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Microsoft: PS4 won't make us change "anything" with Xbox One [ummm]
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DR2K
Banned
It's the seasons after when consumers are aware of what they're buying.
Sony doesn't have a digital store to satisfy buying, selling, trading, gifting, renting, etc. Nobody does, but as things go all digital consumers will expect those kinds of things. MS didn't have a focus that they conveyed well outside of the all-in-one entertainment box, but if you look at the business side of that it's clear MS wants to be your all-in-one digital retailer.
Of course competitors could all do it. Competitors can and have copied iTunes, Steam, Live, and other software services. There is an advantage to being first and MS believes that's where they need to be.
I have no idea if it's the right thing to do, and I'm not even necessarily agreeing with it. I am, however, very curious to see how it all plays out.
Every business is in it for the money. Even Sony.
WickedCobra03
Member
Good, great. Hopefully a game, set and match really quick then. I kind of started hating Microsoft after around 2007 or so when they started getting really arrogant and cocky, didn't give two flips about their outages, charged tons of money or made gaming on their system stupidly expensive for anyone who got a launch core or has a 20GB hdd. Don't get me wrong, I am happy they added support for thumb drives, but its not quite enough when you only have an extra 16GB or whatever. And to buy their 120 or 250 GB hdd was kind of crazy expensive for a machine I didn't have a ton of interest in using anymore (mostly due to how costly Live! was, pushing avatars, twitter, facebook, system kept getting slower with every update, huge game patches now and now following own rules, ect).
I do hate how the blu-ray association has made everything HDMI input only. We do have other TV's that maybe are a little older either at friends or up north that don't quite have HDMI on them yet, so the PS4 will basically be un-usable for anything really any older than 2006.
I do hate how the blu-ray association has made everything HDMI input only. We do have other TV's that maybe are a little older either at friends or up north that don't quite have HDMI on them yet, so the PS4 will basically be un-usable for anything really any older than 2006.
PanicFreak
Member
It's not launch but that doesn't matter. As a platform holder you want big exclusives to hit around six months to a year after the console has been on the shelves.
At that point you have a steady supply I consoles and a higher install base.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Major doubling down on that "go fuck yourself, San Diego" angle, huh?
I thought for a second that was a huge zit on his face
disastermouse
Banned
Where is that from?? I heard that somewhere and I don't remember where.
The_Player
Member
I want to believe, boy I want to, but even some gaffers picking Xbone over PS4 as their console of choice; common folks will get one they're used to.
Liberty4all
Banned
their arrogance knows no bounds.
Celestial Mortal
Member
Microsoft: "OMG PEOPLE CALM DOWN ! WE DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS ASK ! YOU ASKED FOR GAMES DIDN'T YA !? WELL WE BROUGHT GAMES WITH US ! EVEN IF MANY OF THEM AREN'T AVAILABLE AT LAUNCH ! HERE ! *shoves games into the faces*"
Microsoft is being happy with a limited number of new IPs/exclusives it brought. Sony brought new exclusives all over the PS3 era while MS laid back and enjoyed on the money brought by multi-platform games.
Microsoft is being happy with a limited number of new IPs/exclusives it brought. Sony brought new exclusives all over the PS3 era while MS laid back and enjoyed on the money brought by multi-platform games.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Wow its great MS will have their own company only console for its employees... very nice of them to make a console for only MS employees to play... 
Liberty4all
Banned
Also, you guys are just screaming 'arrogant, arrogant, arrogant'. What? Why? Because they are confident in their product? Because they dont bow to your whims and admit that what they're doing is awful and the worst thing ever?.
because they sound like assholes that don't give a shit what their customers think of their crappy policies.
There is truth in this. With twitter, youtube, facebook, ect people are far more aware of these things than they ever have been. The value of "word of mouth" has gained tremendously and its very easy for something to become stigmatized -- just look at Windows 8.
PSN has had sharing from day 1. Trading and selling can be implemented easily. If Sony did not have PSN then your argument would have some validation.
It's not really innovation at all. That's the point.
The fact that Sony is in it for the money is obvious. They are abusiness. I own a business I get that.
What's key here, is X1's model was conceived to fix a specific perceived revenue problem not to create a system so ground breaking that consumers would shower them with success.
The innovation of your games in the cloud is secondary to the primary objective..take back the dollars lost through 2nd / 3rd / 4th sale.
Let's not pretend otherwise.
More people were used to PS2's than Xboxes when the last consoles came out. It didn't stop them from buying Xbox 360s.
If the One and PS4 were the same price or if the One was launching much earlier than the PS4, I could see people just getting it.
