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Mike Pence (Indiana Governor) signs Religous Freedom Bill into Law

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Kenai

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Fox318 said:
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This is pretty good.
 
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zer0blivion

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Indiana pizza shop refuses to cater gay weddings, instantly has internet presence destroyed
http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/ind...tly-has-internet-presence-destroyed-1.3018298

"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no," owner Crystal O'Connor told ABC 57 News on Tuesday.

"We are a Christian establishment," she said of the family business. "We're not discriminating against anyone, that's just our belief and anyone has the right to believe in anything."

The O'Connors didn't stop there.

"That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual," said Kevin O'Connor, Crystal's father.

The reaction on the web was quick and almost universally negative.

Before they made the newscast Tuesday night, the restaurant run by the O'Connors had two reviews on Yelp. By Wednesday afternoon, it had 1,400 and counting – almost 35 pages worth.
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But, others supported the owners for standing up for their rights and their religious views. About three pages of the more than 30 pages of reviews supported the stance taken by the O'Connors.

Not to mention the obvious question, do a lot of people serve pizza at their wedding?

The response on Google reviews was much the same.

Someone also registered the domain name http://memoriespizza.com, which the owners of the establishment had not done yet, and filled it with some graphic, and phallic, visual criticism.
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For those non-Indiana folks who might like to contribute in an inordinately fabulous way, consider donating to this fundraiser: https://www.crowdrise.com/eggs.

CrowdRise said:
Governor Pence of Indiana recently signed into law the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a law that makes it legal to discriminate against our LGBTQ family. In response to this ridiculous and highly discriminatory law, Planting Peace invites you to help us wish Governor Pence a happy Easter by sending him an Easter egg basket. For every donation we receive, we will put one pride Easter egg in it and have it delivered to Governor Pence by drag queens. Funds will go to support LGBTQ suicide prevention programs. Statistics show LGBTQ youth are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than their straight peers. This fundraiser is in memory of the young members of our LGBTQ community who have taken their lives because they were bullied and made to feel less than, in part because of laws like these that legalize and condone discrimination.
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Coincidentally, I found out about this from my devoutly Catholic friend, who happens to live in Indianapolis.
 
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Arkansas's governor is now calling for clarifying language to his state's bill:

Hutchinson calls for changes to HB1228

Gov. Asa Hutchinson on Wednesday asked that legislators amend House Bill 1228 to better reflect terms of the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Hutchinson said he is asking that HB1228 be recalled so amendments can be added that bring it closer to the federal law. Or, he said, the changes could be made by new legislation.

"The bill that is on my desk at the present time does not precisely mirror the federal law," he said.

Hutchinson — who noted a "generational gap" and acknowledged his own son had signed a petition seeking a veto of HB1228 — said "another option" would be to use an executive order "to make it clear that Arkansas wants to be a place of tolerance. He added later that such an order "would not be the same as a legislative fix."
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More on his son, Seth Hutchinson, here:

Arkansas Governor’s Son Thrust Into Spotlight Over ‘Religious Freedom’ Bill
 
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Sobriquet said:
Memories Pizza has raised over $20,000 in two hours on their gofundme. It was set up by The Blaze.



Seriously. The uncrusted sections are a major flaw in the pentagram pizza's design.
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Isn't this the second time some shit tier cause got lots of attention and promptly raised quite a bit of money? Forgot what the other situation was.

One thing bible thumpers like to do is throw away their money to weird causes like this and church donations and the such.
 
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The Internet has the power to ruin businesses; it might not even be fair, but if the words you say could be construed as a call to action, a call to action will be made. This is the invisible hand of the market, that conservatives supposedly love, in action. And sometimes it works the other way: I think Chik-Fil-A weathered their storm and ironically became more gay-friendly as well.

Conservatives are eventually going to end up with a huge defeat here, and in the other states where this is being tried. Wal-Mart isn't going to give Arkansas a pass when they opposed it in Indiana, not to mention all the other multi-billion-dollar institutions. This is fast-tracking federal recognition of gays as a protected class.

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Not going to lie, I kind of want to cut my pizza like that from now on.
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It looks pretty efficient. My daughter would love those crustless pieces, and the others are just double-wide slices you would be folding in half anyway.
 
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thefro

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NBC Nightly News said that pizza place closed for the day. I imagine their phone lines are probably unusable.
 
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Fox318

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People donated 20k?? Holy shit that's depressing
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A major site is promoting it.

If the Huffington post or the daily kos published a similar link ot would probably get double.


