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[Evolved1]

Did you pay attention today at all? Microsoft specifically stated they are making an all-on-one entertainment box. They've been saying for years how they want to broaden their appeal to reach more consumers, a notion which the article that this very thread is based upon reinforces.

The average consumer, of which there are far more of than gaming enthusiasts who care about RAM type and TFLOPs, are relevant to this conversation.

You appear to have serious comprehension issues. Maybe you're a little worked up. But nothing you are saying has anything to do with a thing I've said during this exchange. So, I'm going to disengage for now while you sort yourself out.

 

[Anticitizen One]

But gais, WHAT IF M$ releases XBOX TWO in 2016?
Just like Xbox1 to 360?

I'm fairly confident that's their scheme

They see Apple fans buy an expensive device and then 1-2 years later buying an upgraded version and want a piece of that action

 

[oVerde]

From MSFT's engineer talk after the show, at specs panel, they are aiming to the always expanding performance through cloud computing.

As I understand: So the XONE must survive these graphics hurr durr couple of years until cloud gets even better and hybrid gaming will be reality.

 

[Durante]

Well I am not a techi but 5 billion transistors sounds a lot if you start looking around what hardware they can have. Well, they can count in more than the CPU and the GPU but what can these numbers be for the other stuff. GTX 680 has 3.5 billions transistors. A medium PC CPU 1.5 billon transistors or maybe lower. Plus the Xbox one will have power from the cloud. Help me

How many threads do you plan to post this in?

 

[kamicowzi]

So maybe I'm out of line...but I really must know...how many Wiis duct-taped together is it?

 

[AzaK]

Could be the rumors of the engineers having trouble with heat were true. A roomy box will help with that. Really to me the box didnt look all that big. It's certainly not as big as the OG xbox.

Well wired said it's on 40nm so heat could be a problem I'm guessing.

 

[P44]

Why, Halo4 looked amazing with 512mb of ram. How is 8 disappointing?

In a vacuum, no, you wouldn't be disappointed, but if you look over to the PS4 exclusives, they'll be pumping out things that would frankly look significantly better, with that sort of power disparity, especially as the generation moves on. Halo 4 looked ok for this generation, and Halo V will comparatively look very nice, but I don't think it will be touching KZ in terms of fidelity. Not the be all and end all, by all means, gameplay should be the basis of your choice here, but I'd still find it a little dissapointing.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Xbox 1.5

Spoiler

* 2/3

 

[Can Crusher]

Everything I'm reading from today's reveal sounds like a cluster fuck. Good job MS.

 

[Ifrit]

Isn't that how the wii started?

Well I guess it actualy worked for them for a good while

 

[P90]

So how does the WiiU, PS4, and XOne all compare in power, percentage or ratio-wise?

 

[JordanN]

games cost a whole lot more to develop and market these days compared to even the generation before the 360 and PS3. If people keep on pushing the whole 'we need super-visual improvements, that's like the most important part of the whole gen!' mentality we're gonna end up with a game industry that is somehow even more centered on massive, mega-marketed, safe AAA sequels, because games are going to cost even more to make

I don't see why people concern themselves with games costs when it's certainly not going down.

If you don't want costs to move, stick to the PS3/360. Next gen consoles benefit from having above and beyond graphics so resources should be spent on it or else why bother with next gen consoles?

 

[Sydle]

You appear to have serious comprehension issues. Maybe you're a little worked up. But nothing you are saying has anything to do with a thing I've said during this exchange. So, I'm going to disengage for now while you sort yourself out.

Dude, the original article of this thread has a quote from MS saying they are targeting a more broad entertainment play, so they obviously have a different philosophy than Sony and one that differs from your interests. In other words, what are you doing in this thread other than whining?

 

[Silly.Mikey]

In a vacuum, no, you wouldn't be disappointed, but if you look over to the PS4 exclusives, they'll be pumping out things that would frankly look significantly better, with that sort of power disparity, especially as the generation moves on. Halo 4 looked ok for this generation, and Halo V will comparatively look very nice, but I don't think it will be touching KZ in terms of fidelity. Not the be all and end all, by all means, gameplay should be the basis of your choice here, but I'd still find it a little dissapointing.

Until we see MS actually show a first party game to compare it with, its really pointless to even debate this. COD was never a visual juggernaut. On paper ps4 has more power. This in the actual gaming world means nothing most of the time. Ps3 and 360 are proof enough.

 

[Angelus Errare]

The specs weren't upgraded to some 2.5TFLOP monster like Xbox-GAF was swearing up and down?

I for one am shocked! SHOCKED I tell ya!

 

[Windom Earle]

Considering pretty much all the hardware rumors turned out to be true, I am taking a wild guess that always online was real at some point not so long ago. So in the end MS can be thankful to Adam Orth and hire him again!

Microsoft didn't wow me at all. And while I was initially lukewarm on the PS4 announcement as well, Sony had a much better showing, and it's not even E3 yet.

