SouthernDragon
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Moon (Directed By David Bowie's Son + Starring Sam Rockwell)
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Dreams-Visions
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damn straight. fantastic movie for such a small budget. seriously, $5 mill is nothing. I loved how it felt very "throw back".McBacon said:
TrAcEr_x90
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I really wish I could find somewhere to buy the poster, but nobody is sellin them on ebay??? not original posters anyways.
After watching the extras on the CGI I was a little put off that it had that many CG shots, something like 250. But most of it made sense and didn't detract from the feel so no worries. just seemed weird that the movie is touted for its throw-back style yet contained alot of post stuff.
Houston3000
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I saw this movie last week... so depressing 
It was good though, a lot to think about.
It was good though, a lot to think about.
timetokill
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Weird, I thought they looked gorgeous.
atomicgamer
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Fantastic movie, and in my opinion, Clint Mansell is a world-class composer that really added a ton of weight and drama with the score.
'Course, Bear McCreary's better...
'Course, Bear McCreary's better...
Sorry for the bump, I finally got to watch this a few days ago and just wanted to say it was an awesome film. I was only told by many that it's an awesome movie, I did not watch any trailers, previews, interviews, whatever so everything was a surprise.
However, 97 minutes may or may not have been too long to make it feel more suspenseful. For example,
Other minor nitpicks:
I usually watch a movie and somehow hope that it's a dark sad movie, but it wasn't really as dark as I'd expected. Great film though.
However, 97 minutes may or may not have been too long to make it feel more suspenseful. For example,
when Sam started hallucinating and crashed his rover, I wished that they played the hallucination angle a bit longer..."why is there another Sam in here? Why?" The clone reveal felt a bit too soon.
Other minor nitpicks:
If they were clones #406 and 407, that would have probably gave me a stronger impact on how truly alone they were in the moon. "How many centuries was I here? My wife, my daughter are already dead?" That would have been what I expected, although it would have been a much darker tone.
I was not sure if the real Sam was dead until I read imdb's FAQ. The video phone call with the daughter calling out her dad made me assume the wife remarried after the real Sam got divorced or died. When in fact, it was the real Sam. I guess that would really make it even a sadder story.
I usually watch a movie and somehow hope that it's a dark sad movie, but it wasn't really as dark as I'd expected. Great film though.
dskillzhtown
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joelseph said:
When you start to think, that is when things fall apart.
I didn't really feel much for clones/artificial humans being created, and destroyed on the moon when the pay off was energy for the planet. I mean, I probably would have liked it more if instead of clones, it would have been a prison detail and prisoners worked there and were killed after a time period. But instead of thinking they were about to get killed, they thought they were going to be set free. But I didn't feel sad for clones/artificial humans. They aren't real people. So it is supposed to be a big deal that artificial life forms are being killed?
Moz La Punk
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dskillzhtown said:
Of course this is a huge debate but I do think
clones can be real people. They feel exactly like real people and their body is the same as well, right? They're cloned so they're made from flesh and blood. It's not like they're robots.
It makes the movie so good. I mean, you say clones arent really human beings, but what if YOU found out now that you were a clone? It could happen ya know.
It makes the movie so good. I mean, you say clones arent really human beings, but what if YOU found out now that you were a clone? It could happen ya know.
Troidal said:
If those two Sams were in fact clones #406 and #407, Sam wouldn't have had the phone call to his daughter, because she would be long dead. Showing her in an age where she is still a kid that needs a father has a bigger impact because he sees what he is being robbed of. Showing her as a grownup, old elderly woman or seeing she is dead would, in my opinion, give a lesser punch to the stomach.
The part about the clones discovery wasn't the big emphasis of the movie. The emphasis was to question whether a clone is a machine or a human. He thinks he is the original and works hard to provide for his family while in fact the original him signed a deal for his clones to work while he piles the cash. It's quite interesting to see that Sam Prime enslaved himself, probably because he didn't think much of his clones. You can see that when the clone is awakened he has anger issues and doesn't like himself, so it makes a lot of sense that the original Sam didn't care much for the clones.
Delaying the clone discovery would simply delay the purpose of the film. The first part is to show you how Sam turns out and his goals, the second part is how Sam was in the beginning and the last part is to show what Sam did to himself\clones because of how he was before the moon station contract. The first part serves as one side of the coin, the second the other and the last part is basically how the coin was tossed. Showing more of one side would simply change the impact of the film into something else that the director didn't intend to show. As time passes and you think about the film you will remember it very fondly. As you finish the film you might feel robbed of a different experience, but time will heal that as you think about the movie more.
