Nymphae
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That is all actually true, look that shit up.
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Moon landing conspiracy and Flat Earth conspiracy theories go here and nowhere else
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That is all actually true, look that shit up.
ManaByte
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I’ve stood under a Saturn V rocket that still exists. I don’t have to look that shit up.
Nymphae
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The specific claims you quoted, are true, he said nothing about the Saturn V. I'll find you the video of the NASA dude stating that we can't get back to the moon because "we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to get it back", Them losing the original videos and telemetry data has also been known for some time, they admitted this themselves.
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Weilthain
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im trying my best to remain coherent. Not the best at writing and others are way better at getting their points across.
You don’t have to engage me if you don’t want to.
when I talk about the scientific method I mean a lot of what the heliocentric model is based on is sizes and distances, gravity etc claims of things that just aren’t scientificly proven.
I accept I don’t get these points across well! That’s why I try to make it fun!
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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well
Since then, Richard Nafzger, an engineer at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who oversaw television processing at the ground-tracking sites during the Apollo 11 mission, has been looking for them.
The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed — magnetically erased — and re-used to save money.
Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits
The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago wer...www.reuters.com
Weilthain
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come on don’t be a plonker all of your life! No one is claiming that!
ManaByte
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The Apollo 11 mission was one of the most documented events in human history. NASA has endless archives from it. They just made a documentary in theaters using 4K footage from the original 60MM film reels recorded during the mission.
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Nymphae
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None of the telemetry data exists, as per NASA.
From the reuters article sent to you above:
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Weilthain
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The Brooklyn Brawler
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You're my new favourite thing
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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As I said someone recently found they had footage of the original landing.
edit: Unless the 4k documentary was recent, it seems like they likely used broadcast footage, footage that was taken with a camera off of a projection screen, and was likely restored and not true 4k. But with the recently found footage true 4k should be possible.A former intern at NASA may become a millionaire when he sells three metal reels that contain original videotape recordings of man’s first steps on the moon.
The videotapes will be offered in a live auction on July 20th at Sotheby’s New York, but interested parties are able to place bids now at Sothebys.com. The sale coincides with the 50th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission. The price could reach $2 million.
'Lost' tapes of first moonwalk to be sold; former NASA intern may make millions
A former intern may become a millionaire after auctioning original tapes that capture moments from the Apollo 11 mission thought to be lost by NASA.www.usatoday.com
yeah but flying something for the first time with no issue, when all tests failed, is interesting.
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Weilthain
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We might know each other in real life it’s exciting!
The Brooklyn Brawler
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I could be beside you RIGHT NOW
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Where are you from actually cause theres a guy on my train right now wearing a tinfoil hat and smearing sh*te all over himself
Weilthain
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The Brooklyn Brawler
I would be a hibs or hearts fan if I cared about football. I’m guessing you are west coast near or in Glasgow area.we should do a laser experiment
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The Brooklyn Brawler
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I've literally just arrived back in Glasgow from Edinburgh
Bladed Thesis
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Let's be honest. You can't ask for photos or film if you see them and then just say "It looks fake".
You either want pictures/film as proof or you don't. Obviously you don't since there are pictures and film from space and you can readily access them.
So just be honest about what you want. You don't want photos/film from space because you know those exist. You want "real" photos/film from space but your definition of "real" is very special and even you don't know what the definition is. You just know its not the "fake" images available.
Weilthain
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This is getting weird
Weilthain
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They haven’t filmed the earth from deep space since 1972 and there are still no other videos of the earth from deep space to compare them to.
You aren’t thinking this through
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Watch your back. I'm onto you
The Brooklyn Brawler
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The government are paying me in buckfast to track down folk like you
zeomax
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Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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I think there are two recent videos. One is from tesla's car launch, the other is the timelapse from epic
I think there may be another from another satellite or spacecraft recently.
edit found it:
himawari
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Cybrwzrd
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They almost cratered though. And they nearly crashed 10 during the trial run.
Dumb luck and Armstrong's piloting skills barely kept them from becoming a permanent fixture on the Lunar surface.
Weilthain
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This only strengthens my point
zeomax
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What point?
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Maybe you have a point. If the earth is round HOW COME EVERYONES STUFF HASNT FALLEN OFF?
Weilthain
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There aren’t videos of the earth in deep space.
car on moon live stream in 1972 and that is the best you have.
it’s hilarious.
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I watched all of that documentary after you linked it yesterday. It's well worth watching and the photographers section was great.
zeomax
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What? I just showed you a video from 1 million miles.
Or is it not deep enough? Ok here a picture taken by the Mars Orbiter.
Weilthain
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That isn’t what I’m asking for and you know itWhat? I just showed you a video from 1 million miles.
Or is it not deep enough? Ok here a picture taken by the Mars Orbiter.
zeomax
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I am out. You can't beat stupidity! Have a nice day on your flat earth.
