Death Penalty
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Doesn't this seem a bit melodramatic? By his own words the inclusion isn't going to be a large one, and the development milestone they revealed alongside this news is a hugely positive revelation.
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Moogles to be included in FFXV (although a light inclusion only)
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Doesn't this seem a bit melodramatic? By his own words the inclusion isn't going to be a large one, and the development milestone they revealed alongside this news is a hugely positive revelation.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
I don't really care too much about whether or not they're included, assuming there won't be any trade-offs to include them like Tabata suggests.
I sort of think this might be threadworthy.
Game is in beta.
I sort of think this might be threadworthy.
Make moogles the social network of that universe. Either as a name for their service or literally them running around giving messages.
threelights
Member
I mean.... They already got the Dissidia writer lol.
(Dissidia is one of the rare places where Moogles are cool >.>)
AgentLampshade
Member
As long as they're not eating development time, or appearing as a random NPC in Lucis or something, I'm cool with it.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Personally I'm finding that I'm gradually separating myself from 'the fans' of FF.
In truth I've probably been doing it for a long time, but the XIII trilogy, the FFXV production, and the announcement of FFVII:Re has made me more embarrassed at so many in this fanbase than any other period. That's saying a hell of a lot- especially if you were around when the original FFVII released and had to deal with the vocal chorus of "they've ruined FF with FMV" bullshit that was being yelled from the rooftops by co-called old school members of 'the fanbase'.
So to hell with 'the fans' and what they may or may not want. It's the fans that will "stay losing" by being short-sighted, petty assholes. I like to hope most of the rest of us just want fun games and positive experiences.
If these games come out and they are objectively shitty- yeah, absolutely raise hell. Otherwise, I wish people would just fucking relax a little.
That "mess" FFX also had a light inclusion of moogles.
SolidSnakex
Member
You kinda expect it to be black because of the visual theme of the main cast and the logo. But i'm hoping that they go in another direction with it.
I, too, don't really associate with most of the "fanbase"'s opinions anymore. I loved the XIII trilogy and am super hyped for FF7R whatever it brings as I trust Nomura/kitase/etc.
I wouldn't go as far as say "to hell with the fans" though. With 30 years of very diverse history, fans are all over the place and S-E can't please everyone.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion -- be it positive or negative.
Which is exactly why I feel the FFXV team should stop asking feedback at every turn and just go with their vision and make the best game they can do. It's what made the series so great this far.
I hope this is all a front from the community team to keep fans satisfied. Judging by some of the answers Tabata gave during the streams, it feels like he IS stubborn enough to keep most of his vision intact -- or at least, I hope so.
S-E just needs to release mainline titles a bit faster, alternating between medieval turn-based games, MMO expansions, innovative sci-fi games, etc. It's what they used to do up to FFXI. People were most of the time satisfied. And if they weren't, the next, very different FF wasn't too far off. I loved the XIII trilogy but I'll admit it did hurt the fanbase for this reason.
Fantastic post, and full of truth.
Personally I can't wait to play this game. I've been waiting for it for almost 10 years now, and it's been my most anticipated game eve since I first laid eyes on that reveal trailer back in 2006. I'm super eager to get this. I want to see and play the end result by myself. I have no idea how I will behave once I get out of the game store with this in my hands.
His reason for not having Moogles felt more like an excuse to have not have to deal with them. I don't see Moogles making or breaking the game world vision if they're not depicted like in Type-O or XIII-2, especially when we have bizarre looking creatures like Naga and Numb Blade already walking around.
Be my guest, it's bigger news than moogles imo.
Go_Ly_Dow
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AgentLampshade
Member
Sorry, coffee has been cut and replaced with warm water.
Yessss, HD moombas please!
TheGreatLugia
Banned
Be my guest, it's bigger news than moogles imo.
I have to head out so someone else can make it if they want.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Considering how much shit is dictated by feedback in business, that's kinda reality(whether we like it or not). At least when it comes to making money, it is.
But, Versus originally planned to have Moogles. At least Nomura said he planned to include them, though he said they were going to look like the Type-0(and to a lesser extent, KH) design. Knowing how many people whine about the clashing art direction between the modern realistic style and the fantastical aspects of the monsters in FFXV, would people get on Nomura(Based god that could do no wrong, whose epic masterpiece of Versus was stifled and drastically altered into a lesser game) for that, or would they give him a pass simply because, he's NOMURA?
FFXIII's ruined EVERYTHING.
