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Moore, Satchell savage 'talentless' Sony at CES
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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Nostromo said:Hey..fiat 500 is the best mass-produced car ever, even Miyaza
Regarding wars..as roman empire we won so many of them that it's about time to concede some victories to other empires now(j/k)
Marco
How's that public Heavenly Sword demo coming along, Marco? *wink*
Ignatz Mouse
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DenogginizerOS said:
We weren't comparing any PSN numbers, so I'm not sure what you are asking... but I do assume Sony will do thge same thing counting PSN users, yes.
Pristine_Condition
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acousticvan said:
Oh they do, you are correct. I was just pointing out that he's familiar with that game, so you probably were telling him things he already knew.
dirtmonkey37
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acousticvan said:
I'm not trying to defend anyone per se, but instead trying to convey the point that PR is PR.
There is no, "I think you got it wrong. Sony said their hardware is the most powerful not the 360 is shit. But MS said Sony lacks talent people that's insulting, man."
Translation: "OMG when Sony PR speaks, they speak the words of Jesus. They are so polite and kind, taking into consideration all the different cultures of the world when they speak. They are like angels in how they manage to just speak the truth. They never insult. MS does so willingly"
What you don't seem to understand is this is highly common. MS is no better than Sony, Sony is no better than MS. Nintendo is no better than...yes, you get the point.
You make it seem like only one side does these things, whereas the reality is, from every side, angle, and perspective, something similar emerges.
EDIT: Which is why I brought up the "shipment" issue in my first post: All this "I ship from here, you ship from there, he ships from over there" is a bunch of bull****. However, many people take it to heart and slowly abide by the "but nooooo, Nintendo really ships from here..........
Pristine_Condition
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Nostromo said:Hey..fiat 500 is the best mass-produced car ever, even Miyaza
Regarding wars..as roman empire we won so many of them that it's about time to concede some victories to other empires now
Marco
Mojovonio said:
What he said.
You finally show up here, and all you want to talk about is Italian motorcars?
Nah, you can't get away that easy, man. Dish us a scoop. C'mon. We're dying here in "Waiting for Heavenly Sword Land."
Ignatz Mouse
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Pristine_Condition said:
Actually, I didn;t know about all that-- just that you could send messages. My GripShift time has been spent very, very focused. "Must shave .2 seconds off my time to get 1st!"
No time for socializing when I get that obessed.
Pristine_Condition
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Ignatz Mouse said:Actually, I didn;t know about all that-- just that you could send messages. My GripShift time has been spent very, very focused. Must shave .2 seconds off my time to get 1st!
Leader Board-whore.
...and I only say that, because, of course, I am so not even close to those times...and I am such a worthless, bitter, bitter man. And slow. Very, very slow.
:lol Barry Lightning
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of the 140 million or so people that bought ps2/xbox/gc last gen, how many were online?
m'k?
like 2% or something.
by the time the casual gamer is ready for online games (this gen) sony will have their shit together.
but thats not to say i suspect ms will have the much better experience/ but who is moore kidding about all this, "it's all about the services" talk in regards to sony's shipped numbers? just last quarter moore was all, "10 million units! 10 million units!" now he's all, "ooo, consumer...services...blahblahblah."
m'k?
like 2% or something.
by the time the casual gamer is ready for online games (this gen) sony will have their shit together.
but thats not to say i suspect ms will have the much better experience/ but who is moore kidding about all this, "it's all about the services" talk in regards to sony's shipped numbers? just last quarter moore was all, "10 million units! 10 million units!" now he's all, "ooo, consumer...services...blahblahblah."
Kung Fu Jedi
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Mojovonio said:
At this point, there really isn't any need to. PSN has to put a lot more heat on MS than it is right now for them to make it free. I'd love to see Live free of course, but Sony does have to do more than they currently are in my opinion.
dammitmattt
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Barry Lightning said:
The casual gamer IS ready for online, Sony let us know that this gen began, and Sony STILL does not have their shit together right now. I don't understand your post.
DCharlie said:
No, not really. This is how I thought things were too.
Having said this though, I think the controversy lies because the X360 hardware seems to be extremely close to the PS3 in what it can do, and Sony hasn't stepped it up on the software services side. So MS closed the gap on one end and Sony hasn't on the other.
meltpotato
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while the comments are arrogant and i hate to see all the mudslinging, it's also a very accurate observation.
Sony's corporate culture is ****ed. It's been dragging them down for years and they are pretty notorious for it. It has been manifesting itself in do-everything concepts with mediocre results for years.
Sony's corporate culture is ****ed. It's been dragging them down for years and they are pretty notorious for it. It has been manifesting itself in do-everything concepts with mediocre results for years.
Kung Fu Jedi
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arne said:
There is nothing to fight there. It's the most accurate statement in this thread! :lol
acousticvan
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dirtmonkey37 said:
What I compared was the statements from yesterday against today's.
Sony was much softer than MS today.