The part about the clones discovery wasn't the big emphasis of the movie. The emphasis was to question whether a clone is a machine or a human. He thinks he is the original and works hard to provide for his family while in fact the original him signed a deal for his clones to work while he piles the cash. It's quite interesting to see that Sam Prime enslaved himself, probably because he didn't think much of his clones. You can see that when the clone is awakened he has anger issues and doesn't like himself, so it makes a lot of sense that the original Sam didn't care much for the clones.
Delaying the clone discovery would simply delay the purpose of the film. The first part is to show you how Sam turns out and his goals, the second part is how Sam was in the beginning and the last part is to show what Sam did to himself\clones because of how he was before the moon station contract. The first part serves as one side of the coin, the second the other and the last part is basically how the coin was tossed. Showing more of one side would simply change the impact of the film into something else that the director didn't intend to show. As time passes and you think about the film you will remember it very fondly. As you finish the film you might feel robbed of a different experience, but time will heal that as you think about the movie more.
dskillzhtown said:
Well, that's kind of the point.
The whole question of whether they are real people or not, etc. Sam Prime is you; thinking 'well they aren't real what should it matter' when he signs the deal. And yet, it's pretty clear these things aren't mindless machines with no emotion, ambition, hopes, etc. So for most people when these aspects are discovered they see them in a different light.
This is all in the context of the film, of course.
This is all in the context of the film, of course.
Sorry, but you're talking out of your ass. I wouldn't have double-checked this sentence for any other movie but Moon in particular was running on a really tight budget; just see the Making Of alongside Duncan Jones' commentary and you'll know about all the obstacles they faced and how they created some "impossible-to-do-with-this-budget"-scenes by hardwork, dedication and talent. There is that one scene in the commentary where Duncan says that he thought that the scene was really good but not good enough, however he couldn't do it the way he invisioned it in his mind because of the budget.swoon said:
I don't really care much about people disagreeing with me about whether a movie or a game is good or bad because that's subjective; but come on. Stop writing uninformed stupid shit like this. You're on NeoGAF where people have a freaking Wikipedia inside their heads.
Neuromancer
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:lolEchoes said:
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dskillzhtown said:
The clones have a conscience, but from what I understand (and I haven't seen the movie since its release so my memory is hazy) , but the clones weren't perfect and displayed a somewhat robotic personality. It was the more robotic clone that was sent back to earth, correct?
Neuromancer
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As far as the movie was concerned I thought
the clones were mirror images of Sam. Differences in their personalities arose from their different circumstances.
Question: did the clones die after a few years because of radiation, were they 'programmed' that way ala Blade Runner, or was it just limitations of the cloning technology? I can't remember.
Question: did the clones die after a few years because of radiation, were they 'programmed' that way ala Blade Runner, or was it just limitations of the cloning technology? I can't remember.
Neuromancer said:
The movie leaves this open-ended. I assumed it was just limits of the cloning tech. It didn't cross my mind that the 3 year limit could have been intentional by the company. But that makes sense too.
Unlikely to have been natural radiation exposure though, since the original Sam makes it back just fine.
Unlikely to have been natural radiation exposure though, since the original Sam makes it back just fine.
Neuromancer
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Why do you say that?DeadTrees said:
Yeah that's a good point actuallyGDJustin said:
I actually sympathized with the clones because they are actual people with flesh, blood, rational thinking, and everything. My eyes watered in a couple of scenes because the whole situation is fucked up to say the least.
with flesh, blood, rational thinking, and everything. My eyes watered in a couple of scenes because the whole situation is fucked up to say the least.I really enjoyed the movie. A lot! 2001 A Space Odyssey is my favorite film of all time, so I was excited when I watched Moon. I didn't know anything about it, except for the fact that he's on Moon alone. Didn't watch the trailer, luckily. Not everyone will hold it up as high as I am, but I consider it one of my favorite films in the last decade. It just clicked with me.
I just saw this movie two days ago and was pleasantly surprised. I also didn't see any trailers or anything. It was good to go into the movie not knowing too much.
GDJustin said:
My first thought was that it was intentional, but the tech limitations makes more sense. I mean three years is a pretty short time to just be throwing away expensive clones. Also, what makes you think the original Sam made it back okay? I know we heard his voice on the phone, but was it ever implied that he went up to the moon in the first place? It could be that he was the one to be chosen for cloning and they just sent up all the clones and GERTY.
_Isaac said:
I dunno. Again, it's all just assumptions. It didn't cross my mind that the original Sam DIDN'T go up. They'd have to send a "real" person up for the first cycle, it seems like. To make sure everything works correctly, the processes are all good to go, etc. Just to minimize anything unforeseen.
