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More Hellgate subscriber details. What the huh?
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Johnkers said:
The problem is, Guild Wars offers almost the exact same thing but instead of paying $10/mo, you can opt to buy an expansion pack for a 1 time fee and get all that new land/quests/classes/skills/items forever. That's like paying $40-50 per year for more new content than Hellgate: London's $120/year appears to offer. It just looks like a bad deal against it's more direct comparison.
Teknopathetic
Member
"The way I see it is they're more along the lines of an expansion pack then the monthly fees seen in a game like WoW. The extra character classes just enforces that."
120$ a year worth of expansion packs? And if you stop paying you no longer have access to any of it?
Look, I'm not one to defend Guild Bores (see what I did there), but their pricing model is *right*.
120$ a year worth of expansion packs? And if you stop paying you no longer have access to any of it?
Look, I'm not one to defend Guild Bores (see what I did there), but their pricing model is *right*.
Propagandhim
Banned
They ought to just offer the non-subscription game as a free download - kinda like a free demo. That's what the free-to-play version essentially is-- a demo. At this point, only a sucker is going to pay for such a gimped game.
WhatRuOn said:
The Starcraft/Warcraft3/Diablo2 servers are all still up and running, for free, with a small banner in the chat lobby that usually just advertises other Blizzard games anyways. There is no reason Diablo3 or Starcraft2 needs to be different. Besides, WoW has already made more money than any video game has ever made. By the end of it, WoW will have resulted in billions in PROFIT. They can afford to keep a few cheap servers alive for Diablo3 without feeling it. In fact, the money they will make in profit from Diablo3 could probably cover the cost of servers for hundreds of years. The only reason WoW has a pay structure is the server costs are significantly higher than a game like Starcraft or Diablo would require if they had hundreds of millions of players.
Alex
Member
WoW has a gigantic live team.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html
These are the WoW 2.3 patchnotes.
I sincerely doubt Hellgate will be doing a fragment of that. I was really interested in it before all of this stupidity came to light.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html
These are the WoW 2.3 patchnotes.
I sincerely doubt Hellgate will be doing a fragment of that. I was really interested in it before all of this stupidity came to light.
Isn't that basically what happens to every character in most MMOs? It's not like I can play any of my WoW characters right now. Nor would I be able to create a new one.Teknopathetic said:
EDIT: Actually, I hear some MMOs delete your characters if you don't keep paying for it. But as I haven't actually played anything like that personally, I don't really know.
wayward archer
Member
Just play it non-subscription for a while, then put it away. Let it amass some new content, then subscribe for a month or two and experience the game all over again.
Learn to get away from the 'I have to stay subscribed all the time' mindset, take some breaks from this fucking game and subscribe when there's enough new content for it to be worth it to you to shell out an extra $10.
That's how you whiners should be approaching this.
Learn to get away from the 'I have to stay subscribed all the time' mindset, take some breaks from this fucking game and subscribe when there's enough new content for it to be worth it to you to shell out an extra $10.
That's how you whiners should be approaching this.
WhatRuOn said:
Who said anything about it needing it? It's the economics of it all. Why even make a game that doesn't have a monthly fee when your current game that does have a monthly fee makes money hand over fist? Even if StarCraft 2 sells 3 times the amount of copies that World of Warcraft has, World of Warcraft still comes out on top.
It's the Xbox Live model.
If you don't believe me, well, ask a developer. Or IGN, or 1UP, or GameSpot, directly ask Blizzard in an interview if there's going to be an online fee. I think you will be surprised by their answer.
I think Hellgate raped some people's moms in this thread. The hate for the subscription fiasco is understandable, but the game is not near as bad or broken as some make it sound. You really can not base the whole game on the short demo or beta with a level 22 cap. That would be like saying WoW sucks because it is too easy from levels 1-15. In WoW the difficulty is there, you just do not hit it until a much later level. Also, much like Blizzard games, it is very newb friendly in the beginning. Me and a couple of buddies played it and had a good time. I am not completely sold on it yet...but I definitely like the game. I like the combat a lot more than the slow ass combat in WoW.
The thing that will make or break this game for me is:
Will the fighting evolve to very strategic at later levels? Will you have to have a tank to hold aggro and specific classes for their functionality to win a fight. It is not needed in the early levels, but I would assume the game is made for this to occur later on.
I really like that the game scales depending on your party size + better lewt drops in groups. I did the whole WoW raiding thing for about 2 years, and I do not have time for that sort of thing now days. Only needing 5 friends to tackle ongoing content would be much easier.
The thing that will make or break this game for me is:
Will the fighting evolve to very strategic at later levels? Will you have to have a tank to hold aggro and specific classes for their functionality to win a fight. It is not needed in the early levels, but I would assume the game is made for this to occur later on.
I really like that the game scales depending on your party size + better lewt drops in groups. I did the whole WoW raiding thing for about 2 years, and I do not have time for that sort of thing now days. Only needing 5 friends to tackle ongoing content would be much easier.
I was initially hyped for this game, but now these subscription shenanigans have completely made me loathe Hellgate London.
There is absolutely no way I can justify $120 annually for what should have been a simple annual expansion pack, costing just $30-50.
