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[Rolla]

Given how much discussion there has been recently about whether or not supporting legacy hardware is detrimental to next gen games and hardware. Also with Halo being a major factor for arguments both for and against, I figured this new development from Microsoft is very interesting to say the least.

 

[Rheon]

Big if true.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

That would be anti-consumer.

 

[Nikana]

Smart move if this game is supposed to be "the" halo game for the next 5 years.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

"Promises made, promises forgotten" is the Xbox brand motto at this point.

 

[Fake]

This can't be.

 

[CrashNBurn_281]

Well, would be a step in the right direction imo.

I get what they were trying to do, but the gap was just too large.

 

[Jon Neu]

And what are they gonna do?

Start the game over and build it for the Series X?

That would take years.

 

[FranXico]

That would be anti-consumer.

It would entail further delaying the game until 2022. At that point, they don't promise X1S support anymore.

 

[Demon2blades]

I don't know how a gaming company can be so confused in its messaging to people , there is a good few people that will like this if true.

 

[Nikana]

And what are they gonna do?

Start the game over and build it for the Series X?

That would take years.

Think it would be more just dropping the support and polish the series X. Since this is supposed to be a long term game it would take a lot of work off the table.

 

[Warnen]

If it pushes halo to late next year, not a big deal. Gives people a year to move over, hopefully pandemic shit under control by then.

 

[H-I-M]

So what exactly happened to all the PR bullshit crossgen 'we're for the people, don't believe in generations and care about all our users'?

 

[Verchod]

Well they did seem to imply that Infinite was more of a platform for future games. So unless they're going to support the one s for years to come, they should drop it. As long as they support the Series S, if it ever releases, then it'll be fine.

Bite the bullet, do it.

 

[Clear]

Unsurprising, to say the least.

 

[Northeastmonk]

That would make the last handful of Phil Spencer speeches about the “Xbox family” completely useless. I thought that’s what they cared about with this console. Bringing the whole family of consoles together. I guess those people get paid to look at the camera and smile.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I know Phil Spencer and his zealots have pushed it out of memory, but remember when everything was going to be solved by S C A L A B I L I T Y ?

 

[kraspkibble]

 

[Jon Neu]

Think it would be more just dropping the support and polish the series X. Since this is supposed to be a long term game it would take a lot of work off the table.

Then what's the difference then?

It's going to be the same game but just polished.

Either start from scratch or accept what it is.

 

[AllBizness]

"Promises made, promises forgotten" is the Xbox brand motto at this point.

Pathetic if they cancel the Xbox One version. It's as if Microsoft lets Digital Foundry and Reset Era run their Xbox division which is exactly why their in last place.

 

[Nikana]

Then what's the difference then?

It's going to be the same game but just polished.

Either start from scratch or accept what it is.

Polishing for 5 platforms vs 3.

 

[diffusionx]

So what exactly happened to all the PR bullshit crossgen 'we're for the people, don't believe in generations and care about all our users'?

Hit a giant wall labeled reality.

Then what's the difference then?

It's going to be the same game but just polished.

Either start from scratch or accept what it is.

We don't know the actual state of Halo Infinite, we just know a small demo. That small demo was polished up and still went over like a wet fart. So we don't know what shape the game is in or what they feel like they have to do to get it in shape (not that I trust 343 to know any of those things).

 

[McCheese]

Seems like a worst of both worlds scenario, they don't have enough time to re-tool the engine so it'll end up being a lacklustre next-gen exclusive, and piss off those suckers who picked up the One X based on that Halo E3 demo a few years back.

They just need to see this through, release it as an unashamed cross-gen title that looks dated but keeps their promises to their customers. Then throw 343i in the fucking trash and let Bungie handle a next-gen only Halo title.

 

[Warnen]

Concern trolls should be happy, they taking a page from Sony’s book. Maybe you will like them now lol

 

[Graciaus]

But what would that even mean? The game was basically done and going to ship the end of the year. They going to delay it a year or more and rework the entire game? The mismanagement of halo is sad.

 

[Drewpee]

That would be anti-consumer.

Before I saw the Halo Infinite gameplay trailer I would have agreed. That video completely changed my opinion. I am not a game designer and assumed they could take the PC approach where games will scale.

Apparently consoles are not capable or 343 was not skilled enough to pull it off. Either way it has changed how I feel about developing for old and new consoles simultaneously.

 

[DJTHEGREY]

It would be a bad business decision in my opinion... Only because they've been pushing the narrative of playing anywhere. If Halo is playable on the xcloud why wouldn't it be possible to play on the Xbox One? However... I will say they tried to do something similar with Titanfall and if I remember correctly it didn't go well.

 

[saintjules]

Was gonna make a thread on this, but wasn't sure about using screenshots from the other place. Good to know it's safe lol.

Two years based on the reveal reactions. Well, as long as they have the time to make it what the fans want, go for it.

 

[Clear]

Concern trolls should be happy, they taking a page from Sony’s book. Maybe you will like them now lol

No. The issue is consistency of messaging. Sony has been very consistent, MS not so much.

 

[Jon Neu]

We don't know the actual state of Halo Infinite, we just know a small demo. That small demo was polished up and still went over like a wet fart. So we don't know what shape the game is in or what they feel like they have to do to get it in shape (not that I trust 343 to know any of those things).

Then start from zero and make a next gen Halo instead of that Xbox One crap.