Although I'm not giving my money to a pizza place unless I get pizza.
 
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ivysaur12

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I guess some local baseball coach tweeted something about burning the pizzeria to the ground so there is outrage and they're funding off of that.

Sure, go ahead, guys. Raise money for a shitty pizza place.
 
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Twio said:
People donated 20k?? Holy shit that's depressing
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Welcome to America. Racist, sexist, homophobic beliefs are loved here. See: The LDS church. Mormons all across the country are probably ready to give this shithole all kinds of money.
 
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kess

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I just found out the Presbyterian church that I grew up with is leaving the PCUSA because they don't agree with their support of gay marriage. Lame.
 
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"“That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual. Why should I be beat over the head to go along with something they choose?” says Kevin O'Connor."

I really do wonder if some of these people are just bisexuals with severe empathy problems that cannot fathom that other people are not bisexual, and thus cannot simply "choose" to ignore their attraction to one sex and stick exclusively to the other. No amount of conscious effort is going to make me prefer women*, but apparently this O'Connor fellow can slip into a different sexuality as easily as he can slip into a pair of pajama pants.

*dont tell this to the "sexuality is fluid everyone is secretly bisexual" crowd
 
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CornBurrito said:
"“That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual. Why should I be beat over the head to go along with something they choose?” says Kevin O'Connor."

I really do wonder if some of these people are just bisexuals with severe empathy problems that cannot fathom that other people are not bisexual, and thus cannot simply "choose" to ignore their attraction to one sex and stick exclusively to the other. No amount of conscious effort is going to make me prefer women*, but apparently this O'Connor fellow can slip into a different sexuality as easily as he can slip into a pair of pajama pants.

*dont tell this to the "sexuality is fluid everyone is secretly bisexual" crowd
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I think that is a lot of it. If I was his wife I'd be checking his porn history.

One more reason bi erasure sucks.
 
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CornBurrito said:
"“That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual. Why should I be beat over the head to go along with something they choose?” says Kevin O'Connor."

I really do wonder if some of these people are just bisexuals with severe empathy problems that cannot fathom that other people are not bisexual, and thus cannot simply "choose" to ignore their attraction to one sex and stick exclusively to the other. No amount of conscious effort is going to make me prefer women*, but apparently this O'Connor fellow can slip into a different sexuality as easily as he can slip into a pair of pajama pants.

*dont tell this to the "sexuality is fluid everyone is secretly bisexual" crowd
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That's pretty close to what I always think whenever I hear one of those people claim they "chose to be heterosexual"
 
Guileless

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Gotchaye said:
But if you do want people to be able to refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, where do you draw the line?
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Like any other issue in a complex, multi-ethnic, multi-religious society, where all manner of interactions between people with different faiths and ideas about life interact, courts would decide. With a balancing test weighing the interests at play and attempting to resolve it in a way that respects all involved. As with many other problems that crop up as humans pursue their lives in communities with others.

For the several people who said that the previous context of this dispute does not matter at all because 'now it's 2015!' consider Conor Friedesdorf:

Were all those converts to gay-marriage bigots before their conversions? Did they deserve to be punished? Consider that Bill Clinton signed, and Hillary Clinton supported, federal laws that blatantly discriminated against gays. As noted, Hillary didn't announce her support for gay marriage until March 18, 2013. She has, of course, paid no penalty for her influential acts against gay equality. (Far from boycotting her, Governor Malloy of Connecticut endorsed her for president in 2008.)

That's how it works for elites. As a point of contrast, that small-time Oregon baker refused to bake that cake for a gay wedding on January 13, 2013—weeks before Hillary would endorse a gay couple's right to even have a wedding. The penalty Oregon recommends for that baker: $150,000. I think Christian bakers should happily bake for gay weddings (I've written that Christian photographers should happily photograph them). I don't think doing so is prohibited by their faith. It's arguably in keeping with it. I nevertheless see something unjust in that juxtaposition.

When speaking out on behalf of gay marriage could've make a significant difference, celebrities weren't willing to boycott populations on the wrong side of the issue.
In the thick of the fight, when speaking out on behalf of gay marriage could've make a significant difference in advancing equality, celebrities weren't willing to boycott populations on the wrong side of the issue, putting them crosswise of a majority of their fans and their wallets. Corporations weren't yet exercising their free speech rights as corporate persons to support gay equality while being cheered by progressives who showed no discomfort with such entities engaging in political speech.

