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[geordiemp]

In my 20 years of gaming there are certain weapons that have stood out to me as way over powered but I've always had a tough time picking out the most over powered of them all.

Well thanks to Destiny the title of the Most overpowered weapon of all time goes to The Thorn: It kills with two shots no matter how high your defense is and even the first shot it'll leave a poison effect on you dealing even more damage. I've never come anything across it before.

That's my opinion, what's yours?

No it is not, you are wrong. It does not kill in 2 shots unless both headshots.

Guns that kill in 2 headshots = TLW (hipfire), Hawkmoon, Thorn. Basically ALL the exotic primary hand cannons.

Guns that kill in 2 burst = red death, Messenger , Three little words

Fastest primary gun to kill = Hawkmoon 40 % of the time.

Fastest primary gun to kill without 2 headshots = Either TLW or Hawkmoon

So out of the exotic primary handguns, Thorn is the slowest time to kill. Each is equal in my opinion and suit different engagement distances.

TLW = best up close
Thorn - Best Medium Range
Hawkmoon = best beyond medium range

And yes, Exotic hand cannons and exotic primaries should be better, as they are exotic and you have to choose 1 in your load out.

Best primary guns for getting head shots - VEX and Jewel of Osiris (AA).

if you keep getting killed by Thorns in medium range and get 2 head shotted, then learn to strafe or engage at the distance to suite you weapon.

Thorn is popular in Trials of Osiris with reviving team mates 3 vs 3 as it slows the health regen making rotating players in fight more efficient - A counter is red death which insta heals

All those above guns do nothing against a 365 Elfrit spear with final round, kills in 0.01 seconds. Got me to Mercury 3 times last week.

Weapon data and kill times.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit?pli=1#gid=0

You comments come across as a player who could not get to Mercury and just being salty. Lots of moaning posts from player teams who could not do 9-0, Thorn, spear, TLW, Hawkmoon lucky 1 shots...Shoguns, Blinking...you name it

Learn to snipe, learn to blink shotgun...get closer with last word, or stay back and snipe / Fang them.....Thorn stands NO chance at all. Only time we got close games was against good snipers...Did not care if they had thorn or not, made no difference.

Also if you fight medium and beyond, the Fang and Vision 365 slaughter all the primary exotic hand cannons, as do all snipers. There is no contest.

If you fight close range, shotguns slaughter all primary hand cannons.

Thorn is just a word of Crota with less range, more kick and 42 poison damage - remove the poison damage and word of crota is a better gun (and better at range vs recoil)

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

Pre-patch, it was like a sniper rifle.

It's really hard to beat that. Honestly, I remember going into lobbies and my friends and I would be paired up with clan members who would all go in S&D with just those two little devils.

 

[nom]

Pre-patch, it was like a sniper rifle.

So so much fun to use, even better that not many people had them because they unlocked at Level 67.

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

Jugg + MP40 + Silencer or extended mags + Steady Aim

I never touched it because it felt so cheap.

MP40 was like the FAMMAS in Black Ops 1. Shit was too good.

 

[Bulbasaur]

Cerebral Bore.

The noise still makes me shudder.

 

[old manatee]

When Battlefield Vietnam first launched you could choose to carry a giant machine gun with laser accuracy and a rocket launcher, but only if you were on the American side. You could take down waves of infantry and choppers, tanks, anything really.

If you were on the Vietnamese side you had like poison sticks and shit. It was crazy.

 

[pantsmith]

No it is not, you are wrong.

Guns that kill in 2 headshots = TLW (hipfire), Hawkmoon, Thorn. Basically ALL the exotic primary hand cannons.

Guns that kill in 2 burst = red death, Messenger , Three little words

Fastest gun to kill = Hawkmoon 40 % of the time.

Fastest primary gun to kill without 2 headshots = Either TLW or Hawkmoon

So out of the exotic primary handguns, Thorn is the slowest time to kill. Each is equal in my opinion and suit different engagement distances.

