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Microsoft makes FUD bet with N'Gai. Say they're good for it. No warranty, though.
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BenjaminBirdie
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arias said:
Well, if Ozy is right (and my forebrain has actually grown its own fully functioning mouth and tonsils just so it could laugh at the very idea), then they've certainly left the door open for people to say $399 for a FULLY FUNCTIONING PS3 with no short cuts.
Forgotten Ancient
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arias said:
I don't think there was a flood of "I'll buy at $499" posts. What point are you trying to make?
BenjaminBirdie
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drohne said:
Nah, give the BELLatrix LeStrange a spin!
JoshuaJSlone
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Eww. Losing hard drive space, wifi, card readers AND backward compatibility would really make it a retard pack. It would go from the do-everything machine to the do-everything-but-play-old-PlayStation-games machine.
AltogetherAndrews
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Busty said:
Interesting, but I was thinking in NeoGAF terms.
"What price cut?"
Don't tell me this is the same dude
Forgotten Ancient said:
Who's talking to you? :lol I'll skip this post.
A $399 PS3 with those cut features alongside the range of games coming out for this Fall should be able to move SOME PS3s, at least. Now, if they actually bundle GT5: Prologue along with this barebone PS3 then I can see something big happening.
Valkyr Junkie
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The problem is just like with the first $499/$599 SKUs, there isn't a $100 difference between the 2 models. Sony would once again be losing a much larger amount of money on the lower-end model. The Graphics Synthesizer, Wifi, card readers, and 20GB of HDD space have a pretty low cost to Sony.
Karma Kramer
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I hope this happens...
why do so many hear want this not to be true?
why do so many hear want this not to be true?
Lazy vs Crazy
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That wouldn't make any sense. The PS2 has both the EE and GS on the same chip now. I imagine they are sticking the same chip in the ps3.aaaaa0 said:
BenjaminBirdie
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justjohn said:
:lol
Ai Yi Yi, Double J. The man, he is joking.
Manmademan
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JoshuaJSlone said:
but if you have a fully functioning PS2, a $399 with no backwards compat might be attractive.
hard drive space is a non issue. 40 gigs is plenty, and the thing's upgradable to whatever you want. Card readers are pointless since you can hook up flash drives or PSP's via USB. Not everyone uses Wi-Fi, but it's addable via a dongle if you eventually want to go that route.
plus, who's to say it's impossible to create a software emu that doesn't rely on any ps2 hardware? the Cell and RSX are more than capable of emulating an EE/GS if sufficient work was put into the project. it's just a matter of resources.
JoshuaJSlone said:
While I can see it making sense from the point of view it would bring the PS3 closer to a mass market price point while still having it function featured enough to not be classed in the same catergory as the 360 Core pack, this just doesn't ring true to me.
I still think that when Stringer (and more recently SCEE's Reeves) talked about a Xmas price cut I think that they were talking about the surely cheaper to manufacture 80gig PS3 SKU being dropped, IMHO of course, to $450 or maybe even $400.
All the things that Sony through out of the PS3 as it stands now to make this much lower priced unit just don't scream $100 worth of tech and parts. I still think it sounds like so much smoke and mirrors.
But on thing I can't get my head around is how is SCE able to push the PS3 to deliver something like GT5 or Killzone2 but can't get the CELL and RSX to emulate a 6 or 7 year old machine without the PS2's original GPU?
AltogetherAndrews
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bishoptl said:
Why would they remove BC when it's already software based?
KachoMakura
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Excellent strategy if true.
KachoMakura
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AltogetherAndrews said:
It's not all software.
Manmademan
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Busty said:
Or perhaps even....$450???:lol
AltogetherAndrews
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KachoMakura said:
I doubt the cost saving is anywhere as significant as the marketing value of having BC compatibility, but hey. Not sure why it is assumed that this could not be replaced by software emulation anyway.
And do we seriously have the Xbox director of technical strategy trolling PS3 price threads on NeoGAF? Is it the same guy?
Forgotten Ancient
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arias said:
I don't doubt J6P will be swayed by the allure of a $399 PS3. But many "hardcore" gamers that are holding out for a price drop don't want functionality stripped to make it happen. I don't give a damn about card readers, but take away my BC and you're taking away at least one future customer.
My PS2 is still my most played home console. 34% of my motivation in getting a PS3 is so I can trade in my PS2 and still enjoy those old games as well. But, as it stands, I'd much rather a PS2 with BC than a PS3 without it.
I'm fed up with multiple SKUs. All these value-added/value-eliminated deals from everyone are pissing me off.
Who's talking to you? :lol
Death_Born
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Hey, if they released a $399 PS3 I would definitely bite. That's basically the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market, with HD games, for the price of the Xbox 360.
Just to clarify - BC isn't going anywhere.
He outs himself in that very post.AltogetherAndrews said:
AltogetherAndrews said:
:lol WTF. No wonder MS if veering all over the road, everyone's posting on forums.
Ahhh. By the way, loving the avatar change. Was watching
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Manmademan said:
Yeah I know, I know. You were too quick for my sly edit.
[CFD] El Capitan said:
That's an excellent point actually.
Forgotten Ancient said:
Well now I am, kid.
(1) Removing these features will not affect the standard gameplay hardward design that developers will aim towards. It does not remove the hard drive which you can easily replace, the internet connectivity, and so forth.
(2) Taking away BC does not take away future customers. They're not removing BC for all PS3 SKUs. It's obvious this possible $399 SKU is targeted towards a specific consumer subset.
