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[Bgamer90]

Except I don't think MS can actually recover from this in the longterm like Sony did. They are too arrogant and unfocused on games. The Xbox has been dead in the exclusive department for years now, ever since MS decided on its new "vision". Not to mention this DRM shit isn't something you can undue easily while price drops over time.

If anything, the Xbox One getting more exclusive games than the 360 at this time is one positive area of the console.

Don't see how anyone can say that MS isn't focused on games with the Xbox One-- regardless of how they feel about the system's restrictions.

 

[NullPointer]

Once the systems get going, I honestly don't think that a large portion of the stereotypical "Xbox Dudebro" gaming audience will mind having to go online every 24 hours when they have the system on since sports games and shooters are popular because they are known for being the main online competitive games. When you add that fact in with games of those two genres making up basically half of the top 10 selling games, I honestly don't think that MS will have that much trouble in getting them to move over just as long as they make some huge changes to their PR (lol; they've been horrible in this area).

That still leaves a huge audience of players who aren't dedicated to sports or COD. What's in it for them? The Xbone's problem is splitting its userbase and then pitting one demographic against the other, with offline and single player gamers getting the shaft.

If the best MS can hope for is that their most lucrative audience "won't mind" the new restrictions, they're in for a world of hurt.

And I still don't think all of the shoes have dropped yet.

 

[FuturusX]

? Why this one? maybe because people asked for it?

Oh that how it works...

FF7 remake, Shenmue 3, Panzar Dragoon Saga 2 are on the way...

 

[Blue_Moon]

Microsoft’s Major Nelson said in an interview recently that Sony’s PS4 console isn’t going to make them change anything about their Xbox One system.

The PS4 pretty much beat out the Xbox One in positive press this week with it’s lack of used game DRM, lack of 24-hour check-ins, and price tag. When asked if these announcements by Sony will influence Microsoft and make them change what they’re doing with Xbox One he had this to say:

“I don’t think,… I mean we’re really not going to change anything we’ve done with Xbox One. We’re very happy,… did you see the games on stage during our briefing? Did you see the exclusives? I mean we’re really really proud of the system and the games that are coming out. When you look at games like TitanFall,… have you gone through Titanfall yet? Enough said. Conversation over. We’re really happy with what we showed on stage as well as what we’re showing here in the booth so I think it is uh,… it’s safe to say that we’re confident where we’re going. We’re also confident that gamers are going to love our vision of the future and what we’re going to offer for gaming”

Nelson seems a bit on the defensive here and I feel sympathy for him. I’ve always liked him personally and his job just got a lot harder with all the controversial policies of the Xbox One.

Of course, even if Microsoft planned to change something about the Xbox One in response to Sony’s PS4 they wouldn’t make that decision so quickly and wouldn’t admit it was Sony that influenced it. Still, they seem very proud of everything they’re doing with the Xbox One and hopefully when the system releases they tweak a few of their policies for the better.

well, then prepare for unforeseen consequences Microsoft.

 

[coldfoot]

But again, who gave a shit about MK, before the 2011 reboot?

More people cared about MK than KI, this is a fact. Where are the KI Hollywood movies?

The fact is that the most interesting games at E3 were multiplatform.

 

[FuturusX]

Well, alot of people were asking for it. Repeatedly. Over the previous 2 console generations.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

If anything, the Xbox One getting more exclusive games than the 360 at this time is one positive area of the console.

Don't see how anyone can say that MS isn't focused on games with the Xbox One-- regardless of how they feel about the system's restrictions.

Titanfall is a timed exclusive. What are the other exclusives?

Both PS4 have pretty tame line ups. Very risk averse.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Isn't KI not even being primarily developed by Rare?

 

[Fox Mulder]

Whatever, MS. Sony got bit by hubris after two straight generations of domination, MS doesn't even have that to justify their attitude.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

PS4 will make Microsoft change Xbone if it gets more of gamer's money.

 

[Bgamer90]

That still leaves a huge audience of players who aren't dedicated to sports or COD. What's in it for them?

Other exclusives they would be interested in on the system?

All I'm saying is that I don't think a large portion of the current Xbox live "Dudebro" gamers will mind the restrictions since many in that group mostly play games online.