TLW = best up close
Thorn - Best Medium Range
Hawkmoon = best beyond medium range

And yes, Exotic hand cannons and exotic primaries should be better, as they are exotic and you have to choose 1 in your load out.

if you keep getting killed by Thorns in medium range and get 2 head shotted, then learn to strafe or engage at the distance to suite you weapon.

Thorn is popular in Trials of Osiris with reviving team mates 3 vs 3 as it slows the health regen making rotating players in fight more efficient - A counter is red death which insta heals

All those above guns do nothing against a 365 Elfrit spear with final round, kills in 0.01 seconds. Got me to Mercury 3 times last week.

Weapon data and kill times.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit?pli=1#gid=0

You comments come across as a player who could not get to Mercury and just being salty. Learn to snipe, learn to blink shotgun...get closer with last word, or stay back and snipe / Fang them.....Thorn stands NO chance at all. Only time we got close games was against good snipers...Did not care if they had thorn or not, made no difference.

Also if you fight medium and beyond, the Fang and Vision 365 slaughter all the primary exotic hand cannons, as do all snipers. There is no contest.

If you fight close range, shotguns slaughter all primary hand cannons.

I appreciate the amount of first hand knowledge you put into your post, but I think you and OP are approaching the issue from different angles.

First: you are absolutely right, the three exotic hand cannons all have their strengths and Thorn especially has some very hard counters.

The issue is that in the average engagement, between average players, Thorn wins every time. It requires pretty much no skill (contrasted with The Last Word requiring a deft hand) and is way more common than Hawkmoon. The DoT delays shields even longer, and makes the person who got away a soft target for your teammate. Plus, most of Destinys engagements are mid-range unless you control them into long range, so it's just naturally fantastic in that range.

I'm sure you are great and can counter Thorn without issue. The average player is average, and in their hands Thorn is way too good.

 

[DannyDanger]

MGO2 Shotgun + Auto Aim

 

[Rebel Leader]

USAS 12 with frag rounds
Battlefield 3

 

[Puru]

BFG10k in Quake 3.

 

[geordiemp]

I appreciate the amount of first hand knowledge you put into your post, but I think you and OP are approaching the issue from different angles.

First: you are absolutely right, the three exotic hand cannons all have their strengths and Thorn especially has some very hard counters.

The issue is that in the average engagement, between average players, Thorn wins every time. It requires pretty much no skill (contrasted with The Last Word requiring a deft hand) and is way more common than Hawkmoon. The DoT delays shields even longer, and makes the person who got away a soft target for your teammate. Plus, most of Destinys engagements are mid-range unless you control them into long range, so it's just naturally fantastic in that range.

I'm sure you are great and can counter Thorn without issue. The average player is average, and in their hands Thorn is way too good.

Not really, the best primary handgun is map dependent and where you fight on the map. I always take TLW to short engagement maps as it destroys thorn, there is no contest. Hawkmoon destroys on long sight lines.

Thorn kicks like a mule and its not as easy to use as VEX, Hawkmoon and TLW. TLW is full auto and anyone can destroy with it when closer....

Glad they nerfed Suros - anybody could use that.

When I play thorn you have to try harder to get those headshots, its a harder gun to master in my opinion and higher skill than TLW which is full auto spray then down. Hawkmoon is probably hardest. In Trails we use 2 snipers and a shotgun guy, 2 thorns and a Hawkmoon that covers long, medium and short engagements. If its a shorter map then 3 x TLW and shotguns.

EVERY encounters can be close if you choose.....(you just wait for them around a corner)

 

[friday]

Why did it take 4 pages!

It is the worst when your team is horrible and the entire other side has AWPs. I hate that gun.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Battlefield 3 pre patch Famas

Battlefield 3 pre patch under-slung Shotgun

Famas was a 0 recoil lazer beam of death. Everyone who had it unlocked used it

Under-slung Shotgun (M26 MASS) was bugged for like 3 months. It shot 9? pellets and each one did something like 200 damage, even at max range (300m)

You could kill snipers with ease. It was amazing and I abused the shit out of it

Heres a pic. 3800 kills and almost 95% accuracy. Good times

Oh yea, the days when TDM on Nosehairs Canals use to be ten times worse because of the pre patch M26. I remember a guy who decided to get a 2000SPM with just that gun and he was top 100 worldwide in SPM because of it and the fact that he played on a double XP weekend.

