Well PSNow didn't hold on to me and I am a core PS user. People have so many subscriptions these days, they are looking for reasons to cancel. Netflix lost half a million subs in North America recently for instance. I love cancelling subscriptions and leaving horribly scathing feedback more than I actually use the damned things...
To be fair Netflix is pretty terrible for anyone outside the US and not that good for people that live there.
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Yeah that's a good callout. I don't think there are any big third-party exclusive games that aren't available on PlayStation (e..g, Call of Duty, Fortnite, Battlefield, etc.)
On the other side we have what some people call it "the xbox fan persecution complex."
I wonder if their q4 2020 got inflated by lockdown and therefore as we started to exit it, the engagement numbers dropped.
Yeah, that is a possibility, which is why I mentioned a similar recent experience with me in my company.
It's not a persecution complex when you literally aren't allowed to talk about it outside a single thread.
Will have to wait till the first week of August but think this might have been forecasted by Sony
www.gamesindustry.biz
Of course. I do like a bit of jelly with my toast. Avatar pic, Edit, Crop, Upload, Save.True, but the point about supply not being able to meet demand applies to both, probably even Nintendo as well tho Switch sales have kind of softened going into 2021 (OLED will most likely bring all of that back up, even if I think it's kind of a mediocre device technologically speaking, for the price).
I think the hardware sales particularly stand out due to them being better than 360's, so that gives us something to reference numerically speaking that hasn't necessarily been the case with Xbox for a while except for other people trying to extrapolate numbers from official data given. But for me personally, that takes a backseat to the revenue total which seems really impressive considering how much less systems they have in their console install base compared to Sony and Nintendo.
The one thing I was just wanting to show there is that the relationship between console install base and ecosystem revenue is nowhere near a linear one. Personally, I think it could be enough to give, say, Sony, some pause to consider if producing/selling 2.5x the number of consoles in a system lifetime is worth "only" a 46% increase in ecosystem revenue (and IIRC, the ecosystem annual profits for both are even narrower than that).
That being said, there's obviously some aspects of Sony's approach Microsoft could stand to look at to figure how to incorporate those successfully into their ecosystem. Chiefly, because Sony has more console presence in global markets, it affords them a mindshare in places Xbox simply doesn't have, and in terms of cultural impact on a global scale mindshare means a lot.
Microsoft probably wants to use methods like Xcloud for handling that, dunno if the costs in producing a ton more consoles outright, at least in the first couple of years, is something they desire to do, whereas for Sony they're kind of forced to do it as it's expected of them at this point (so it's both a blessing and a curse, in a way).
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Do they report first and third party revenue separately? I ask because if they are grouped, even if 3rd parties are down, it might be offset by stronger first party sales. Microsoft didn't have a lot to compensate with
If I don't recall wrong, even Nintendo predicted a decrease for the quarter.
Somebody in this thread said it would be a disaster for Sony if they had a 4% software drop, but Covid combined with TLOU2, Fortnite and Warzone, means it could see a double digit drop.Will have to wait till the first week of August but think this might have been forecasted by Sony
PlayStation revenues near $25bn as PS5 ships 7.8m in five months
The launch of the PlayStation 5 and a solid line-up for PlayStation 4 helped drive a strong year for Sony Corporation.T…
I think they just report software as one item.
Didn't realize TLoU2 was on this same quarter last year.
"Of course it sold less, we have TOO MANY amazing exclusive games so we can't buy them all"I wonder what people will say regarding slower sales without a Gamepass-like service those can be attributed to
It literally says offset by GP subscriptions and first party … so GP helped keeping the loss lower ..
Given that Sony and Nintendo are also expecting drops, either gamepass is impacting all gamers or its an external factor (maybe like everyone after lockdown bought a shit tonne of games)
No, read the thread please. Both Nintendo and Sony expect the same quarter to be downward.
No, too soon to make that conclusion in this particular instance. First, we will have to see if Sony also reports a proportionately similar decline. As these are third-party games, they should affect Sony's revenue as well. The impact should actually be bigger for Sony because of their bigger userbase.
That's not correct, because this is all revenue. "Loss" would have been the correct term if we were discussing profit.
Just repeated behaviour of low tier ‘concern’ trolling - you’re saying I’m on my period and over sensitive but you’ve just posted a big fanny wipe of a post because I think people should be banned for trolling?
It all depends on how they are using that revenue. Its not the only stream and could be used primarily for content (studio running costs + 3rd party deals) and marketing.
This time last year they had more third party which is now first party. It could have been both but first party this year will naturally be bigger due to it.
I didn’t even pay that much as I got cheap Gold it worked out at around $30 per year. And yes, that is how math works. What does that have to do with what I said? I’m not buying anything else on the service and with the number of games I’ll have paid for no added cost during those 3 years, they would have made a lot more money through individual purchases.
It's true.
Might have been a misunderstanding, when I said 4% drop in content and services for Sony would be a big deal, I meant a 4% drop on the FY (full year) ie. 12 month basis.
Yeah absolutely, I have no beef with any of that! My beef is with people who vehemently claim that most Gamepass subscribers are going to spend loads of extra money on DLC, MTX etc and will end up spending more overall. I don’t buy that bull… no way.
Just to highlight and you probably know it but the 4% drop for xbox service and content was a YoY comparison aka q4 2020 vs q4 2021
I think the point is that you’re more likely to buy more expansions if you haven’t already spent $60 on the game which many think is plenty enough. You get the base versions ”for free” so opening the wallet for a bit extra isn’t such a big deal.
I don't even know if that part about the expansions is true on a broad scale? I mean, if you buy the game yourself and enjoy it, you've paid 60 and you can put up another 20 or 30 for more time in the same game you already enjoyed. Alternatively, you have to buy another game now that you're done, so I think quite a few people will buy the DLC. On Gamepass, you choice is buy the DLC for a game you enjoyed, but got at no added cost, OR, you can go play another one of the many games you haven't played yet on Gamepass, for no extra cost.
I think you missed whole point...
Well then it is even better for Microsoft in terms of content spending
I have a slightly different opinion on this.