Neuromancer said:
Why would EvilCorp repeatedly allow the one and only human supervising their mining operation--an operation that pretty much powers the entire planet--to hang around beyond his genetic expiration date when they have hundreds and hundreds of clones ready to go at a moment's notice?
SpeedingUptoStop
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Just saw the film and I really enjoyed it. Posed a lot of existential questions I wasn't exactly expecting.
Other than that, I really enjoyed it. It's a film that gives you a lot of good stuff to think about.
I knew the clone twist, but I didn't realize how they'd play it. Having one clone be 3 years older than the other was something I loved. Seeing yourself, 3 years older/younger, the development you'd had, seeing yourself the way you were...I loved these questions.
I'm honestly kind of surprised there's so much debate in here whether to care about the clones. To me, each of them is the same person, just as different stages of development. The concept of laying yourself to rest, even though you're 3 years older, yet none of this involves time travel...it's mindbending to think about.
The few things I didn't quite like about the film is how it didn't immediately jump into the two of them questioning what was going on. Seemed to just kind of let the situation linger before they decided to act on each other (the fight they had). That seemed weird. Then, it seemed pretty obvious to me that each Sam decays over the course of the 3 years, yet neither of them really talked about it. This Sam was clearly timed to die, yet the other Sam keeps saying "what's wrong man, you alright?" and while it was noble (and spoke a lot of his character, making him incredibly likable) that S2 volunteered Sam1 to go back home, it still kind of didn't make logical sense given his decaying condition.
It was refreshing to see a non-evil robot in a scifi movie for once, even though there were a few instances where his withholding of info didn't make the most sense to me.
I'm honestly kind of surprised there's so much debate in here whether to care about the clones. To me, each of them is the same person, just as different stages of development. The concept of laying yourself to rest, even though you're 3 years older, yet none of this involves time travel...it's mindbending to think about.
The few things I didn't quite like about the film is how it didn't immediately jump into the two of them questioning what was going on. Seemed to just kind of let the situation linger before they decided to act on each other (the fight they had). That seemed weird. Then, it seemed pretty obvious to me that each Sam decays over the course of the 3 years, yet neither of them really talked about it. This Sam was clearly timed to die, yet the other Sam keeps saying "what's wrong man, you alright?" and while it was noble (and spoke a lot of his character, making him incredibly likable) that S2 volunteered Sam1 to go back home, it still kind of didn't make logical sense given his decaying condition.
It was refreshing to see a non-evil robot in a scifi movie for once, even though there were a few instances where his withholding of info didn't make the most sense to me.
JoshuaJSlone
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Just saw this movie. I'm glad that despite this thread hanging around GAF for well over a year I stayed pretty spoiler-free. Reviews and vague information (serious low-budget sci-fi on the moon) seemed decent enough I just waited for a good price. Blu-ray is under $15 at Amazon now, so I jumped.
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Seriously. It's not like the birth canal is where they hand out souls or something.
SpeedingUptoStop said:
This too. I'd be much more "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?" than "Hey, you're using my slippers."
Just saw this movie with no information beforehand whatsoever and I absolutely loved it. Great acting too.
And to the people who couldn't care about the clones: WTF? They're just as human as any of us, unless you believe in a soul or some shit which is really more your problem than that of the movie itself.
DarkJediKnight
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A very Meh movie. Started out with promise, but blew its load too quickly. Had some good moments and amazing music, but the movie gets less interesting with the runtime.
I just recently saw this movie, and was very disappointed. What was a promising premise about living solitary in a foreign, yet familiar, place quickly turned into a movie about
. It sets itself up for possible hallucinations and mindfucks, but once it reveals the twist about
, it becomes too vanilla. Sam Rockwell also kept on reminding me of his role in Iron Man 2, which broke his character partly for me. Also, I think it's the only sci-fi movie to have a non-sinister AI. It's sort of weird how the movie foreshadows malevolent actions done by AI, but Gerty then plays a minor role even though the end.
Overall though, I thought it was decent. Disappointing, but decent.
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Overall though, I thought it was decent. Disappointing, but decent.
I have to admit, as much as I loved and raved about this movie after I first saw it in the theaters, I saw it again a second time almost a year later with my dad and was somewhat underwhelmed. Also seemed a lot shorter the second time around for some reason. Weird. Still a nice movie and sometimes beautiful to look at.
Squirrel Killer
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I don't want it to be a cult classic. I'm fine with it being an excellent film that hardly anyone's seen.Korey said:
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