 

[Zombegoast]

These two weapons in Dark Souls 2

People with slow reaction time can parry with this weapon. It's start up was like 1 frame and the B-Team couldn't decide whether or not to buff or nerf the weapon.

Then you have a dagger which can OHK no matter what gear is being used.

Lol at the AWP response.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Hahaha If there is a contender for OP weapon in Splatoon, it is definitely not the roller.

 

[Akuun]

The funny thing about the Perfect Dark Farsight was that it was designed to be an anti-camping weapon.

Except its ability to shoot anyone anywhere on the level made it the perfect camping weapon itself.

Does MMO PvP count? I'd say that in Ragnarok Online (before the 3rd jobs came in, since I didn't play after that), the Creator/Biochemist's Acid Demonstration/Acid Bomb was overpowered as shit. Its damage scaled on the enemy's defensive stats, which meant that anyone who was built tough enough to tank any amount of normal pvp damage from other jobs in the game would get oneshot or twoshot by this attack. So you'd either build to be kind of squishy and get killed by everyone else in the game, or you could build yourself to be at least somewhat tanky (which is the typical PvP/WoE build), which leaves you vulnerable to getting destroyed by Acid Demonstration.

Combine that with being buffed and supported by a party, and a single Creator could put out enough damage to stop droves of attackers. Its main drawback was the bullshit amount of time and money it took to craft the items needed to use Acid Demonstration, which was a gigantic pain in the ass and meant that you needed to spend dozens of hours gathering and crafting the items needed to spend maybe an hour spamming this skill.

 

[Justinh]

Instantaneous 1 hit kills. Quake 2 rail gun all day everyday!

I don't think they're OP since they fire so slowly. Your aim has to be true.

I loved rail arena so much. Honestly, I barely played in a mode where everyone didn't just have railguns and grapple hooks iirc. Maybe it was OP in normal DM.

 

[TS-08]

Farsight, Redeemer and Mario Kart Blue Shells (at least in prior games) seem like the only legitimate contenders to me. Any other options just feel like personal preferences or answers from people who haven't played these games.

 

[AGoodODST]

Fucking Bubble Shield in Splatoon. Several seconds of invincibility that you can pass onto team mates by touching them.

 

[HeavyMetalLover91]

This fuckin' thing

 

[Hippopuncher12]

Halo 1 pistol...Akimbo 1887s lol mode.

 

[shaowebb]

LOL. Bet a good rapid fire will take you if you try to rush him. Seriously. Its got some serious paint covering for turf wars and instant kill, but you die quick in Splatoon. You'll never get close enough to a high rate of fire weapon with the roller before getting splatted. Folks will always just back up and shoot.

 

[Elman]

I doubt Armored Core had much of a multiplayer following during the PS1 era. If it did, I'm sure these were banned.

 

[Tawpgun]

Exotic handcannons need to be riled in for sure.

TLW kills so fast. Don't know about hawkmoon since I play on the bone but no way its cheaper than TLW or Thorn.

Thorn isn't really incredibly powerful just by kil shots. It's just fucking ANNOYING. You can track players with the damage ticks. You get shot ONCE and you pretty much have to run. It's just SO easy to use compared to how lethal it is.

My idea multiplayer balance is more or less "Harder weapons to use/master will reward you with faster kill times." Like if my shots are perfect I should beat you with a hard to aim weapon.

 

[pringles]

I think what annoys me more (aside from the instant kill if they touch you) is it requires no skill at all.

If "noob weapon" was ever a thing, then there'd be a picture of that weapon.

