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Microsoft: Xbox One reversals haven't hurt us; "we're in an enviable position"
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The role reversal from this launch to last gen is amazing. Looking at MS launch positioning and tactics for 360 the PS4 looks like the real successor to that (games first, lower price point, more choice options and media as a bonus) whereas the XB1 looks like the successor to the PS3 launch message (all in one media and entertainment hub, single box to sit under your TV, higher price but worth it, etc).
Must be driving both sets of hardcore fans mad with indecision what to do.
Must be driving both sets of hardcore fans mad with indecision what to do.
highrider
Banned
Yes, you can use dismissive action as opposed to telling everyone how dismissive you would be theoretically.
As for the op, Microsoft stuck on stupid.
NobleGundam
Banned
PR talk. Stahp. Just Stahp.
Yeah, edited my post. Missed there were two links...and even re-read them both a couple times
.KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Didn't realize I was on Reddit.
Yea, you should probably stop flinging your anti-nationalist poop in this thread.
That's a funny way to spell pre-orders.
Unprecedented precedence.
But look how scared they all get tho. SMDH
SwiftDeath
Member
Yep it's a good thing for sure
Although with MS's approach to game exclusives it will likely mean more timed exclusives than anything new
Maybe they are starting to foster more 1P studios as others have stated elsewhere?
I know black tusk is working on something
There were a lot of games I loved on the OG Xbox so maybe they'll get back to that creativeness?
la flama blanca
Banned
This. I always look for the Dr. Katz avatar.
The Living Tribunal
Member
I'm not going to dignify his post with a serious response.
Nope, definitely GAF not Reddit, where being dismissive is always better than having a discussion or presenting counterpoints. I mean seriously just do a Google search, it's not like this is an uncommon view of American culture. There are many, many studies and articles about American exceptionalism and how children are brought up regarding independence, standing out and above everyone else, etc.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
There is no evidence of this, it is all anecdotal. They are still selling more consoles than Sony in both the US and UK. The Forza/Fifa deal was obviously aimed at mainland Europe with the UK included because they couldn't justify not including them.
Reality has a well known PS4 bias.
Liberty4all
Banned
Here is what I don't understand:
How hard is it to just come out and say:
"You know what guys? We screwed up. We thought that the cloud stuff was a great idea, but we really didn't take into account the backlash we would see on our DRM policies. Bottom line we made mistakes with our business plan. So we've tossed those policies out the window ... you the consumers have made it crystal clear what you want and we are now trying to listen to that better than we did before.
Again guys we are sorry for our initial screwup, but we want you to know we will do better going forward."
Instead of
"We're in a fucking awesome spot right now, shit man people envy us brah. Mistakes? Microsoft doesn't make mistakes bitch."
How hard is it to just come out and say:
"You know what guys? We screwed up. We thought that the cloud stuff was a great idea, but we really didn't take into account the backlash we would see on our DRM policies. Bottom line we made mistakes with our business plan. So we've tossed those policies out the window ... you the consumers have made it crystal clear what you want and we are now trying to listen to that better than we did before.
Again guys we are sorry for our initial screwup, but we want you to know we will do better going forward."
Instead of
"We're in a fucking awesome spot right now, shit man people envy us brah. Mistakes? Microsoft doesn't make mistakes bitch."
I think people are too quick to jump back into bed with Microsoft just because they put the handcuffs back in the drawer.
The XBO isn't going to go away after Christmas, it's a 5+ year console, that's plenty of time to show me there's a genuine interest in producing quality content that doesn't rely on timed 3rd party exclusives and DLC. I also have no interest in the NFL, using the XBO as a TV guide, or buying a Kinect, but I'll be interested to see how those things play out as bullet points on the box when the system is on shelves.
I was also disgusted by the sheer amount of control they worked to exert over smaller developers this generation, strong arming them into bad situations and then not working to add visibility to those developer's products, among other things. There are clearly some talented, well meaning individuals working in the Xbox division, but up until now, it seems those people were mostly reporting to and taking instruction from people with no real long term vision or interest in the platform. If next generation ends up with those same people making the calls, then all of this is likely for nothing.
Words are wind, show me real intent, long term desire to improve a bad situation and not just put a bandaid on the wound until the itching stops. Then we'll talk about me buying what you're selling.
The XBO isn't going to go away after Christmas, it's a 5+ year console, that's plenty of time to show me there's a genuine interest in producing quality content that doesn't rely on timed 3rd party exclusives and DLC. I also have no interest in the NFL, using the XBO as a TV guide, or buying a Kinect, but I'll be interested to see how those things play out as bullet points on the box when the system is on shelves.
I was also disgusted by the sheer amount of control they worked to exert over smaller developers this generation, strong arming them into bad situations and then not working to add visibility to those developer's products, among other things. There are clearly some talented, well meaning individuals working in the Xbox division, but up until now, it seems those people were mostly reporting to and taking instruction from people with no real long term vision or interest in the platform. If next generation ends up with those same people making the calls, then all of this is likely for nothing.
Words are wind, show me real intent, long term desire to improve a bad situation and not just put a bandaid on the wound until the itching stops. Then we'll talk about me buying what you're selling.
I don't think there is really any indecision at all. I know myself and core group of friends are jumping over to ps4 next gen. We've been on 360 playing halo for years but Microsoft really screwed themselves this time.
You are going to solely disappointed when everything is a digital in 10 years.
I wouldn't expect it to change this gen though.