But that will take years. Like 2 years at best.

 

[Kenpachii]

Incredible dumb.

 

[RoboFu]

This has to be one of the worst ball drops for not only a major franchise but also a console launch That I can remember.

 

[Handy Fake]

Bloody good news for Xbox fans. Hopefully MS will pull their collective heads out of their arses when it comes to this.

 

[SegaShack]

Seems like a worst of both worlds scenario, they don't have enough time to re-tool the engine so it'll end up being a lacklustre next-gen exclusive, and piss off those suckers who picked up the One X based on that Halo E3 demo a few years back.

They just need to see this through, release it as an unashamed cross-gen title that looks dated but keeps their promises to their customers. Then throw 343i in the fucking trash and let Bungie handle a next-gen only Halo title.

Cut scene thing from a few years ago doesn't count as a demo IMO. I don't think anyone watches cutscene trailers and buys games based on them alone.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

For them to do this, the current state of the game on Xbox One must be really bad.

 

[Kdad]

I'm asking as a non Xbox owner....have they put out ANY game in this last year of the Xbox One that would be considered a grand send off? I'm used to PS always loading up in the last year of a console...what has Microsoft put out this year...though Halo was going to be their big send off? Like...they know when the next gen is coming...they didn't make any games that are 'keepers' for their current fans to keep them happy moving to new hardware?

 

[H-I-M]

Hit a giant wall labeled reality.

Let's be honest, the only reason why all of this is suddenly an issue and the game got delayed, is because of the backlash.
Halo's Twitter page and Phil were still hyping the game just a few days before the reveal, meaning that to them the game was good and polished enough to be released this year.

And if a viral meme was a 'reality check', after >5 years of development and a massive budget, then they have a bigger problem...

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I can sense hypocrisy when the same people who defended Halo Infinite for being a cross-gen showcase and that MS was being pro consumer are now going to sweep that shit under the rug and say Halo Infinite had to drop the Xbox One in order to get the best experience and the best experience wasn't possible unless it's built for Series X.

 

[The Hamburglar]

The shit show continues

 

[Warnen]

No. The issue is consistency of messaging. Sony has been very consistent, MS not so much.

If they need to drop a system for Halo to git gud I’m sure Xbox fans will understand.

Sony fans can take the W on this I guess, sucks that there will be a reason to upgrade now. Might not really be the win they wanted lol

 

[OnThePathToWisdom]

That would be anti-consumer.

The Halo Infinite gameplay we've been shown was anti-consumer. This is only good news.

 

[sircaw]

Ditch the old hardware shit and give halo fans something that can be truly proud of.

They should have done this from the beginning.

 

[Dr Kaneda]

Seems insanely stupid to have THE flagship game of your entire company be held back by a last gen console, and for the sake of what? People who wanted an Xbox One have already bought one, but a incredible Halo Infinite could be the difference between people choosing Xbox next gen or not. I'm sometimes baffled at how top level, multi-million dollar executives with years of experience could make poor decisions like this.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Cancelling the Xbox one version without essentially starting from scratch is basically pointless. You get an Xbox one game releasing on series x.

What they should be doing is working on a massive series x patch with a full set of ultra type textures, models, ray tracing, higher LOD, higher draw distance, etc.

Unless they want to make it a 2023 game, dropping the one makes no sense. Delaying it by even a year means 343 should be shut down.

 

[Greeno]

It seems to me that the next Xbox is not a must have for the first 2 years. But starting 2022, it will be the console to go to for RPGs and shooters if you don't have a capable PC.

 

[MrS]

Why did it take that Halo Infinite trailer last month for them to realise this? Makes no sense.

Stuff like this also shows that their proposed continued support for current gen is totally wrong, foolish and should be reversed. You have new tech, focus on it. Leave Xbox one and PS4 in the past. They are fucking dunzo in November.

 

[Insane Metal]

But SCALABILITY guys, what's wrong

 

[mcjmetroid]

I will say that they will probably drop the support but it's more to focus on the Xbox series X version. Halo Infinite needs to come sooner than later. Or at the very least they might outsource the base console version to another developer.

It is pro consumer to Include your games on every console, you cannot say it's not.

But is it realistic?

Well.. we just don't know yet. Halo was going to be the game that proved it is and it hasn't delivered on looking like a next gen console.

It's becoming more and more clear that the years of perfecting game studios and the years of experience is starting to hurt MS. It's not enough to throw money at something.

 

[supernova8]

I think we all know how this generation is going to pan out. Sony is going to win again, so maybe Microsoft should take the Miyamoto approach with - a late game can eventually be good but a bad game will be remembered as a bad game forever. I suppose issue is that Xbox doesn't really have that many memorable franchises left that can save them in the meantime. Forza and Fable both look to be way out. Hellblade didn't even have any gameplay to show... Gears of War hasn't had a mention at all unless it's being ninja-revealed soon.

What exactly do Xbox have coming even in the first 12 months in terms of heavy-hitting first party?

 

[Handy Fake]

If they need to drop a system for Halo to git gud I’m sure Xbox fans will understand.

Sony fans can take the W on this I guess, sucks that there will be a reason to upgrade now. Might not really be the win they wanted lol

Quite honestly, we take the piss a bit but I don't think there's a single poster on here - Sony or otherwise - who aren't glad about it. There may be a rivalry but it's the same with football clubs; you mock and rant but you never want to see your nemesis go to the wall.