WaffleTaco
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Just saw a video of this, and this looks simply amazing! I don't even care about gaming for it, just using it in real life would be so cool.
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Alx
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That, and I don't know how well the new generation of depth sensors fare in outside environments. IR devices usually don't like direct sunlight, but I haven't tested the kinect2 in outside scenarios yet.
Yeah thanks, I must of skipped through it.
I could defiantly see this thing working like that stage demo and I dont see it competing with VR or google glass.
Its basilcaly a PC with a new interface,output and form factor.
Right away I can see this being a great product if it works well, some examples that come to mind just in general computing:
- word processing and editing, a virtual screen pops up with your word document or video editor or Photoshop along with a virtual keyboard
- media - you can watch movies and programs with this thing.
- some cool games could certainly happen, you could do the ultimate laser quest with something like this complete with computer AI in the real world, merging a real world game with the virtual - that right there is insanely cool star trek level type stuff I would of gone crazy for as a kid, and to a lesser degree now.
The are obsticles for these things though
- its has to work really well
- the marketing of this thing is key
- this thing is going to be pricey with on-board tech, but could be very good value if you dont need any other accessories for it plus the range of apps and uses it could have, Im thinking this thing will cost $300-$500.
Its google glass for the the home.
ChronotriggerJM
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Depending on how good/fast they can get the environment's to scan, the applications for AR in a Car would be massive.
I thought someone was demoing on the fly turn by turn directions in google glass. Perhaps it was concept, but it showed these hovering arrows pointing which streets you would need to go down and such.
I thought someone was demoing on the fly turn by turn directions in google glass. Perhaps it was concept, but it showed these hovering arrows pointing which streets you would need to go down and such.
Until you get in an accident with them on ...
SystemUser
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Milo and Natal were both shown to the press after their unveiling at E3 (just as the press got hands on time with Kinect 2.0 and X1 and now HoloLens). Milo was even demonstrated live on stage at TED a while back. MS also routinely has actual live gameplay segments in their E3 presser, even ones that don't work as well (see: BF 4).
Not sure we should applaud game crashes during demos beneath the mantra of simply being 'honest'. Sony of all companies ought not enjoy such praise given the fact they explicitly lied through their teeth regarding the KZ 2 'actual in-game, gameplay footage' that in reality was CG specifically designed to mislead audiences.
All companies have had failures with live demos, which is why all have a combination of live demos (for more finished software) and staged tech demos (either concept video or choreographed on stage). This isn't new nor is it somehow confined to MS press events.
You've no clue what you are talking about...
That's funny considering all the press got to use it.
DarthWalden
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Imagine paintball with these
SniperHunter
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*Now with glasses
I read WIRED's hands on, it was a small demo of a game scenario.
I am talking about what is seen in the pictures all of the screens, all of the controls and options.
GuitarAtomik
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I've read impressions from multiple press that's basically described every single thing in the concept vid. Look on the last page for RPS's impressions about the Mars landscape, HoloStudio, and Minecraft demos. Also not sure which article you read, but Wired's hands on also described the Mars landscape demo, one with a similar scenario of the pipe fixing thing from the vid, HoloStudio, and something that sounded like the alien running around the room from the promo vid.
Anton Sugar
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Alx
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It's an allusion to Illumiroom and Milo. Except that illumiroom was never meant to be a consumer product (they said it from the beginning), and most people didn't understand what Milo was (having a game recognize key sentences or the color of your shirt isn't really out of this world... but for some reason people thought it was supposed to be a real AI).
Graphics Horse
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Hmmm... you raise and interesting point.
the "hologram" part of this looks great.
Though this is still "only" display technology, for now.
Just like Oculus, the proof is in the "interaction" pudding. Right now, you can only point and "air-click" things, which are very basic gestures that even a PlaystationEye camera could pick up. This needs to get 10 finger tracking perfectly right. Or some sort of positional stylus.
If the gesture controls work as unreliably as current Kinect, it's going to be far less useful.
Though this is still "only" display technology, for now.
Just like Oculus, the proof is in the "interaction" pudding. Right now, you can only point and "air-click" things, which are very basic gestures that even a PlaystationEye camera could pick up. This needs to get 10 finger tracking perfectly right. Or some sort of positional stylus.