(3) None of these multiple SKUs have anything to do with you. That 34% of your motivation will have to wait for the next price cut.
Plenty of whining, but seriously no rational reasoning. If Sony pulls this off, I think it's still quite acceptable. We'll see how things work out.
Pristine_Condition
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Did N'Gai ask Ozymandias about the fact that he first predicted this price cut in January...and then repeated the price cut rumor in February?
http://kotaku.com/gaming/bc/microsoft-blogger-gimped-ps3-leading-to-price-cut-239513.php
I guess if you keep predicting it, it will EVENTUALLY come true!!! :lol :lol :lol
Ozy should stick to writing FUD-filled joke 360-PS3 "power comparison" charts. At least that **** is funny.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/bc/microsoft-blogger-gimped-ps3-leading-to-price-cut-239513.php
I guess if you keep predicting it, it will EVENTUALLY come true!!! :lol :lol :lol
Ozy should stick to writing FUD-filled joke 360-PS3 "power comparison" charts. At least that **** is funny.
AltogetherAndrews
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bishoptl said:
Heh, good point. The argument was so tired at that point that I don't think I even bothered checking the poster out.
Well, that's kind of messed up anyway.
The Faceless Master
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and he's not the only one!LuCkymoON said:
Nick Laslett
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Forgotten Ancient
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arias said:
Alright son:
(1) Where did I say anything to that effect? Furthermore, I don't want a modular system where I accept less with the intention of spending more on it later. Upgrading a console nearly defeats the purpose of going console instead of PC in the first place.
(2) Taking away BC clearly takes away from purchasing customers. Do you think J6P knows that Deer Hunter - PS2 won't work on his budget PS3 when his buddy, who has an original PS3, plays 18 Wheeler - American Pro Trucker daily? To J6P, the PS3 of yesterday and the rumored PS3tard of today are identical and should have the same functionality.
(3) You're semi-correct. Hopefully this idea - if it comes to fruition - will cultivate several new, budget conscious customers. These new customers would then buy new software and increase the desirability to developers for developing on the platform.
On the other hand, the potential failure or success of this plan could stunt the announcement of a price drop on the "real" model. Before the PSP, Sony was a company that provided an amazing amount of value for a great price. But after the numerous tard-packs and phantom price drops of the PSP and now the PS3, I have little faith that they'll change their course anytime soon.
Anyways, young man, I was initially replying to your assertion that people wanting a price drop were doing so just to bitch. I find it strange that people get so hung up on where others put their priority with money. Countless individuals and *inster console manufacturer*bots spew the company kool-aid at others in their attempt to justify and persuade fence-sitters to buy.
Sorry - I'll be "cheap", "poor", and will continue to "whine" until Sony puts out a product that I, myself deem worth the price. Not when someone else cries to me that I'm being unreasonable.
G'day, child.
No they removed the freaking 32MB of RDRam, which was always the bulk of BC cost.aaaaa0 said:
The rest was just switching a bigger chip(EEGS) for a smaller one(GS) where majority of cost saving was likely due to less pins and traces on the mobo.
At any rate, even if they did remove GS, that wouldn't mean no BC (and I'm not talking about PS1). And while I wouldn't put it past Sony to try and one up MSs hardware blunders this year by announcing "hey, our BC is now down to same level as 360", I'd still hope they aren't that stupid.
A good question here is how far or close are they to 65nm chipset, I could see southbridge integrating GS with that revision, possibly making this debate moot.
I used to respect N'Gai ... no I'm not so sure.
While I'm not saying Sony won't do this, he appears to be implying that the stuff he expects to be cut out will actually allow for the $399 price tag. In otherwords, he thinks it will add up to $100. I doubt it.
* Removing BC will allow 'significant savings' - I highly doubt it. The GS, even with its eDRAM can't be THAT much.
* WiFi - How much could that be? $20? $30?
* Card reads - That costs next to nothing I would think
* 40GB HDD - Crap, that probably costs MORE than a 60GB or 80GB.
While I'm not saying Sony won't do this, he appears to be implying that the stuff he expects to be cut out will actually allow for the $399 price tag. In otherwords, he thinks it will add up to $100. I doubt it.
* Removing BC will allow 'significant savings' - I highly doubt it. The GS, even with its eDRAM can't be THAT much.
* WiFi - How much could that be? $20? $30?
* Card reads - That costs next to nothing I would think
* 40GB HDD - Crap, that probably costs MORE than a 60GB or 80GB.
sonycowboy
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What a turd of a joke.
Ozy makes a bet for a $50 steak dinner and gets to introduce a FUD proposition meant to get folks to either consider Sony ass-stupid for something or alternatively think they shouldn't buy a PS3 now because of a potential price drop.
Somehow, to me it seems that Microsoft comes out a billion points ahead in this game if this gets any play on GameTab, NeoGAF, EvilAvatar, IGN, Gamespot, 1up, Level up, and the like.
Hell, he could have offered to buy N'Gai a car and it would still be worth doing.
Jeez.
Ozy makes a bet for a $50 steak dinner and gets to introduce a FUD proposition meant to get folks to either consider Sony ass-stupid for something or alternatively think they shouldn't buy a PS3 now because of a potential price drop.
Somehow, to me it seems that Microsoft comes out a billion points ahead in this game if this gets any play on GameTab, NeoGAF, EvilAvatar, IGN, Gamespot, 1up, Level up, and the like.
Hell, he could have offered to buy N'Gai a car and it would still be worth doing.
Jeez.
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