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Nymphae
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I'm still not clear on why there are no pictures from outer space, aimed at the earth, that display the brilliance of the billions of points of lights we are able to see from the ground. The Apollo 11 astronauts, in their incredibly strange toned press conference after returning from the moon, all said they couldn't see any stars in space. How the fuck is that possible?
Weilthain
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This is what these types do. They pretend it all makes sense why they were driving cars on the moon then destroyed all the technology and actual proof of it happening.
they try to make it seem dumb to question why there are no videos etc
Weilthain
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When I have brought that up in the past, I just get called names and eventually just get “why do you even want/need to see that? Cameras are expensive to put into orbit etc”
Prison Mike
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Nymphae
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I don't think I've ever heard an explanation for that. Google tells us this
Ok but show me one goddamn picture where the exposure was set so that you could see them, it should be an absolutely mindblowing photo.
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Thurible
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Ok, lets say that the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked so all the evidence we have on it is false. This would be a world wide conspiracy with multiple international actors who would have to consistently get along, they would also have to somehow silence every pilot, astronomer, and mathematician, and this would require some incredible benefit for all this effort. Why and how would international governments do this?
Weilthain
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All the astronauts have conflicting accounts seeing/not seeing stars as well.
Armstrong said he “couldn’t recall” (lawyer speak) seeing stars from the surface of the moon and that you aren’t able to see stars in “cislunar space” (space between earth and moon)
micheal Collins chimes in with “I don’t recall seeing any, Armstrong’s reaction to this statement is interesting.
later on in life Micheal Collins writes a book describing the amazing stars he saw.
don petit and others all describe the majesty of the stars when they are in space.
WHO DO I BELIEVE?!
Grinchy
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And we come back to me pointing out that there does not exist any piece of evidence that can convince
Weilthain
or any flat-earth believer.
It's completely pointless to engage outside of the entertainment it provides.
This is the 2-step cycle you will see playing out over and over again in this thread and in every single case where you are dealing with a debate between a flat earther and a human:
1. Show me evidence that proves I'm wrong
2. That evidence is faked
Weilthain
or any flat-earth believer. It's completely pointless to engage outside of the entertainment it provides.
This is the 2-step cycle you will see playing out over and over again in this thread and in every single case where you are dealing with a debate between a flat earther and a human:
1. Show me evidence that proves I'm wrong
2. That evidence is faked
Weilthain
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I don’t accept that. Many pilots are flat earthers for example. Flying a plane doesn’t prove the world is a sphere.
Many satellites are literally suspended from high altitude balloons. The people who make those satellites aren’t in on it.
ancient civilisations studied the stars and were able to predict eclipses and all that stuff without believing they lived on a space ball.
iconmaster
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I'm partial to Dante's cosmology (which I assume largely reflected the cosmology of the High Middle Ages). Note that his Earth is round.
From innermost to outermost, the spheres are:
Also, this Flat Earth map is gorgeous:
Alternate cosmological theories are interesting to me in that, for most of us, they have zero impact on our daily lives. For the average person there's no harm in having an incorrect view, whichever model is the most correct. Theories about the origin of the universe fall into this category as well.
From innermost to outermost, the spheres are:
- First Sphere, Moon
- Second Sphere, Mercury
- Third Sphere, Venus
- Fourth Sphere, the Sun
- Fifth Sphere, Mars
- Sixth Sphere, Jupiter
- Seventh Sphere, Saturn
- Eighth Sphere, the Fixed Stars
- Ninth Sphere, the Primum Mobile
Also, this Flat Earth map is gorgeous:
Alternate cosmological theories are interesting to me in that, for most of us, they have zero impact on our daily lives. For the average person there's no harm in having an incorrect view, whichever model is the most correct. Theories about the origin of the universe fall into this category as well.
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Weilthain
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And we come back to me pointing out that there does not exist any piece of evidence that can convince
It's completely pointless to engage outside of the entertainment it provides.
This is the 2-step cycle you will see playing out over and over again in this thread and in every single case where you are dealing with a debate between a flat earther and a human:
1. Show me evidence that proves I'm wrong
2. That evidence is faked
Grinchy
Join in. We are all having fun hopefully no one gets banned for “arguing in bad faith” or “not answering questions” with the correct debate etiquette or synthesised summaries.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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I do find it funny that so many people ridiculing flat earth believers find no problem believing in gods and angels
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Some stuff wot I said
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Rentahamster
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The effect is very small as a percentage, but over a body as large as the Earth, it adds up. However, for a body as small as a human, it doesn't feel like much at all. If you weigh yourself at the equator where the effect of the spin is the greatest, you will weigh about 0.3% more than you would at the north or south pole, where the effect of the spin is negated. 0.3% is not enough for human perception.
To think of it another way, the Earth rotates 360 degrees every 24 hours. That's 15 degrees per hour. Is that fast? Consider the hour hand of a clock. It rotates at 360 degrees every 12 hours, or 30 degrees per hour. Imagine you are an ant on the hour hand of a clock. Would you feel it rotating? Would you feel it rotating if it were going even slower than that at half the speed?
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