It seems to me that they are forcing the subscription model artificially after seeing WoW's success.
There is absolutely no way I can justify $120 annually for what should have been a simple annual expansion pack, costing just $30-50.
It seems to me that they are forcing the subscription model artificially after seeing WoW's success.
You know what my guess is? If there wasn't an option to not subscribe and still play the game than you guys wouldn't be complaining. Honestly, is 10 dollars per month a good deal of cash? As long as the final product is good and the flow of new content is as true as they claim, why does it matter?
For those of you who are interested in this game, I think you should suck it up, pay the money, and gawk over all the cheap bastards who decided not to pay.
For those of you who are interested in this game, I think you should suck it up, pay the money, and gawk over all the cheap bastards who decided not to pay.
Joseph Merrick
Member
I already bought this game, guys (pre-order with all money down). Heartattack anyone?
TemplaerDude
Member
Johnkers said:
and if you don't pay them, you get a shitty half-game.
that doesn't seem like a problem? you pay the full entrance fee for a game only to find out that you have to pay on top of that till eternity just to play the real game?
that HONESTLY doesn't seem like an issue?
But it's not. It's garbage. I'm shocked anyone could play the beta and be willing to pay for it. It's ugly, clunky, and not fun. I wouldn't buy the game for two dollars, and before actually playing it I was really looking forward to it, considering the setting and the array of classes. Only to find the setting is window dressing, and none of the classes work nearly as well as the genres they seek to emulate.Quagm1r3 said:
Though if you want to pay up, go right ahead. It's your money.
RaySpencer
Member
Wow, Crazy amount of hate in this thread....
I really like this game, tried out the demo, not expecting much and had a really good time in it. I never really played the Diablo series ( i mean ive played it, but not for very long, wasnt a PC gamer back then ) so most of my experiances with this type of game are PSO. The graphics are awesome, the levels so far are fun to be in (remind me of HL2 street areas....but more broken
), the gameplay for the Hunter was a lot of fun, not sure about the Blade guy yet, gonna try to get the game to work with my 360 controller and see if i like it then.
i dunno, i plan on buying it now, the art style is awesome, and i had a lot of fun playing the short demo 4 times over, i cant wait to play further with some friends. i dont see the big deal for the pay structure either, i used to pay for PSO which is exactly like Guild Wars but even less to do. plus unless one of the classes REALLY peaks my interest, i will probably just stay playing for free anyway, but can allways switch over if i want to try something out.
I really like this game, tried out the demo, not expecting much and had a really good time in it. I never really played the Diablo series ( i mean ive played it, but not for very long, wasnt a PC gamer back then ) so most of my experiances with this type of game are PSO. The graphics are awesome, the levels so far are fun to be in (remind me of HL2 street areas....but more broken
), the gameplay for the Hunter was a lot of fun, not sure about the Blade guy yet, gonna try to get the game to work with my 360 controller and see if i like it then. i dunno, i plan on buying it now, the art style is awesome, and i had a lot of fun playing the short demo 4 times over, i cant wait to play further with some friends. i dont see the big deal for the pay structure either, i used to pay for PSO which is exactly like Guild Wars but even less to do. plus unless one of the classes REALLY peaks my interest, i will probably just stay playing for free anyway, but can allways switch over if i want to try something out.
TemplaerDude
Member
Johnkers said:
it's kind of hard to look at your game in any other way while you're carrying some cardboard sword and some guy whose spent a useless 40 dollars extra on his copy runs around with the demon slaying death monkey machine +35677770000.
you kind of feel ripped off.
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
I'm too tired to read.
So you pay 50$ for the game...
how much extra do you have to pay to keep playing without being gimped?
So you pay 50$ for the game...
how much extra do you have to pay to keep playing without being gimped?
TemplaerDude
Member
bcn-ron said:
reality is tough cookies.
I'm sitting here listening to the interview on 1UP Yours about it. His claim is that it you'll get different stuff, visually unique and maybe functionally unique, but not 'better'. Maybe you can only get The Cool-looking Sword of +9 vs Bats if you're a subscriber, but The Axe of +9 vs Ogres is available to everyone? That's basically what I took it as meaning.TemplaerDude said:
TemplaerDude
Member
Slavik81 said:
which only puts paying 10 dollars more a month for a shinier looking sword into the light.
no matter how much they try to justify it, it is stupid.
Open Source
Banned
Phantasy Star Online/Universe is not a real MMO either, and it doesn't get nearly this much grief for charging a monthly fee for anyone who plays online, without giving subscribers anything extra beyond the ability to play.
Joseph Merrick
Member
Just read through this feature, http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=649
Very nice. I'm definitely down for the monthly charge.
Very nice. I'm definitely down for the monthly charge.
Zzoram said:
Hellgate is a complete multi-player online experience even without a subscription. Why would they not charge a monthly fee if they are going to be constantly developing and delivering new content to subscribers? I remember Diablo players wanting this type of thing. (constant updates with new content) Do you see any games where developers are working full time to provide content for free? Adding maps to FPS's is about all I ever see for free, and they do not require entire teams to make. Console only players rarely even get maps without paying. New monsters, areas, quests, weapons, armor, pvp, classes, spells, instances...I mean it is similar to getting pieces of an expansion every month. I am happy to get parts of it along the way instead of having to wait for an entire expansion to be ready.