Goodacre0081
Member
this is what I was hoping for at the May21st reveal. I wanted them to blow me away with a video game console. That didn't happen and we got what some analysts said years earlier, a microsoft branded box in the living room.
They kinda have already...
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...censing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/
Liberty4all
Banned
That's not a sorry. That's a "Our customers are fucking stupid to understand the majesty of our plan"
=/
With a title like "ahead" of consumers, that's not at all what the poster was suggesting MS should have said. What they said was belittling. You should never tell your consumers that they "don't get it", which is exactly what saying their ideas were "ahead" of their consumers means.
Also add to that MS has been stubbornly adamant in not admitting that their original ideas were horrible, only their messaging of those ideas. That again suggests that your consumers are idiotic sheep who can't see a bad idea for what it is, only being able to be dictated to on whether an idea is good or bad.
3rdamention
Member
How can you say there is no evidence of the PS4 outselling the Xbox One, then turn around and say the Xbox One is selling more consoles than the PS4?
Do you even understand what you are saying? lol.
RedNumberFive
Banned
They've already hinted at that by telling consumers that they're too dumb to understand their vision.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
This is cute. If it was a loud minority then why the pre orders did not reflect that? MS changed their anti consumer policies because very few people wanted to buy that anti consumer piece of shit prior to the policy shift. It was a clear majority, and MS´s policy change reflected that very clearly.
TheJollyCorner
Member
does it stress you out?
The quote in the title alone is insulting, the rest of the article is basically just a way of saying their customer base isn't advanced or mature enough to understand how wonderful the plans MS had in place were.
GASP. SHOCK. Someone cherry picked and massaged a response and presented it in a way that would get already hostile anti-MS posters to leap on and lol? That's how you get popular threads going.
I guess I need to work on my anti-MS reading comprehension because I didnt get that at all. Oh well carry on...
Chobel
Member
Where did get that from?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Anecdotal or not, but where are you getting this from? I assume you are talking about the 360? Because that is meaningless to next gen. Also the figures Zomgbbq posted were not anecdotal.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=592171
This is for a single retail chain in the UK that showed LTD preorders up to mid July being 3:2 in favor of PS4. With each new week bringing in 2:1 ratio of orders in favor of the PS4. Granted there haven't been any updates since. Which is a shame.
Liberty4all
Banned
Holy fuck that article is infuriating.
It's like "yeah we basically ignored you guys for a few years. But shit man why don't you want to give us 500 dollars now? And for fuck's sake we listened to your whines and we took back our awesome DRM policies, why are you still complaining bitches?"
GetemMa
Member
Launch sales mean nothing. Both consoles will sell out. On preorders they are behind at least 2:1 and many people have said it is as high as 4:1. Those initial policies have been tremendously damaging to their reputation, which wasn't particular sparkling to begin with.
BTW: 3DS outsold 360 in the last two months in NPD. "Dominating" the charts is a bit of a leap.
Whatever. It will take them this entire generation to gain my trust back.
"To some extent, Penello says, he understands when some people say they don't completely trust Microsoft following its reversal on Xbox One licensing. 'I think over the last couple of years, we were focused on those new customers coming in, and I think we lost touch a little bit with the core gamers," he said. "My joke internally is our relationship with the core gamer is like your best friend whose phone calls you didn't return until you asked him for $500.' I think it's fair feedback. I think it was a wake-up call for the team.'"
At least they acknowledge it. Showing TV features for so long during the announcement and showing fantasy football on the first commercial isn't doing them any favors in changing this perception.
"To some extent, Penello says, he understands when some people say they don't completely trust Microsoft following its reversal on Xbox One licensing. 'I think over the last couple of years, we were focused on those new customers coming in, and I think we lost touch a little bit with the core gamers," he said. "My joke internally is our relationship with the core gamer is like your best friend whose phone calls you didn't return until you asked him for $500.' I think it's fair feedback. I think it was a wake-up call for the team.'"
At least they acknowledge it. Showing TV features for so long during the announcement and showing fantasy football on the first commercial isn't doing them any favors in changing this perception.
Why, it's not like you'd believe them if they did.
RedRooster
Member
Half this forum is so hilarious, I love coming here!
How on earth can a company have it's head so deeply buried in the sand? I am embarrassed for them.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
tfur
Member
Ohhhh you lot. You're like them little kids in the playground at first-break!
I don't remember what grade it was, somewhere between 1st - 4th? But, me and this other kid had a planned fight every single day. It was by the oak tree, and it lasted until after the recess bell. They just let us fight, until it go too violent.
I was fight club way before Fight Club.
The poster was talking about the loud minority that normally preorders 100 consoles on launch day each, so their absence caused a huge drop in preorder numbers, obviously.
Very much so. Already cancelled my Xbox One preorder over it, tbqh.
I don't see the big problem. People assumed they were being evil. What they were planning will probably eventually happen. Perhaps their plans were a bit too early.
But to attack them for their vision,
And then attack them for changing is silly.
You have to listen to your customers.
Business does have to have a spine and not listen to everything, but it is game over if you completely ignore the noise. Filtering and reacting appropriately is necessary.
But to attack them for their vision,
And then attack them for changing is silly.
You have to listen to your customers.
Business does have to have a spine and not listen to everything, but it is game over if you completely ignore the noise. Filtering and reacting appropriately is necessary.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Did you read what I was replying to?
There is no evidence that the PS4 has more preorders in the UK/US than the XB1.
Separately in the UK/US MS are still easily outselling Sony, so there is no mind-share issue, people haven't stopped buying Xbox.
Where are you getting your pre-order data to support these claims exactly?