It's crazy how much further Sony was a few months ago when they did their presentation. Can't wait to see what they have cooking for E3. MS is "saving" all the games till then, but considering they had to show live action bullshit today instead of gameplay, I am thinking they are feverishly working till the last minute to show at least something.

Well this next gen will officially see little graphical improvement besides a bump in resolution.

Nope.

 

[10k]

This is Nintendo's fault.

Hahaha I laughed when I read this. Yes, Nintendo somehow fucked up Microsoft and its forward thinking.

 

[Palette Swap]

Things are going to get so weird when Xbox users start posting stuff like "but how many teraflops do you need to make a game fun?"

 

[10k]

Well wired said it's on 40nm so heat could be a problem I'm guessing.

RROD2 XboxOne exclusive confirmed!

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Until we see MS actually show a first party game to compare it with, its really pointless to even debate this. COD was never a visual juggernaut. On paper ps4 has more power. This in the actual gaming world means nothing most of the time. Ps3 and 360 are proof enough.

No, it doesn't mean "nothing". PS3 and Xbox 360 had different architecture with chips from different companies, PS4 and Xbox One have nearly identical architectures with chips from the same company. Visual differences will be clearly visible.

 

[Sipheren]

Going by the game footage they showed it all looked just like stuff that is currently on the 360 (especially Forza, GT6 trailer looked better imo), so if this is what the console can do then it is going to be competing more with the Wii U than the PS4. (I am not taking into account actual technical details, because it really doesn't matter, what the games look like matters).

That said, even though the PS4 did show some very nice visuals and is technically a lot better than the other 2, unless devs actually develop primarily for it I feel that it will be just like the PS3 and not be utilised until much later in life.

So multiplat games will end up looking essentially the same on all 3.

It's all going to come down to price and exclusives, who can give the most for the least cost.

Should be interesting.

 

[i-Lo]

These fucking excuses veiled under business speak pisses me off.

Also, Reiko and SpecialGuy should be kept an eye upon

it doesn't really mean anything cause guess what, ps4 is nowhere near the highest end graphics either (MID TO LOW TIER pc gpu etc)

also, how did it show in what was presented? only ghosts looked crap, and i'm sure that'll look the same on both next gen platforms.

the other stuff was either non-gameplay angle (thus hard to judge) or looked at least on par as any other next gen stuff teased yet.

LoL, this is sad, especially after all that special sauce bullshit and the second most powerful computer. My god it's like talking to a fracking wall.

 

[JordanN]

Until we see MS actually show a first party game to compare it with, its really pointless to even debate this. COD was never a visual juggernaut. On paper ps4 has more power. This in the actual gaming world means nothing most of the time. Ps3 and 360 are proof enough.

The PS3 never had a clear advantage though. Having the CPU pick up where the GPU was weak.

PS4 looks to be more free with both its CPU and GPU.

 

[Xavien]

And tell me, do you believe itll look different on a ps4?

I believe that the PC version will look better, the PS4 version, maybe. We'll have to see.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Until we see MS actually show a first party game to compare it with, its really pointless to even debate this. COD was never a visual juggernaut. On paper ps4 has more power. This in the actual gaming world means nothing most of the time. Ps3 and 360 are proof enough.

WTF WERE YOU PLAYING?
Uncharted, Killzone, Gran Turismo, MLB The Show are all beyond what the 360 ever produced & is capable of.
There just wasn't enough Sony first party games taking advantage of the hardware to fully dominate it.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

No, it doesn't mean "nothing". PS3 and Xbox 360 had different architecture with chips from different companies, PS4 and Xbox One have nearly identical architectures with chips from the same company. Visual differences will be clearly visible.

Most people won't give a shit.

 

[Waaghals]

Not if Xbox is the leading platform for multiplats again.

In which case you could possibly get worse performance.

The original xbox was more powerful than the PS2 and got the superior version of most games.
Even though the PS2 was very different and the marked leader.

PS3 ports suffered because it was full of bottlenecks.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

The PS3 never had a clear advantage though. Having the CPU pick up where the GPU was weak.

PS4 looks to be more free with both its CPU and GPU.

Sure, but it doesnt change the fact that they really didnt show anything first party at this event. So comparing Killzone to a Call of duty demo and a forza video is incredibly short sighted.

 

[Windom Earle]

Most people won't give a shit.

Just like nobody gives a shit about Digital Foundry comparisons amirite?

It might not matter in the audience MS is going for, but it does among enthusiasts.

 

[J-Rzez]

Well I believe what they said. Most of the rumors seemed to have panned out. Now there's one major one lurking still, and that's if the OS reserves 3GB of memory. That maybe a massive issue.