You are so, so wrong. Rollers without skill are free kills. Rollers are also incredibly difficult to play in Splat Zones.

 

[joecanada]

Not really, the best primary handgun is map dependent and where you fight on the map. I always take TLW to short engagement maps as it destroys thorn, there is no contest. Hawkmoon destroys on long sight lines.

Thorn kicks like a mule and its not as easy to use as VEX, Hawkmoon and TLW. TLW is full auto and anyone can destroy with it when closer....

Glad they nerfed Suros - anybody could use that.

When I play thorn you have to try harder to get those headshots, its a harder gun to master in my opinion and higher skill than TLW which is full auto spray then down. Hawkmoon is probably hardest. In Trails we use 2 snipers and a shotgun guy, 2 thorns and a Hawkmoon that covers long, medium and short engagements. If its a shorter map then 3 x TLW and shotguns.

EVERY encounters can be close if you choose.....(you just wait for them around a corner)

ya blink shotgun is way more OP than thorn... as others have pointed out in this thread, real OP weapons are ones you have no chance against.... 1887's , usas frag in bf3, KZ2 pistol was a one shot kill across an entire map.....

thorn is not OP it doesnt rule the game in any way.. it's a good gun and there's alot of them but any top player could just as easily be using hawkmoon, TLW, shotgun, fusion rifle (until a week ago), red death, bad juju plus supers, sniper rifle with final round...

if they nerf it another standout will take it's place and if they continue to nerf all ranges, shotguns will be the only thing left again... after fusion rifles were ruined now its all shotguns in close... boring.

 

[Impala26]

Exotic handcannons need to be riled in for sure.

TLW kills so fast. Don't know about hawkmoon since I play on the bone but no way its cheaper than TLW or Thorn.

Thorn isn't really incredibly powerful just by kil shots. It's just fucking ANNOYING. You can track players with the damage ticks. You get shot ONCE and you pretty much have to run. It's just SO easy to use compared to how lethal it is.

My idea multiplayer balance is more or less "Harder weapons to use/master will reward you with faster kill times." Like if my shots are perfect I should beat you with a hard to aim weapon.

Tawps coming in with the GOAT post right here.

Thorn is the most annoying gun in the game to go up against, it literally outclasses nearly all weapons in every type of combat encounter. Barring a good surprise CQC jump on a player, I've seen Thorn beat weapons at all combat distances. The thing shouldn't be able to out-snipe sniper rifles.

I do love the love/hate for the Perfect Dark Farsight here. No doubt the most OP weapon of any FPS I've played. We made sure it was NEVER an on-map pickup during the custom games me and my buddies played.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Pyro has one of the worst primaries in the game, slightly above-average health, average running speed, and no special mobility (unless you equip the otherwise useless Detonator). The reason everybody carries the Degreaser is because actually flaming people does so little damage that the only way to be viable in combat is to rely on combos.

Regardless, the concept of the Backburner or all weapons being OP is absurd. You'd might as well name the Loose Cannon or some other useless weapon that can occasionally deal massive damage should the poor sap carrying it get lucky.

i think you diminishing how poorly you can play as pyro and still be so effective.

regardless of the damage of the degreaser, being able to disable someone by the blowback + flare gun is actually quite ridiculous.

No one has the crowd control like he does.

 

[El_Chino]

How dare you. The gnasher was gears, gears was the gnasher. Cover was very important to the gnasher play.

If someone was decent with the torque bow, or you had a boomshot, you wouldn't worry about a guy with a gnasher.

My vote, definitely goes to the GoW3 sawn-off:

YOU RUINED GEARS.

YSSSSS. I hated it more than anything else during that time.

 

[BobTheFork]

UT2004 - The Enforcer

The default pistol weapon is more powerful than all the rockets and flak in the game.

 

[El_Chino]

No it is not, you are wrong. It does not kill in 2 shots unless both headshots.

Guns that kill in 2 headshots = TLW (hipfire), Hawkmoon, Thorn. Basically ALL the exotic primary hand cannons.