They were being a nicer guy yesterday and MS is a total jack***.
Sony's culture may have changed, who knows!!!
SatelliteOfLove
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*yawn* When they start throwing haymakers onstage during a presentation, then I'll care.
acousticvan
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The MS' culture is quite evil if you look at its history.
The mentality is "there is only one guy and it is me". MS uses its leverage to destroy everybody on its path, from the operating system, media players to internet browser... and now to video games.
If they won this race then there will be "no competition" and innovation is dead just like internet explorer.
The mentality is "there is only one guy and it is me". MS uses its leverage to destroy everybody on its path, from the operating system, media players to internet browser... and now to video games.
If they won this race then there will be "no competition" and innovation is dead just like internet explorer.
PepsimanVsJoe
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acousticvan said:
Damn it's doom and gloom no matter where you look. I'm just going to quit gaming now. Can't believe in Sony cause they are "teh doomed omgz" and not Microsoft cause they'll kill innovation dead can't believe in Nintendo either cause you know...teh....kiddies?
Oh well shoot. The MS "culture"? Craziness. :lol
Mercury Fred
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sonycowboy said:
You've got to be kidding me. "I'm not sure that they necessarily have the talent" suddenly becomes "talentless." Why don't we just all communicate in grunts with absolute meaning from now on? Obviously nuance and degrees of meaning are no longer expressable within the English language.
plagiarize
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while sony may not be 'evil' when they have a monopoly, they certainly lose sight of their competition and stagnate in many ways. when sony have competition, they make amazing stuff... but after being in the lead for a while, less so.acousticvan said:
i'm talking about the walkman, i'm talking about what happened to their TV department. in each case competition made them pull their fingers out and do something worthwhile.
in sony's pr in 06, i saw a lot of arrogance. 'they'll buy it at any price with no games because it says 'sony on it'' and similar comments. i'm not saying the ps3 is poor hardware, it isn't... i'm just saying that we know where sony which direction sony will likely go if they don't have much fiercer competition THIS go round. so far in 07, we've had a few nice bits of PR from Harrison (who i've always rated highest of their spokes people) and this rather nasty one from microsoft.
i've always said PR that attacks your opponents is bad pr, and that's what this is. hopefully sony keep on playing nice, and microsoft go back to focussing more on themselves than their competitors.
however, when microsoft have competition they make some great products (though it usually takes them two or more at bats to get it right).
meltpotato
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acousticvan said:
why on earth do you think BD is in the PS3? :lol
welcome to "business"
-ImaginaryInsider
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Borys said:
With either console, you're still taking a good-sized hit in the wallet.
It really boils down on how you want it, all at once ala the PS3, or optionally over the course of four years ala the 360?
Some may feel that $50 a year with the option of taking breaks - while still being able to download/buy content - sounds more reasonable. Some may want to eat that $600 dollars now, and get it out of the way...which is equally reasonable.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Spike said:
Thats kind of the point Moore was trying to make. MS is a software company and has years to practice at this shit. You don't really learn it over night, and MS is a perfect example of that too, since they certainly had their fair share of shitty software over the years.
$50 a year thats $4.20 a month for a service that is unmatched. You can send and receieve a text/voice message IN-GAME and send game invite to ANYBODY from ANY game, also if their just watching a movie, or listening to music. $4.20 for these features alone plus online multi-player more than justifies the price.
Let's just wait and see what Sony adds in the Spring 2007 PS3 update and then we will talk about online services.
Let's just wait and see what Sony adds in the Spring 2007 PS3 update and then we will talk about online services.
All I know is my experience with Xbox Live sucked balls lastnight. I'm talking laggy ****in shit where all the characters on GoW looked like they were teleporting around instead of running. And then everyone started getting these "your connection is too weak right now" messages. We could still voice chat and shit but everyone was getting them!
WTF M$!?!?!?
WTF M$!?!?!?
Kung Fu Jedi said:
XP is the first OS from them that has been satisfactory to me. Everything previous was pretty crappy. ME sucked, 98 sucked, 95 sucked, WFW 3.11 sucked, DOS sucked.... you get the idea. It's taken MS many many years to get things right (and they still haven't gotten security right yet though).
I'll give MS credit where credit is due. They've ****ed up shit tons over the years, but the 360 and Live are winners in my book.
Tony HoTT said:
XBL isn't running the game servers. Those are being hosted on the client boxes (i.e. whoever setup the match). Blame them for your problems, not XBL.
If XBL was hosting the servers then I would say - blame MS.
Barry Lightning
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mmlemay said:
then re-read it, i dropped numbers. if the casual gamer was/is ready for online, he/she sure as hell didnt show it last gen.
we're like 10+ years into broadband penetration in major cities, and even still not every single person has it. and while the games industry as a whole doesnt need every single person online and with broadband to make a nice chunk of change, it supports the fact that the CASUAL GAMER is not on top of the whole online gaming thing.