The Xbone's problem is splitting its userbase and then pitting one demographic against the other, with offline and single player gamers getting the shaft.

Offline and single player gamers have been getting shafted for a while now. Tacked on multiplayer modes, day 1 updates fixing major problems, other game updates, etc.

I do agree that the Xbox One will split things even more but I knew from about 2008 or so that single player and/or offline console gamers were going to continue to be treated as a minority in terms of game features moving forward (from that point).

If the best they can hope for is that their most lucrative audience "won't mind" the new restrictions, they're in for a world of hurt.

They have a ton of other things outside of the restrictions though that can (and probably will) attract many -- it's just that their PR needs to be much better. It's had been very poor so far.

And I still don't think all of the shoes have dropped yet.

In terms of restrictions?

 

[zainetor]

Oh that how it works...

FF7 remake, Shenmue 3, Panzar Dragoon Saga 2 are on the way...

YOu cant compare something like that to a beat em up. Making KI3 doesnt cost millions of dollars. If nobody asked for it, they would not have bringed it back.

 

[coldfoot]

Alot of opinions as facts here?

MK being more popular than KI is a fact based on sales, merchandising, movies, etc.

Most popular games on e3 being multiplat is not fact but consensus. So I should have used that word there.

 

[MikeE21286]

How are we so sure that Titanfall is a times exclusive?


Has it been confirmed to be so?

 

[RevDM]

is that his response to everything? "titanfall". lol who gives a shit, it didn't even look that good.

I was really unimpressed with Titanfail. The game did not have that 'next gen' look to it.

 

[Neff]

Whoa. its starting to sound a little righteous there?

Remember that Sony, Nintendo, and now MS are all guilty of the very hubris we are criticizing. I know plenty of people making Xbox/PS/PC games who love what they do as a sincere form of expression. But if you feel any lf the platform holder is in this purely to push gaming as an art form, I'd have to strongly disagree. This is a business, first and foremost, from their perspective. The minute they lose that viewpoint, they cede everything to their competitors.

This has almost no bearing on what I said. My point is that MS' reverence for videogames, interest in developing good relations with customers, as well as cultivating long-term health for the industry, regardless of their obvious mandate to pursue profit, pales in comparison to that of Nintendo and Sony, who relatively speaking do at least 'get it', and us.

 

[FuturusX]

YOu cant compare something like that to a beat em up. Making KI3 doesnt cost millions of dollars. If nobody asked for it, they would not have bringed it back.

That's the point. KI is popular enough and crucially cheap enough to revive...my point was just because the fans asked for it is not reason enough.

 

[Bgamer90]

Titanfall is a timed exclusive. What are the other exclusives?

Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Quantaum Break, Sunset Overdrive, D4, etc.

You are right though that the 3rd party games are looking like they'll make both systems enjoyable to play during each of their launch periods regardless.

 

[Hindle]

I'm not sure they need to change anything yet, when they start the marketing and if they're still being out paced by Sony then yea, time for a rethink.

 

[Alebrije]

Microsoft’s Major Nelson said in an interview recently that Sony’s PS4 console isn’t going to make them change anything about their Xbox One system.

 

[Hazelhurst]

I can barley remember which game TitanFall was, is that the one with the mechs? That one is pretty cool.

Titanfall will be a huge success. MS should have locked it down to only the Xbox One.

 

[zainetor]

Well its pretty clearly not the only reason theyre downplaying it. Which part of it is false?

It's not F2p. Thay give you the option to try the full game for free, with jago. You can buy a full version at launch if you want or you can just stick with the free version and buy only the characters you like.
Team behind this game has a fighting game history (somebody worked on SSF2, SF turbo, weapon lord and even skullgirls).
On top of that, the most important thing is the feedback from who played it at e3.

Cmon, people were even whistling, during the stage demo, while the dude with the stick was playing.
the sony conference was a continue cheering, even for the most insignificant thing.
A lot of people are hating on youtube, just because its one exclusive. I'm not that blind.

 

[FuturusX]

Wasn't that the point? I feel like this argument is now close to biting its own ass...