Guns that kill in 2 burst = red death, Messenger , Three little words

Fastest primary gun to kill = Hawkmoon 40 % of the time.

Fastest primary gun to kill without 2 headshots = Either TLW or Hawkmoon

So out of the exotic primary handguns, Thorn is the slowest time to kill. Each is equal in my opinion and suit different engagement distances.

TLW = best up close
Thorn - Best Medium Range
Hawkmoon = best beyond medium range

And yes, Exotic hand cannons and exotic primaries should be better, as they are exotic and you have to choose 1 in your load out.

Best primary guns for getting head shots - VEX and Jewel of Osiris (AA).

if you keep getting killed by Thorns in medium range and get 2 head shotted, then learn to strafe or engage at the distance to suite you weapon.

Thorn is popular in Trials of Osiris with reviving team mates 3 vs 3 as it slows the health regen making rotating players in fight more efficient - A counter is red death which insta heals

All those above guns do nothing against a 365 Elfrit spear with final round, kills in 0.01 seconds. Got me to Mercury 3 times last week.

Weapon data and kill times.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit?pli=1#gid=0

You comments come across as a player who could not get to Mercury and just being salty. Lots of moaning posts from player teams who could not do 9-0, Thorn, spear, TLW, Hawkmoon lucky 1 shots...Shoguns, Blinking...you name it

Learn to snipe, learn to blink shotgun...get closer with last word, or stay back and snipe / Fang them.....Thorn stands NO chance at all. Only time we got close games was against good snipers...Did not care if they had thorn or not, made no difference.

Also if you fight medium and beyond, the Fang and Vision 365 slaughter all the primary exotic hand cannons, as do all snipers. There is no contest.

If you fight close range, shotguns slaughter all primary hand cannons.

Thorn is just a word of Crota with less range, more kick and 42 poison damage - remove the poison damage and word of crota is a better gun (and better at range vs recoil)

Was there any need to ridicule me at all? You can't tell me I'm wrong when it's my opinion to begin with. In 95% of Destiny PVP matches everyone runs around with Thorn and does serious damage with one or two shots, especially if their head shots.

Also, you keep mentioning this "Hawkmoon" but that's a PS exclusive and I play Destiny on the Xbox One.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

The Spore Launcher from Half Life: Opposing Force. Spam a room full of enemies with a few shots from this thing. Body parts everywhere.

My second nomination is The Arc Cannon in Titanfall. It's especially fun when an entire team runs with the same Strider + Arc Cannon loadout. Not really.

 

[cluto]

Halo's Spartan Laser. I never see anyone talking about this, so I expect no one to agree with me, but I hate this weapon -- partially because of its inherent power, but mostly because of the major repercussions it has on vehicle control in matches. This weapon is a vehicle sniper that can one-shot any vehicle from anywhere on the map (presuming you have line of sight on said vehicle), regardless of what vehicle it is, how fast it's moving, or how how many people are in it. If you're the one in the vehicle, you have no way of countering the Laser unless you get lucky and happen to drive out of its line of sight, but if you don't know where the Laser guy is, or if the Laser guy is any decent with it, you will never see it coming and you'll die virtually instantly.

The effect it has on vehicle control is especially loathsome when there's only one Spartan Laser on the map (such as on Valhalla). The team that controls the Laser also controls which vehicles are "permitted" to exist and which ones aren't. If you're not the team with a Laser, expect to have to contend with a bunch of enemy vehicles using more meager methods and instant death if you hop into one of your own vehicles -- the balance quickly becomes lopsided. Even when both teams have a Laser, it's still problematic. A huge part of Big Team maps is the vehicular combat, but because of the Laser, vehicles are no longer viable combat options, they are death traps.

I don't like weapons that eliminate half of your viable options, not just for engaging your opponents, but for moving around the map as well. It sucks because Halo 3 already has so many other, more skillful and/or more balanced ways of countering vehicles (grenades, plasma pistol, brute shot, rocket launcher, power drain, land mine, vehicle-boarding, missile pod, other vehicles), which is why I don't think the Spartan Laser is even necessary. Bleh.