But with the higher price and near simultaneous launch plus the One DRM PR disaster affecting a decent portion of the early adopter audience, I think there will be more 360 users switching back to the PS side of things. Not all, but enough for MS to take notice.
It's not just Twitter, YouTube, etc. The gripes about the Xbox One have been in the New York Times, Forbes, Reuters, etc. Microsoft's stock has slid since Monday, albeit only just over a point. People outside of gaming are watching because Microsoft has a lot to ride on this. The PC market is slowly diminishing and in turn so is Windows. Microsoft has failed to get a foothold in mobile and tablets. The Xbox One succeeding is a long term play for the preservation of company's relevance. The fact that this play encapsulates far beyond gaming explains why they're giving gamers the finger. Gaming is only a fraction of the Xbox One strategy.
$499
lazybones18
Banned
That was the better of the two videos.
Major's body language and attitude reflects nothing to me but that of some arrogant PR man spinning and throwing sales pitches in the face of consumer disapproval. I truly hope they seal their fate with this approach of refusal to acknowledge concerns. It makes me sick.
I totally agrere.
Indeed. If you think moms, dads and Joe Blow are going to pay $500 for this thing with all of the bad press surrounding it, then you have another thing coming. Especially when there will be the $399 PS4 sitting right beside it.
They are confident in a product that is garbage. And most people can see that it is garbage.
I'm not arguing with you that other couldn't do it, but they're currently not. MS isn't even doing it yet (the damn thing is not out) and they're not clear on exactly how they're going to do anything.
I clearly stated MS wants to be the all-in-one digital retailer and that's obviously about money, so do we really need to clarify that every time? They believe there is money lost from used games. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.
MS pushing forward on things like shared library is new. Yes, Sony made it possible for you to share, but it wasn't a shared library. MS didn't bring something totally original, but they're making something new of it that easier and more accessible. That's innovation. And, just to make sure you're clear, I know that they're implementing such a feature to draw gamers to the platform to *dun dun dun* make more money. If they move forward on really making an all-in-one store for buying, selling, renting, trading, gifting, etc. then that's innovation.
Put down the sword and shield, it's not necessary.
dragonelite
Member
I dont think they can before launch.
Launching only in 21 countries should be a sign they are supply constrained.
PS4 is doing bonkers in preorder numbers sony can use that given the state the company is in. Makes me wonder if sony can actually deliver so many console.
Moneyhats2k5
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EatinOlives
Member
Because they continue to make dismissive statements that undermine or minimize people's legitimate concerns and complaints, and they maintain the X1 will sell regardless of the massive twitter backlash, their E3 that didn't go well at all, and the incredibly lopsided post-E3 polls and preorder data.
It's not "confidence", it's outright delusion. They're not, of course, going to admit they fucked up, but they can at least shut the fuck up for a month or two for people to calm down instead of digging themselves deeper with shit like "TITANFALL. 'NUFF SAID", and "NUCLEAR SUBMARINE". That's why people are calling them arrogant.
Beerman462
Member
Good, I want to see Microsoft follow through with their plan until the bitter end. Go down with the ship MS. You won't be missed.
I got to the last page and this GIF doesn't have an Xbox One logo superimposed over the fins in the back yet? smh
HocusPocus
Member
Well it's a clear choice. Pick a box and have fun playing games.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
I'll be happy to try it out on PC and eventually PS4 since even the devs have stated its not out of the question: Microsoft doesn't own the IP. Plus not a launch title so what exclusives do they have at launch really other than Dead Rising 3?
Turn what around? The first is nigh impossible at this point, they are locked in on their policies and on the price. What are they going to do, recant on everything and drop the price? No way that's happening before launch, and it would likely hurt them more than it would help.
And the second, there is little to none indication that the Xbone is supply constrained. That's what MS will say to save face when the pre-order numbers start coming out. All you have to do is look at the largest online retailer in the world, Amazon. You can still buy an Xbone for launch day delivery nearly a week after the reveal. That doesn't look like supply constrained to me. Also, I haven't seen any reports of GS's running out of Xbone pre-orders.
User Name Here
Member
I'm glad this is true and I hope it gets Rift support.
Who says they don't? Sony has been very quiet about its digital policy so far. All we really know is that every PS4 game will be available day one as digital download and that PSN is open to any/all business models. If you look at all the amazing stuff they're doing with Gaikai's technology and the heavy emphasis on social gaming, there is no doubt that Sony sees this as a digital war and is every bit as prepared.
They might, but they won't say it's because of Sony.
Yeah screw that. I'm not going to support this game if they are going to sell it to MS only to come back a year later grovelling to the PS4 owners. This thing just looks like a first person Starhawk to me anyway, without even a single player mode like Starhawk.
true, dat PR spin