If the gesture controls work as unreliably as current Kinect, it's going to be far less useful.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
You're not pointing, it's tracking your eye movements and the cursor is going where you're looking, the finger gesture is just the trigger like a mouse click. It's not just limited to that, in one of the demos the people were able to use a real mouse where the pointer could leave the actual computer screen they were at and interact with the mars surface they were seeing.
It's supposed to be out this year.
GuitarAtomik
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You can also use a mouse and keyboard (and presumably a controller) with it. It also has eye tracking which it uses in conjunction with the point and click.
qa_engineer
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I can see this used quite a bit in design and engineering jobs. Not so sure it will make a big impact in gaming just yet. Maybe later one when the tech has matured.
Samurai G0SU
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You know what's cool, this is just the beginning and the technology will become even better. I have the highest hopes we proceed in using this in multiple channels.
I mean, it will take a little longer than that before it is fully functional with good games with it etc.
Could be wrong though.
It will be easy to make a model of this for X1 specifically. All they have to do is remove the cpu and gpu, and whatever else and then have the X1 do most of the processing. It should even be possible to transform this into a full-on VR device; increase the field of view and something that can prevent light from external sources.
As it is, it seems its does what it does effectively, to remarkable degree apparently.
As it is, it seems its does what it does effectively, to remarkable degree apparently.
maquiladora
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Sounds like a gimmicky buzzcatching name for a CPU.
GuitarAtomik
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I mean it really depends on the game. If you're just talking about traditional AAA games than sure. But anything that would benefit from examining a 3D space would be enhanced by this. The Minecraft one is an example that's already functioning and apparently well. Now imagine a game like Art of Balance that takes place in a 3D area instead of a 2D plane that you can just play on your coffee table. A game like Toad's Treasure Tracker where you can walk around the space instead of worrying about camera angles or Super Stardust or Resogun where you can look all the way around the play space. Imagine networking two headsets and being able to play virtual ping pong against each other. Imagine being able to bowl down a virtual window in your wall. There's all kinds of new crazy shit you can do.
There's a CPU and GPU in there, and a separate chip that processes all of the input coming in from all the sensors.
Tripp Daily
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This is where I wish Media Molecule was a MS developer.
I have a pair of AR glasses that utilize Android software from another company. It is a full Android experience in an AR format; there is nothing far fetched about it. I can swipe, tap, stretch, do any of the Android gestures in open space. It's pretty neat (demoing it for work so it is not a consumer thing yet).
oldergamer
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No more then calling a graphics chip a GPU when Nvidia started that years ago. if it's a chip design for a specific purpose in creating what appears to be a hologram, then it makes sense, and sounds cooler.
Four_Chamber
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Amazing, really amazing. The feedback that the press has reported is really encouraging. The Minecraft castle below the table in the RPS preview was amazing. This could really provide as unique an experience as I've seen in my lifetime.
I love the Oculus experience but this could really be a gamechanger in how we utilize technology. The gaming applications are great and all but I'm intrigued to see where this goes.
I love the Oculus experience but this could really be a gamechanger in how we utilize technology. The gaming applications are great and all but I'm intrigued to see where this goes.
Squidward?
This is pretty much how I see it turning out for both VR and AR.
Raising points ain't the only thing its going to do.
*ba dum tss*
Ol No Bones
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I realize this Alex kipman is way smarter and has far more success than I but I can't stop having a hearty smirk when his voice cracks and goes up a couple octaves. Also, he looks like Belfiore's evil twin to me.
KoopaTheCasual
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I see this leap frogging gaming completely. And that's honestly one of the most exciting things about this device. It's like a non-goofy, significantly more robust google-glass for indoor use.
The whole scenario of "off-site assistance" with a technician, is going to be an immediate convenience.
The whole scenario of "off-site assistance" with a technician, is going to be an immediate convenience.
Alx
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It may be the Mars demo, there is a virtual character appearing in that one.
Sounds a lot like it.
Theonik
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Actually, the dataset doesn't increase depending on the complexity of the environment. The resolution of the sensors is fixed and so the size of the point cloud is also fixed. It might make recognition less effective however. Though, you don't need significant accuracy for this. Just a basic idea of where a surface might be is enough.