps4's already" with nothing on the xbox one.
The last part of MS PR job is to act like the age old Iraqi information minister all those years ago. Paint everything in a rosy light and... almost but not quite lie to people. Saying that every xbox one built is being sold is true, they are all being sold to retailers in 13 countries ! Also, clearly they wouldn't be making systems that retailers hadn't ordered. That would be stupid, making systems no one wants. Just ask Nintendo.
This is also why you won't get a "real" answer from them any time soon unless they outsell the PS4 and even then , that could happen in a small market somewhere temporarily and it will read as such " Xbox One takes 90% of brazillian next gen marketshare" or something similar.
I would even go so far as to say , should there be any sales figures posted by MS even in January after christmas is all finished- It will read like this - " Xbox family of gaming consoles including xbox 360, Kinect and Xbox One win the holiday in north america, selling over 2 million units ! ". On a forum like neogaf, this information will be quickly ripped apart and compared with whatever NPD numbers anyone can find, to figure out what the xbox one actually sold (hint, it'll be 1.5 million or so). The important thing is that the official release associated with the brand will say it's successful and in the world of PR that's all that matters.
Killing_Joke
Member
Best posts in the thread. We can't gloat about sales anymore so let's post trivial bullshit no one cares about!
I agree. Making sales means making profits, which means more money to invest for their current and future products. And sales numbers are no longer important all of a sudden? lol.
oconnomiyaki
Member
What kind of basement-dwelling, nightfill neckbeard do you think we all are? I'm lucky if I get an hour a night.
More sales a console has usually is followed or resulted by good games and also niche games that are risk projects that can really only break even on a massive install base.
Well, the Nintendo 64, Gamecube and WiiU have all sold poorly but it didn't seem to affect my enjoyment of the games on those platforms.
So they're not really THAT important for gamers you'd think.
It's a free market, and the more desirable product should win (decisively if that's what the market determines). Wanting to see the less popular product do just as well is a great insult to a system that naturally selects excellence - you only encourage mediocrity in future iterations from the same companies by punishing the better product and rewarding the inferior one (as determined by the market). In your case, the worst thing you can do is advocate for the product you didn't choose in the semblance of "balance" or "competition", because you unwittingly encourage characteristics that turned you away in the first place.
Shmuely Bully
Member
50 million hours divided by 11 days and further dividing by 4 gives you a little over 1.1 million sales if the people who bought them have averaged 4 hours of play time a day. Even if it's only 3 hours a day on average that is ~1.5 million sales.
There is a reason they're not providing sales numbers.
There is a reason they're not providing sales numbers.
Mihos
Gold Member
You can find them around my area pretty easy. I will probably wait until around May to get a Xbone personally.
If Xbone sold 1.5 million that's damn well impressive when all is said and done. Sure it's not 2.1 million.
Xbone shipped in less countries and higher price tag. Being only half a million from the compitor isn't bad at all. Dunno why MS wouldn't take pride in what they do.
Whiteshirt
Member
Because it would suggest a weakened position, especially against fucking Sony who hasn't won anything in the consumer electronics industry for around 10 years.
I also doubt Sony spent as much money as Microsoft did on their next gen console as they're the only ones that were actively talking up the amount of money and manpower spent on everything, as that's impressive and hints at a better performing system.