No argument here. The game has little value in terms of creating a something truly interesting. Rare actually has far better games in the vault that could have been revived. It was a mediocre fighting game when launched - I can't imagine what they'll do with it now.

But let's just leave it there.

 

[quickwhips]

I'm not sure they need to change anything yet, when they start the marketing and if they're still being out paced by Sony then yea, time for a rethink.

They don't need to change anything and they are going to be outpaced worldwide because the release won't be worldwide like PS4. It won't matter because its is all about the long haul and being profitable.

 

[Animator]

Titanfall will be a huge success. MS should have locked it down to only the Xbox One.

It is a bit early to make definitive statements like this.

Also Titanfall is a EA game you can bet that a ton of "timed exclusive" clauses are written in their contract.

 

[Liha]

I hope M$ will die...

 

[krypt0nian]

This is how their world burns.

 

[Bgamer90]

They don't need to change anything and they are going to be outpaced worldwide because the release won't be worldwide like PS4. It won't matter because its is all about the long haul and being profitable.

I honestly think that MS doesn't even care about being behind the PS4 in console sales. I mean, as you said, they aren't releasing the system in as many areas as Sony is with the PS4.

I think that MS just wants people to get locked into their ecosystem via being constantly online on their console. They would rather make more money from people who are constantly online buying things in MS' ecosystem than to have people who are giving most of their money to brick and mortar stores and/or never purchasing DLC or digital maketplace entertainment.

 

[Hindle]

They don't need to change anything and they are going to be outpaced worldwide because the release won't be worldwide like PS4. It won't matter because its is all about the long haul and being profitable.

I actually think releasing in limited regions will help them. It's no coincidence the most important gaming markets are getting this system IMO. Focus heavily on those, then release WW later.

 

[NullPointer]

Offline and single player gamers have been getting shafted for a while now. Tacked on multiplayer modes, day 1 updates fixing major problems, other game updates, etc.

I do agree that the Xbox One will split things even more but I knew from about 2008 or so that single player and/or offline console gamers were going to continue to be treated as a minority in terms of game features moving forward (from that point).

You're right about the big publisher trends, but as long as there is single player and offline play PS4 will hold the clear advantage for customer experience over Xbone's online-required console.

In terms of restrictions?

Yes. And the details of Gold. I also don't expect future clarifications to have a positive effect on perceptions. Thats because my gut tells me that if their systems were as rosy a picture as the optimists among us believe, we'd know about it by now, in clear terms.

 

[Bgamer90]

You're right about the big publisher trends, but as long as there is single player and offline play PS4 will hold the clear advantage for customer experience over Xbone's online-required console.

Yes -- I stated many times before here that the PS4 is obviously the better choice for offline gamers who want to stick with discs.

Yes. And the details of Gold. I also don't expect future clarifications to have a positive effect on perceptions. Thats because my gut tells me that if their systems were as rosy a picture as the optimists among us believe, we'd know about it by now, in clear terms.

So far everything they've been saying about Gold has been good like having multiple profiles on the console only pay for one ($60) Xbox Live fee as a whole.

I think the messaging could still change things for the system -- it's just that the features will have to be smooth without any problems.

The Xbox One should sell out at launch regardless. The way that the early buyers feel about the system though will definitely shape a lot of its potential success during the course of next gen since as you already stated, it's going into it with a lot of negativity.

The people who will be buying consoles next year will only make up a fraction of the overall next-gen console userbase. Perceptions can change before the ball gets rolling.

 

[Zyae]

You guys expect them to publicly announce that they are trying to change their business model to match sonys, even if they are doing so?

 

[coldfoot]

Yes -- I stated many times before here that the PS4 is obviously the better choice for offline gamers who want to stick with discs.

How is the Xbox better for online gamers over the ps4?

 

[IzzyF3]

Michael Pachter had really good points on his interview with GT. Felt pretty spot on with how most publishers won't have the guts to utilities PS4 game locking and how Microsoft will have too much pride to change anything before launch.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/1zpcu1/e3-2013-e3-2013--pachter-interview--stream-

 

[quickwhips]

How is the Xbox better for online gamers over the ps4?

All games have dedicated servers hosted by ms. MS online has always been better so by last gen metric they will be better still.