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kerry, John Edwards, and many other Democratic political elites echoed majority opposition to equal recognition for same-sex relationships (though their Republican opponents were generally much worse).

Now that public opinion has thankfully shifted, marriage traditionalists have thankfully been routed, gay marriage in all 50 states is thankfully inevitable, and its opponents are a waning minority incapable of imposing any cost on political opponents, elites who support gay marriage are suddenly very self-righteous and assertive. Now that those who would discriminate against gays are a powerless cultural minority that focuses its objectionable behavior in a tiny niche of the economy, elites have suddenly decided that using state power to punish them is a moral imperative. The timing suggests that this has as much to do with opportunism, tribalism, humanity's love of bandwagons, and political positioning as it does with advancing gay rights, which have advanced thanks to persuasion, not coercion.
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Looks like they might have reached a compromise. It's good to see gender identity in there. It's just a shame that we haven't yet reached a point where sexual orientation and gender identity are protected classes. It will likely take a lot longer for the public to arrive at the same approval level of gender identity, as we're currently at for sexual orientation. Obviously, something needs to be signed yet, otherwise, it's just words on a page.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...l-sets-limited-protections-for-lgbt/70766920/
 
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Guileless said:
Like any other issue in a complex, multi-ethnic, multi-religious society, where all manner of interactions between people with different faiths and ideas about life interact, courts would decide. With a balancing test weighing the interests at play and attempting to resolve it in a way that respects all involved. As with many other problems that crop up as humans pursue their lives in communities with others.

For the several people who said that the previous context of this dispute does not matter at all because 'now it's 2015!' consider Conor Friedesdorf:
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This:
Now that those who would discriminate against gays are a powerless cultural minority that focuses its objectionable behavior in a tiny niche of the economy,
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Ain't even a little bit true.
 
Guileless

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Dead Man said:
This:

Ain't even a little bit true.
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Lets each create a list of people, corporations, and institutions for and against the Indiana RFFA, and the person who compiles the most impressive list of powerful and influential actors for the other side wins a $60 Amazon gift card. So you do the pro RFRA side, i do the anti. Judged by a third party member we both agree on.

You in?
 
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Guileless said:
Like any other issue in a complex, multi-ethnic, multi-religious society, where all manner of interactions between people with different faiths and ideas about life interact, courts would decide. With a balancing test weighing the interests at play and attempting to resolve it in a way that respects all involved. As with many other problems that crop up as humans pursue their lives in communities with others.
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The question was where you draw the line, not who will draw it. That's a dodge, not an answer.

For the several people who said that the previous context of this dispute does not matter at all because 'now it's 2015!' consider Conor Friedesdorf:
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Democrats are hypocrites, therefore it's ok to refuse to serve pizza to gay people or something.
 
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The question was where you draw the line, not who will draw it. That's a dodge, not an answer.
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I'm a lawyer, I don't think about these things like non-lawyers. I support a policy where the courts apply a balancing test to decide on a case-by-case basis, because I have no way to pretend to know the right answer in all religious freedom cases. Ive read a lot of examples of cases involving RFRAs since this began dominating the news, like Muslim prisoners asking to be able to grow beards against prison policy. Winning the outrage Olympics is not a way to make good policy. Neither is declaring a Year Zero and using state power and coercion to punish dissent.
 
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Dead Man

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Guileless said:
Lets each create a list of people, corporations, and institutions for and against the Indiana RFFA, and the person who compiles the most impressive list of powerful and influential actors for the other side wins a $60 Amazon gift card. So you do the pro RFRA side, i do the anti. Judged by a third party member we both agree on.

You in?
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How about we list how many kids have been beaten and bullied because they were straight?

Many of those who would discriminate against gays do it every fucking day.
 
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Guileless said:
I'm a lawyer, I don't think about these things like non-lawyers. I support a policy where the courts apply a balancing test to decide on a case-by-case basis, because I have no way to pretend to know the right answer in all religious freedom cases. Ive read a lot of examples of cases involving RFRAs since this began dominating the news, like Muslim prisoners asking to be able to grow beards against prison policy. Winning the outrage Olympics is not a way to make good policy. Neither is declaring a Year Zero and using state power and coercion to punish dissent.
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I'm a lawyer, and if a judge asked me what the standard should be I wouldn't say "that's for you to decide!" with some empty pablum about a diverse society.

That's a politician's cop out, not a lawyer's answer.

I also wouldn't characterize a refusal to do business with someone as "dissent" for fear of being laughed out of court.
 
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