FFXIV, I can't comment on. I'll take your word for it. But then again, I'm a firm supporter of mute(or at least "talk-less") moogles that only make animal-like "Kupo" sounds. I've said it before, if they communicate, it should be telepathically(and only to a "special" few, like Noctis and Luna).
The Last One
Member
Game is in beta.
So they have a pre-beta of the game now? That's great! Can't wait for March and the game's release date.
Astral Dog
Member
Its just that Moogles are almost exctinct in this world, they are a rare delicacy, wich the royalty of the empire líkes so much
KeyChainDude
Member
I was expecting a topic with a tweet of "Cool Moogle added to FFXV"
Astral Dog
Member
But FFXV is not that game, is it? you've even said that FF Versus XIII is dead and that this is a completely new game by Tabata, everything from the reveal trailer and all subsequent trailers up to 2011 is gone anyway (except from some of the characters), so in reality you have only waited 2 or 3 years for this new game.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
OK if there's only going to be one Moogle, then I want Square-Enix to make him really memorable and think outside the box like they did with Chocolina.
Like, I want this Moogle to be a chain-smoking, bandana and leather wearing ruffian with gang tattoos and sunglasses. Plus his catchphrase needs to be "KUPO, BITCH"
I guarantee FF XV will to GTA V numbers this way.
Like, I want this Moogle to be a chain-smoking, bandana and leather wearing ruffian with gang tattoos and sunglasses. Plus his catchphrase needs to be "KUPO, BITCH"
I guarantee FF XV will to GTA V numbers this way.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
I want my gruff-voiced Mog that probably has an addiction to whisky and cigars, like this one.
I can see a hard-boiled Moogle, living in a lonely apartment. Private Investigator by day, hard drinkin' womanizer by night.
And yet here you are.
Yuuuuuuup
Game design by committee, and your committee knows nothing about game development, nor is reflective at all of a vast majority of your consumer population, nor has any ideas beyond DO IT LIKE LAST TIME.
seriously FFVersus13 "a completely new Final Fantasy no one is expecting, trust us on this one"
to FFXV "Please tell us how to improve every little gnats ass detail" hurts like none other.
FFVersus13 will always be my most anticipated title ever.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
birthbysleep
Member
Like you, many of us were greatly anticipating that game for years and years. The problem is that game from 2006 doesn't exist anymore, and many fans have become bitter and disillusioned because of it.
Really? Because as far as we know, it's mostly the same.
I fell in love with the idea of Noctis, the prince of a fallen kingdom with a stolen crystal, making a roadtrip with his bros to recover it and to defeat the empire who attacked them.
So... Pretty much the same idea. I'm completely ok with it.
They are bitter over a game that was terribly mismanaged and wasn't even made. It is frankly quite ridiculous.
I am quite frankly glad that tabata is in charge now. We'll at least get a game next year.
NoctisVsStar
Member
People need to learn to let it go, life ain't fair move on and expect the best... Well that's my attitude for everything instead of the doom and gloom.
Astral Dog
Member
No you have to be gloomy about it Nomura is gone, Versus XIII is gone, Stella, the face of the entire game is no more instead replaced by a generic useless damsel in distress!
Both sides have good points but its best to try moving on
NoctisVsStar
Member
Noctis still with us... Shining lights even in death.
NHarmonic.
Member
You're missing the part where Luminous crashes and delays the game.
semiconscious
Gold Member
...MagnaderAlpha
Member
Yup. Noctis is still the prince of Lucis. His friends are still Prompto, Ignis and Gladiolus. Noctis still wields swords that, when given a certain situation, can float around and shit. Noctis can still use his sword to teleport. There's still a place called Tenebrae. Niflheim is still the "evil empire" that look like old school knights wielding guns and high tech weaponry.
Think this is one of the things that didn't make the linguistic jump all that well. Japanese is a very phonetic language, with a lot of vocabulary being literal sounds.
This feeds into the speech mannerisms (pretty much a cliche) for anthromorphic characters, which is where you get all the "nyan" in cat or cat-people speech for example.
"Kupo" sounds a lot less awkward in Japanese just because of that. In English, it's about as awkward as a character with cat ears that constantly says "meow".
Also, the game is still mostly about friendship and bonding, and about the relationship between father and son. The world is still open, just like Nomura said Versus would be. The party uses a car to move around and travel the world, just like Versus was supposed to be. There's also a Dragoon girl just like in Versus. Noctis' eyes change color according to certain circumstances just like Versus.
Yes, this game is still pretty much that game I've been waiting for since 2006.
blackdynamite702
Banned
It would be awesome if they used em for a side quest.