If you enjoy the game, then the subscription would be really worthwhile. How is it a rip off if you are only paying $10 a month for constant content in a game you know you like instead of buying $40-60 games to replace it with? When I was into WoW, it was the only game I played for about a year and a half. I payed full price for the game ($50) and $15 a month to just be able to play. I also bought the expansion and I do not feel I was ripped off. I thought it was a value for all those months I paid $15 because I did not buy any other games during that time.
I dont see why they dont just delay the extra content for those who don't pay. Say a 2 month gap between those who pay and those who don't in regards to content availability.
Those who pay are going to be hardcore player's, wanting the best whenever its available. Those who don't pay are just the casual guys playing an hr a night and a few more on the weekends, enjoying the game with mates and so on.
Not keeping the content you paid for after you stop paying for it is the most retarded fucking thing known to me, and hopefully all of humanity. That's like walking into EB and buying a game for $50, putting it into your console, then when you take it out of the machine EB comes along and takes it back and tells you that you have to pay $15 for it back. It's dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Those who pay are going to be hardcore player's, wanting the best whenever its available. Those who don't pay are just the casual guys playing an hr a night and a few more on the weekends, enjoying the game with mates and so on.
Not keeping the content you paid for after you stop paying for it is the most retarded fucking thing known to me, and hopefully all of humanity. That's like walking into EB and buying a game for $50, putting it into your console, then when you take it out of the machine EB comes along and takes it back and tells you that you have to pay $15 for it back. It's dumb dumb dumb dumb.
At the end of the day, this just comes down to a group of very vocal ninnies who don't want to pay for shit.
Fine. Don't pay for it.
We don't care. And you don't get cake. Go spend that GIANT SAVINGS OF $10 somewhere where people will care.
That is one of the most poorly structured analogies I've ever seen.
No, it's not like that. Not at all.
If you stop paying for WoW, you don't get to keep playing WoW. If you stop paying for EQ2, you don't get to keep playing EQ2. If you stop paying for Hellgate, you lose hardcore mode, and on-going MMO Style updates to the game. You're not paying $10 a month to own the content. You're paying $10 a month for ACCESS to it. Just like every_other_premium_mmog.
Fine. Don't pay for it.
We don't care. And you don't get cake. Go spend that GIANT SAVINGS OF $10 somewhere where people will care.
That is one of the most poorly structured analogies I've ever seen.
No, it's not like that. Not at all.
If you stop paying for WoW, you don't get to keep playing WoW. If you stop paying for EQ2, you don't get to keep playing EQ2. If you stop paying for Hellgate, you lose hardcore mode, and on-going MMO Style updates to the game. You're not paying $10 a month to own the content. You're paying $10 a month for ACCESS to it. Just like every_other_premium_mmog.
TemplaerDude
Member
schild said:
no. at the end of the day it's about value. and at the end of the day, spending an extra 10 dollars every month on top of the original value of the game has yet to be justified on either side of the equation. this game is poorly planned and poorly developed and a massive failure.
schild said:
Haha i will agree with that. Too tired to think straight.
The problem is your not paying for a service just like you are with WoW or any other MMO. You're paying for extra content and a service in hellgate, which seems to cause some sort of issues with people.
Causes no problems for me. I've enough money to support Roper. I'm getting a lifetime sub. Diablo launched just as badly, if not worse, and so did Diablo 2. The Blizzard North folks always get their shit in order and given the massive progression made with patch zero and what's in patch 1, I've no problem paying for a lifetime sub. I know I would've paid $150 for Diablo 2 at launch.
If NeoGAF existed when Diablo 2 came out... wait, hell, if the gaming public was like it is now when Diablo 2 came out or Diablo 2 was just on it's way out now, we'd be hearing the same complaint. And I'd still be sitting here with a buck fifty just for lifetime access.
If NeoGAF existed when Diablo 2 came out... wait, hell, if the gaming public was like it is now when Diablo 2 came out or Diablo 2 was just on it's way out now, we'd be hearing the same complaint. And I'd still be sitting here with a buck fifty just for lifetime access.
evlcookie said:
That is not how it works. You still have the equipment...you just can not equip it. If you re-subscribe at another time you can equip it. At least you can still play the game online with your friends. If you do not pay for WoW you can not play anything at all, much less equip a Halloween themed helm.
How can you expect a developer producing that much content to just release it for free? That is ridiculous to expect them to go bankrupt providing content for free.
hafdogg said:
I know how it works. I listened to roper on both gfw and 1up yours, the guy totally kicks ass. Not too sure if i can say the same about his game though.
The problem is no one knows how this is going to work, since it seems to be a rather new thing for an "MMO" to do. But alot of the "extra" feature's you are getting seem like they should come standard to begin with. It's a mixed bag and it will be very very interesting to see how it all turns out.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
this is why i dont like subscription crap
just give me everything for one price.
just give me everything for one price.