 

[coldfoot]

All games have dedicated servers hosted by ms. MS online has always been better so by last gen metric they will be better still.

That is not true. Dedicated servers != dedicated game hosts

 

[Templar_Dante]

All games have dedicated servers hosted by ms. MS online has always been better so by last gen metric they will be better still.

Except for third party server games, everything from EA etc. and P2P games like COD. MS servers would be what connects you to third party offerings, not hosts your games.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

All games have dedicated servers hosted by ms. MS online has always been better so by last gen metric they will be better still.

They are better... however consoles are plagued with forced maps, matchmaking and other lameness. I'm no playing any more online games that shove some forced map with a timer for map voting... fuck, I want to play the maps I want to play not being forced to play some maps I don't care about! Fuck you COD and Halo for bringing this shit!.
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The pc used to do this sooo much better!

 

[LevelNth]

What will be super hilarious is when EA announces a PS4 port of Titanfall in February next year when they realize the poor sales on the Xbone despite eliminating the roughly 50k-100k used sales pales so horribly in comparison to the lost 500k-1m sales they'd of made being on both consoles.

Mark my words, EA doesn't give two shits about anyone. Work has begun hard on a PS4 port now, they aren't idiots, they see the news as easily as the next guy. It's called hedging your bets.

 

[Dai101]

People are downplaying it cause it looks bad as a fighter, is developed by developer with a poor track record and has no fighting game experience, and has terrible free to play model. It being on a bad console is just icing on the shit cake.

No. Most people are downplaying it just because is a Xbox One game. Secondly, everything you just said is pure miss information and ignorant. Want to know more go to this thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=581301 instead of spewing bullshit.

 

[RevDM]

Not sure if this is relevant to this thread but, what ever happened to the whole subsidized/subscription service MS was apparently going to do? $200 console + x dollars a month?

 

[xaosslug]

a complete scrap/overhaul/rebrand is NEEDED. 'XBOX One' is dead, in the eyes of too many at this point.

 

[Angry Fork]

Hmm..

Oh Microsoft. This Titan is sure to fall.

Wow, this is probably the best kaz gif, or at least top 3.

 

[tino]

a complete scrap/overhaul/rebrand is NEEDED. 'XBOX One' is dead, in the eyes of too many at this point.

Unless MS sell the Xbox division, is it even legally possible?

 

[xaosslug]

Uh, Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat have iconic characters. Everyone knows Ryu, Ken, Dhalsim, Chun Li, E Honda, Zangief, Guile, Blanka, Liu Kang, Johnny Cage, Sonya Blade, Sub Zero, Scorpion, Raiden, Shang Tsung, Goro, etc.

Like the most iconic character in KI is the knight dude on the cover and the chick who flashes people for an attack.

Who the fuck are you kidding?

i'd have said the most iconic character in KI is the dinosaur... whenever I think of Killer Instinct I remember the raptor/dinosaur.

 

[xaosslug]

Unless MS sell the Xbox division, is it even legally possible?

no, I mean MS need to scrap the name/concept 'XBOX One' and change the 'look' of the console as well as backtrack on current online/used games policies (just changing the policies won't really do much in the mass market mindshare, IMO) to 'right the ship'.

 

[Bgamer90]

How is the Xbox better for online gamers over the ps4?

My statement was never made to imply that.

It's just that its obvious as of right now that the PS4 will be better for offline gamers.

Can't really say anything much about online gaming features until the features of both are actually talked about in detail.

 

[Bgamer90]

a complete scrap/overhaul/rebrand is NEEDED. 'XBOX One' is dead, in the eyes of too many at this point.

Haha, at least wait until the system is out before making statements like this.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

Not sure if this is relevant to this thread but, what ever happened to the whole subsidized/subscription service MS was apparently going to do? $200 console + x dollars a month?

Rumors are this will start mid 2014...

 

[eddfromtheriver]

I honestly wasn't blown away with Titan fall...just another shooter Mr Nelson.

Pretty much... it reminds me of Starhawk oddly enough, and wow at Nelson's responses.

 

[Kariodude]

They will change one thing based on the PS4. Sales projections.