Won't that port be locked to 30 fps as well since it's based on the PS2/PS3 version?
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Modder 'fix' Tales of Zestiria on PC, it's now running at 60fps
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Won't that port be locked to 30 fps as well since it's based on the PS2/PS3 version?
What thread are you posting in right now?
In any case where something could be fixed in a mod without source access, it is a fair assumption that fixing it with access to the code base would be significantly simpler.
Generally, I do think official porting efforts should be given a few more resources to go beyond the bare minimum.
That's not really true. Even if we assume that the physics and collision detection could not be fixed and would need to be rebuilt (which is, IMHO, a huge stretch), replacing that component completely would still be just one component and not the entire system.
Generally, I do think official porting efforts should be given a few more resources to go beyond the bare minimum.
While we're discussing this, I think on the other end of the spectrum, Gungho and Grandia II's Steam port are worthy of bringing up and worthy of commendation.
That port launched with some issues, many of which were patched, and 60fps battles restored (original PC port had this, Dreamcast version which the new port is based on didn't) and Gungho's reps were extremely forthcoming and transparent on Steam and on NeoGAF (OT, etc) in setting expectations on what to expect, what not to expect, and when some things were completely out of their reach in terms of resources. Sure, there's some issues leftover, but I honestly feel that while the original DC version is superior in some aspects (cutscene sync, some leftover audio issues), the current Steam version is really the best version available right now by a good margin, even counting souped-up DC emulation.
Of course, that kind of candidness simply isn't going to fit many other companies' profiles/culture, and probably not at all justifiable for recent games because of its higher visibility/scrutiny, but I still found it extremely refreshing, especially considering how unexpected the port was in the first place.
edit: And yes, I do remember that Bamco did touch on the framerate in an official capacity prior to launch.
nikos
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As someone who is currently playing this game, seeing it running at 60 FPS looks weird. That being said, I would certainly welcome a 60 FPS update but don't have a problem with it running at 30.
The reason for the game not running at 60 FPS originally, according to Bamco, is because it would cause issues with the battle system. Has anyone found any truth to that?
The reason for the game not running at 60 FPS originally, according to Bamco, is because it would cause issues with the battle system. Has anyone found any truth to that?
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Aa I see. Thank you for the correction.
I do have a pretty low standard for PC ports (as long as it doesn't run worse than the console version and doesn't crash constantly, I'm content), so I guess I'm pretty under-qualified to discuss about the virtues of a good port.
I found that the battle system is a hell of a lot more enjoyable for me. Hell just moving through the menus is more enjoyable for me. The game just looks fantastic now. No more janky 15 FPS animations from enemies more than 15 feet aways or 15 frame animations when there are too many enemies during combat. I can't go back to the old version of the game.
I'm so impressed by the job done on this mod. Sometimes I wish I would win the lottery so I could make my own porting company and hire some of these "doing it for fun" people. I'd hook these ladies and gents up with some hefty bonuses for every game. I'd have to have someone competent running the technical side of things, because I wouldn't know what the hell was going on.
In my opinion, the Zestiria port was well above average. It offers way more than what it's console counterparts have. If they included this mod as part of the game it would be up there with some of the greats.
rebooting made it work for me
R10Neymarfan
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What are the odds Bamco would use the code to create a patch for PS4/PC?
I'll try that, though I'd hate for it to work since it makes not the least bit of sense.
Close to zero.
They certainly haven't used Durante's code for creating an official patch for Dark Souls, heck, other than that FROM employee posting memory addresses for 60fps unlock, his work never got any official recognition (AFAIK)
Surely you must remember Deadly Premonition...
Zero.
Implementation of a patch that affects gameplay on a base level across the whole game requires review of the whole code and QA. It's why the creation of big patches for big games is usually sequestered into the development process.
If they weren't going to take the time to fix it while still developing the port, they're definitely not going to take the time and resources to do it after development wrapped up.
I agree but this port was definitely 'beyond the bare minimum'.
If Bamco wanted to be cheap about it, they could have just paid the porting company to do the bare min aka a straight port. No better textures, no graphical options, etc. Just make it run at a higher resolution and put it onto the PC/PS4 with nothing else done.
They would get shit on for it of course but they could have done the 'bare minimum' if they wanted to.
All in all, Bamco gotten better since their first PC ports and I assume/hope that once the Japanese team that works on Tales see the sales of the PC version, that they will keep it in mind when developing future titles.
At the very least, they are keeping the PS4 in mind for the next title so 60fps will hopefully be a part of the package.
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It causes the animations to look weird/fast/janky and would not be suitable for anything official.
That was a joke. I just said that it was amusing that it came from a Japanese IP, but there's no proof at all that it was a From employee.
I do, but just because things do happen doesn't mean that they make sense or should happen
Maintenance
Member
I bought the game during pre-order for the Symphonia port, I waited for the 60fps mods.
