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Microsoft will show the world whats next at May 23rd event in Shanghai
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I agree, specs wise that Lenovo kills the SB. But I think looking at quality and design choices I fell in love with the SB. Just looking for a good deal so I can reorder..
Yeah I think I'm still good on the SB. I ordered one a week ago and it arrived damaged so I sent it back for a refund, and waited to see if there would be a SB2 before reordering.
I think I'm still set on the SB.
backwards compatible with older devices. thank the lord.
Shogmaster
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There are values givens to looks, but the viewer's opinions are subjective.
I'm glad you agree.
Shogmaster
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Probably when 32GB SoDIMMs are available. Even though likes of Surface have soldered on RAM chips, they can't have tons of chips on the mobo. So they need high density chips as would SoDIMM modules.
Shogmaster
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I agree and I don't. For instance, I love how the Lenovo Yoga 720 looks. That other guy literally says it "looks like shit". Who is right? It's just fucking opinions. And even though I'm a professional artist and a designer, I will not say he is wrong about is own opinion.
But given that there can be wildly different opinions on looks, it's not worth the time to give them objective values.
Right, it's just as silly as you asserting that you have an objective grasp of value while others don't.
...I'll allow it
Shogmaster
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No it's not. Value is CALCULABLE. You can see how much hardware you get for your money. It's OBJECTIVE. And you can COMPARE such values numerically.
What you are trying to do, which is incorporate opinions like looks into the equation is SUBJECTIVE.
32GB will be a thing once LPDDR4 compatible Intel CPUs will come out.
you are forgetting, maybe cause you completely ignored my response to you, that you can also calculate value from experience. I have experience with lenovo products, i find the products and support to both be of a sub par nature. Where as with Microsoft my experience in both those categories is well above par. And should something not be good, there is a store right here in my city that i can go to and get the problem resolved. VS lenovo i have to send it off some where while they fix it and then wait for it to come back.
You're confusing specifications such as cpu, memory, storage with value of a product. Did you calculate the value of the magnesium material used for Surface Pro?
Your definition of value is narrow and is your own definition which you are trying to enforce on everyone else.
Anton Sugar
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Value is extremely subjective because it's measured against whatever your goal is. A change in your goal can change the value of something. Very different from objective stuff like specs.
I don't understand how the base i5 4GB model can be $999 when previous i5 4GB base models have been $999 with the pen included for years. It's essentially an increase in price -- a pen tax, if you will.
I could understand if they dropped the base i5 price to $899, but this is ridiculous.
My Surface Pro replacement is guaranteed to be the next Dell XPS (with a pen?) or the next Switch Alpha if it ever gets announced. Maybe Lenovo, but I'm wary because of the spyware issue a while back.
I could understand if they dropped the base i5 price to $899, but this is ridiculous.
My Surface Pro replacement is guaranteed to be the next Dell XPS (with a pen?) or the next Switch Alpha if it ever gets announced. Maybe Lenovo, but I'm wary because of the spyware issue a while back.
Shogmaster
Member
Sigh...
Specification is clearly part of the value equation, as is materials used. But unless the looks is so extreme that it's universally panned, it's subjective and cannot be part of quantifying value. Magnesium is great for making things light but if someone else achieved similar weight with other quality materials like aluminum, it's a bit moot. But weight IS part of the equation, so use of magnesium can be accounted for.
But then again, I'm not telling you to disregard your judgement of how something looks to determine whether you like something and want something. Go ahead. Knock yourself out. But don't pretend that your decision making process is somehow objective and logical. It's not. It all based on your personal taste and bias. "I like it". "I hate it". Well good for you! But it's not part of an informed opinion like value per dollar.
According to Shog, it's an all-in-one technical marvel. I'd take his word and go for it.
Yay. It improves on the Surface Pro 4. What's not to love?
Nice try trying to shift value to value per dollar, but really, you don't hold the authority on what constitutes value. And seriously, your opinion is informed while everyone else's isn't? Good lord, get off your high horse.
its Shog, he's right and the rest of us should be thankful for his valuable insights.
Shogmaster
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From my high horse view, I think it's a great device for Microsoft's portfolio, but not much for us consumers. It's a great halo device but the value proposition is terrible, especially since there are too many good 3rd party OEM versions in this space now.
And too much conflicting information about the pen, which is concerning: The Verge clearly states that the IAF is 12 grams but that too fucking high compared to Wacom's 1 gram. Maybe it's 2 grams and it's a typo, but seeing that their last gen pens had 10 grams IAF, I don't know what the fuck is up frankly. Hopefully The Verge got it wrong.
And too much conflicting information about the pen, which is concerning: The Verge clearly states that the IAF is 12 grams but that too fucking high compared to Wacom's 1 gram. Maybe it's 2 grams and it's a typo, but seeing that their last gen pens had 10 grams IAF, I don't know what the fuck is up frankly. Hopefully The Verge got it wrong.
The new Surface Pro is super expensive here. The 256gb, 8gb version (the only one acceptable in 2017), is 1500 euros (without keyboard AND pen) makes it MacBook Pro tier. With the MacBooks with touch bar being 2000 (the one without it is 1800) with a better processor and MacOS (with Windows using bootcamp) but without the touch screen and less versatile obviously. But the specs are better without a doubt.
It's a tough choice between the two for any non artists. Both excellent computers no doubt.
Edit: value is personal obviously. This post is to highlight that price between the two is really close which makes a comparasion difficult. Personally I haven't seen a laptop that compares to these two when it comes to build quality. There are some close but not right there.
It's a tough choice between the two for any non artists. Both excellent computers no doubt.
Edit: value is personal obviously. This post is to highlight that price between the two is really close which makes a comparasion difficult. Personally I haven't seen a laptop that compares to these two when it comes to build quality. There are some close but not right there.
CriterionDog
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<3 Surface! Excited for my laptop. (Only had a SP2)
I really hope Microsoft gets the push with the windows store they derserve. Google apps need to come. lol
I really hope Microsoft gets the push with the windows store they derserve. Google apps need to come. lol
brotkasten
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Shogmaster
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Sooooo 8.9 grams? lolz
I guess The Verge suck surprising no one, and Wacom's 1 gram IAF is still the king.