 

[El_Chino]

Halo's Spartan Laser. I never see anyone talking about this, so I expect no one to agree with me, but I hate this weapon -- partially because of its inherent power, but mostly because of the major repercussions it has on vehicle control in matches. This weapon is a vehicle sniper that can one-shot any vehicle from anywhere on the map (presuming you have line of sight on said vehicle), regardless of what vehicle it is, how fast it's moving, or how how many people are in it. If you're the one in the vehicle, you have no way of countering the Laser unless you get lucky and happen to drive out of its line of sight, but if you don't know where the Laser guy is, or if the Laser guy is any decent with it, you will never see it coming and you'll die virtually instantly.

The effect it has on vehicle control is especially loathsome when there's only one Spartan Laser on the map (such as on Valhalla). The team that controls the Laser also controls which vehicles are "permitted" to exist and which ones aren't. If you're not the team with a Laser, expect to have to contend with a bunch of enemy vehicles using more meager methods and instant death if you hop into one of your own vehicles -- the balance quickly becomes lopsided. Even when both teams have a Laser, it's still problematic. A huge part of Big Team maps is the vehicular combat, but because of the Laser, vehicles are no longer viable combat options, they are death traps.

I don't like weapons that eliminate half of your viable options, not just for engaging your opponents, but for moving around the map as well. It sucks because Halo 3 already has so many other, more skillful and/or more balanced ways of countering vehicles (grenades, plasma pistol, brute shot, rocket launcher, power drain, land mine, vehicle-boarding, missile pod, other vehicles), which is why I don't think the Spartan Laser is even necessary. Bleh.

Well it is an anti-vehicle weapon but I always felt they countered the power with aiming and the charge time.I always felt the aiming was abut tricky on the SL.

 

[Lemondish]

Ah Puch ult.

 

[Bastos]

I use Thorn but the only thing that pisses me off are the fucking Vex Mythoclasts

GOD DAMN IT

I wish Destiny PvP was balanced, no one should have any kind of advantage over other players. This is fucking stupid.

Yet, here I am playing this shit. This is worse than crack.

 

[geordiemp]

Was there any need to ridicule me at all? You can't tell me I'm wrong when it's my opinion to begin with. In 95% of Destiny PVP matches everyone runs around with Thorn and does serious damage with one or two shots, especially if their head shots.

Also, you keep mentioning this "Hawkmoon" but that's a PS exclusive and I play Destiny on the Xbox One.

Sorry if I offended, but at the moment with trials on and so many people not getting to go to mercury there is allot of gun moaning....

Go to bungie,net and there are daily moans about snipers, shotguns, TLW, Thorn, VEX

Yes the exotic primaries are very common, they are exotic for a reason.

The thorn can be earned and used by anybody, many are not good with it. The other exotics you need a lucky drop.

I use Thorn but the only thing that pisses me off are the fucking Vex Mythoclasts

GOD DAMN IT

I wish Destiny PvP was balanced, no one should have any kind of advantage over other players. This is fucking stupid.

Yet, here I am playing this shit. This is worse than crack.

Then which do you pick, Vex or thorn ? All the guns that kill you are bad...

 

[paolo11]

Boomer Gears of War

Sawed off shotgun Gears of War 3

Scythe Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge

 

[MisterJoynt]

In the early days …

 

[Bastos]

Sorry if I offended, but at the moment with trials on and so many people not getting to go to mercury there is allot of gun moaning....

Go to bungie,net and there are daily moans about snipers, shotguns, TLW, Thorn, VEX

Yes the exotic primaries are very common, they are exotic for a reason.

The thorn can be earned and used by anybody, many are not good with it. The other exotics you need a lucky drop.

Then which do you pick, Vex or thorn ? All the guns that kill you are bad...

I don't have problems with Thorn users. But everyone can just spray and pray with Vex.