Dictator93
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DP's pc port always seemed like some sort of meta commentary on the game itself. As if david lynch coded it.I do, but just because things do happen doesn't mean that they make sense or should happen
rofl
So yeah, rebooting fixed the issue. I'll look through the code to check and see if I can identify why this would be the case.
Battles at 60 FPS are GLORIOUS. Wow. One of the largest visual upgrades going from 30 to 60 I've ever seen. I think the clean style does it.
Battles at 60 FPS are GLORIOUS. Wow. One of the largest visual upgrades going from 30 to 60 I've ever seen. I think the clean style does it.
Heh.
Denuvo IIRC.
The patch broke the game for me during the first visit to Lastonbell. You can't proceed or do any actions until the priest enters a building, but he gets stuck on the stairs up to the door. I tried pushing him around but sadly this isn't Skyrim. Had to temporarily disable the patch
It seems to be a port of the feature I added to GeDoSaTo. If so, 4 is the value I used to most closely match the character shadow detail to the environmental shadows at their highest setting.
Okay, thanks for responding, and thanks for the new feature!
Edit: I changed it to two. Thanks!
Edit 2: Changed it to -4.
Actually, -4
From readme:
4 = 16x (2048x2048 for Sorrey), (1024x1024 Everyone Else)
-4 = 16x (2048x2048 for EVERYONE)
-2 then, unless you want more blocky shadows for non-Sorey characters
My game wouldn't even start when I first implementated the mod. Restarting my system fixed it for some reason. Not at all a big deal after seeing this game run like silk. It even runs at 60 at 1440p. I going to pus it to 4K later.
That is one issue I'm having. Every time I change resolution the game crashes, but it restarts at the selected resolution. Not a big deal. ***This is while using GeDoSaTo.***
That is one issue I'm having. Every time I change resolution the game crashes, but it restarts at the selected resolution. Not a big deal. ***This is while using GeDoSaTo.***
Linearskillz
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This is the issue with trying to do a 60fps fix. There are probably numerous progression-blocking situation like this that will crop up because of it. That one bounding box that worked fine with a 33ms time step now intersects at 16ms and gets stuck, so what do you do? Re-script the sequence? How many more of these issues will you find? Do you have the manpower and time to fix them all? It's a risk that needs to be weighed.
I believe that proper variable fps should be a standard, but back-fixing everything can be quite difficult depending on what assumptions were made and where. Develop things right the first time
Then I'd got with -2. From my testing I think 2048² is too much (you end up with character shadows which are sharper than the environment shadows, which defeats the point in the other direction).
Truly words to live byDevelop things right the first time
Jawbreaker
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I'd like to know if this breaks anything in the game before trying it out.
Look above for one instance.
Tizoc
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DrDaxxy's code to switch to 60 fps is very simple:
https://github.com/Kaldaien/TZF/commit/f32b6913a078b18eb0bc1bc4eb6e1b2daaa47a15
Zestiria's issue appears to be very bad framepacing which is only exacerbated at 60 fps. This is what Kaldaien is trying to fix with TZFix since the beginning, and DrDaxxy stated that 60 fps would be worthless without it. The switch to 60 fps already showed more issues with TZFix that are being resolved (e.g. asyncing audio in skits). As I wrote earlier Kaldaien already tagged a pre-release of 1.0.1 which "Isolate
It's interesting that the work on TZFix already touched issues that needed to be resolved for 60 fps before the latter was introduced. Catching two birds with one stone.
Too true. Kaldaien is repeatedly singing that song in his thread. ^^
Nil.
Though I do think they take note of such mods (and their popularity) for future endeavors. So even if it's not officially improving the finished product anymore, it's sending the correct message for future releases.
Btw, everyone who is coming across 60 fps related bugs, DrDaxxy is apparently trying to join here and asking for saved data so he can reproduce them:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/351970/discussions/0/490123938441506815/?fp=2#c496881136920109789
DrDaxxy said:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/351970/discussions/0/490123938441506815/?fp=2#c496881136920109789
MilkyOctave
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This gives me hope for Symphonia being 60 FPS in some way. Perhaps people who weren't going to buy this game because of 30 FPS, will now reconsider. Seems like the definitive version of the game.
Tried the game again today and got lots of slowdown here and there. My laptop's definitely good enough to handle it, but I lowered the resolution and other settings just in case and it still persisted. Guess I'll try again after another reboot since that did the trick the first time. Really hope I figure a way around this since it's going to be tough to go back.
Robobandit
Member
Runs great @ 60.. though combined with the reshade set I was using, the game runs @ 30.. not sure if it's just the extra shaders and the load they place on the gpu or if there is something in the dll chain taking the 60 fps unlock out of the loop.
Leaning towards the latter..
Leaning towards the latter..
Only problem is that subtitles during prerendered cutscenes like the one at the very beginning of the game are way out of sync. They lag way behind the audio and video. The screen actually goes black after the video ends while the subtitles catch up. Not a dealbreaker by any means, but it would be nice if it gets fixed. Would be absolutely perfect then.