Will be weird that the PS4 will have the better resolution, IQ, frame rate this time around with multi-plats. That was a big selling point to some people last gen, they wouldn't make an about face on that I'd assume.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

Well I believe what they said. Most of the rumors seemed to have panned out. Now there's one major one lurking still, and that's if the OS reserves 3GB of memory. That maybe a massive issue.

Will be weird that the PS4 will have the better resolution, IQ, frame rate this time around with multi-plats. That was a big selling point to some people last gen, they wouldn't make an about face on that I'd assume.

If it bites MS in the ass, itll be their own damn fault.

For me all this means is that if there is a huge diff in games, then those games i would have potentially bought on Xbox before, i will now get on the ps4 instead. Ill live.

 

[kaching]

Wow, you :-O ?? Things are really changing.

There was a lot of people "handing in their Xbox jackets" after the initial 360 reveal too, years ago. I'd wait a few months before taking it all at face value.

 

[Green Yoshi]

So this mean that Xbox one are not gettin much of 3rd party support?

No, EA has a very special relationship with Microsoft. If nobody buys the Xbox One though...

 

[Strike]

That was pretty obvious when they didn't go into too much detail about the specs and just focused their presentation on games and services. Probably still wont be cheap with Kinect bundled in though.

 

[Seance]

Cool. I hope the price reflects that.

Nope. Kinect will make up the difference easily enough. Sad to for Xbox fans...

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Just like nobody gives a shit about Digital Foundry comparisons amirite?

It might not matter in the audience MS is going for, but it does among enthusiasts.

I said "most people", not "enthusiasts". Graphics enthusiasts own PCs.


And yes, I thought CoD:G looked disappointing.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Fml. This is what I saw coming and yet all of Gaf said I was crazy, pessimistic, etc. I want Xbox-Xbox 360 era MS back where they built for the gamer first.

 

[anexanhume]

Thing is, their APU is likely just as large, if not larger than the PS4 APU despite it having a larger GPU. So they don't save money there. I'm willing to bet their Kinect BOM is higher than the PSeye too. So the only advantage they have is DDR3 vs GDDR5 pricing. They won't be able to start the pricing more than $100 less than the lowest PS4 SKU, if they even try.

 

[soulassssns]

Halo fans must be disappointed as fuck.

Halo TV series says hi and I am not disappointed. E3 is where all the games will be shown and I expected that before this reveal even happened.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Halo fans (and Xbox fans in general) must be disappointed as fuck.

Yup.

It really hurts. =/

 

[Sheroking]

Thing is, their APU is likely just as large, if not larger than the PS4 APU despite it having a larger GPU. So they don't save money there. I'm willing to bet their Kinect BOM is higher than the PSeye too. So the only advantage they have is DDR3 vs GDDR5 pricing. They won't be able to start the pricing more than $100 less than the lowest PS4 SKU, if they even try.

Tough to know on the Kinect thing. They had technology in place before hand, where as the Eye is more or less new tech all the way through. Though the Kinect seems more advanced, R&D would be the cost to recoup for both, no?

 

[Windom Earle]

I said "most people", not "enthusiasts". Graphics enthusiasts own PCs.


And yes, I thought CoD:G looked disappointing.

And I say that the Xbox is still a machine that caters to gamers and especially to core gamers in its early life cycle.

If MS can really turn the Xbox into the new iPad or something, more power to them. Until then, graphical differences will matter.

 

[MichaelCorleone]

1st reply wins again!

Way to live up to your tag.



Microsoft sure aren't going hard this gen.
In fact they have simply gone flaccid.

* Pours a 40 for the XBOX brand*

 

[Brashnir]

Nope. I bet it'll look the same and it will be totally uninteresting for the people who buy a PS4 - 'cus COD Ghosts is releasing for 360 and PS3 and that's where people will play it.



Did you even read what i wrote? "Systems" ffs.

I read it, but the PS3 will at no point in its lifetime be in a power class with the most powerful PCs. It will be closer to the X1 at launch than it will be to top-end PC GPUs. A lot closer.

 

[RoKKeR]

This shit better be $299.

 

[Opiate]

Smart choice. Puts Sony in sort of an awkward position, though; the PS4 will need to sell quite well for companies to feel it's worth their time to spend considerable resources upgrading the PS4 version.

 

[Coxswain]

That's probably the first and only piece of good news that's come out of this whole debacle.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I just don't think the market for Xboxes is primarily people looking for "all in one entertainment centers," its mostly people who want to play Halo. I don't claim to be some kind of market research specialist but it seems common-sense that people won't want to shell out $500 for a machine that does stuff they already can do with minimal inconvenience.

 

[Linkhero1]

Cool. I hope the price reflects that.

Probably won't be noticeable since Kinect will raise costs.

 

[SpaceHobo]

I'm fairly confident that's their scheme

They see Apple fans buy an expensive device and then 1-2 years later buying an upgraded version and want a piece of that action

Given development time / cost it's stupid to even consider it.

1-2 year hardware revisions are never happening in the console space.