It's the only one that seriously pisses me off.

 

[joecanada]

I don't have problems with Thorn users. But everyone can just spray and pray with Vex.

It's the only one that seriously pisses me off.

vex isn't even good anymore.... I tried it multiple times in IRON banner, does not hold up unless you have mutliple teammates using it in medium range. would not beat out any shotgun in close or any sniper, handcannon at medium, long range.

mine is maxed out.

 

[Zedox]

Why did this thread not end when Farsight was mentioned?

Who are you people listing other guns?

Farsight is the Omega.

There is nothing more powerful than Farsight. NOTHING. NOT.A.THING.

 

[joecanada]

Why did this thread not end when Farsight was mentioned?

Who are you people listing other guns?

Farsight is the Omega.

There is nothing more powerful than Farsight. NOTHING. NOT.A.THING.

could you just tap L1 R1 and headshot anyone on the map near your reticle without even seeing them? If the answer is no then KZ2 pistol still wins.

 

[RedSwirl]

Cerebral Bore.

The noise still makes me shudder.

I was waiting for someone to post this.

 

[Chippiez]

quake 3 Arena: Rocket Launcher

/thread

 

[mcz117chief]

Aliens: Colonial Marines

This weapon is only available to people who bought the big collector's edition. It is such a ****ing cheat that it is just stupid. It is in every aspect an insta-gib from Unreal Tournament. One shot = instant kill anywhere on the body. Although I must say that the rage you get for having this weapon is hilarious. You see an alien jumping on the other side of the map and "bam!" hit-scan instant kill and then it starts, messages like "wtf was that? You cheating ****! **** YOU!". Yeah, totally worth it, but so stupid

 

[Diablohead]

Well it is an anti-vehicle weapon but I always felt they countered the power with aiming and the charge time.I always felt the aiming was abut tricky on the SL.

I always thought that being able to fire it without having to lock onto a vehicle was dumb, it became too good because of that against anything on foot.

quake 3 Arena: Rocket Launcher

/thread

Q3A is all about the rocket launcher, then sometimes a shotgun and railgun if you run out of ammo.

 

[Bold One]

When the Vex Mythoclast first surfaced, it was the most broken OP weapon I had ever experienced,

Death was a certainty

 

[SgtCobra]

Definitely the Thorn, it's a PvP gamebreaker if I've ever seen one, the Hawkmoon and TLW got nothing on it. Getting 2 headshots with a handcannon with one of the best stabilities in the game is easy as hell. The DoT perk gives you the option to chicken out and avoid further confrontation while the enemy is taking all the damage since its just a matter of time till he dies (that is if you hit it with 2 headshots or 1 headshot and bodyshots)
Another big advantage is the range which is also ridiculous, you can get sniped very easily by a Thorn user pretty much out of nowhere at scout rifle range.
The rate of fire is also high which can give you enough chances at hitting the enemy when you missed your critical hit(s)
The Hawkmoon has a bigger kickback when firing and its target acquisition isn't that spectacular. Its also very bad at close range and people use that luck in the chamber x3 argument waaay to much even though it really depends on luck, the Thorn still stays consistent with its damage and always activates that DoT on its first hit.
The Last Word is very good at close range but loses at long (some) mid range encounters compared to the Thorn and Hawkmoon.

 

[geordiemp]

Definitely the Thorn, it's a PvP gamebreaker if I've ever seen one, the Hawkmoon and TLW got nothing on it. Getting 2 headshots with a handcannon with one of the best stabilities in the game is easy as hell. The Last Word is very good at close range but loses at long (some) mid range encounters compared to the Thorn and Hawkmoon.

Stopped reading right there. Its got one of the BASE biggest kicks in the game (80), even with the balance perk its middle to high tier of kick for hand cannons.

People posting this drivel man, if thorn was easy you would be using it, but I guess you don't as you would know about the kick blasting up in your face each shot.

TLW has bigger kick, biggest in game and worse than Thorn.

If your good with the Thorn, it does not show.