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[Brashnir]

The bandwidth isn't even the biggest problem but latency.

I don't think a latency of 150-200ms is okay for real-time stuff.

exactly. If you're rendering a game at 60hz, that's 10 fucking frames too late to matter.

 

[Dany]

Then what the hell are they talking about? What are they offloading to to servers in redmond, wa. that makes the game I play 40x more powerful?

Or are they bullshiting?

 

[Eusis]

Wise words by mister Iwata.

Exactly the impression I got, and given Iwata's background he can not be ignored in this instance. It really sounds like it's just smoke & mirrors from Microsoft, and unless developers deliberately make a PS4 version worse it's going to keep showing over and over again, whether it's a huge difference or just a stable 30 FPS versus a frequently dipping FPS.

 

[RoyalFool]

The cloud stuff is complete bullshit, you can't share processing load between the local system and a remote system because the passing of data back and forth is so slow that you can only off-load tasks that require a lot of processing on very small data-sets and that the system doesn't mind waiting on asynchronously to finish. So in other-words, it cannot be used at all for games.

You can use it for heavy non-time critical number crunching. Chess AI, city simulations - that sort of jazz, but it in no way grants the system more "power" in the traditional sense, it can't render more polygons per second for you, it can't help with anything that needs to be computed every frame (even at 30fps) such as animation, movement, gameplay processing.

The only stuff you can do in the cloud are the things Sony are already doing, remote video compression and streaming of games running on remote hardware. But for both of these the device you are using isn't important, you could stream a next-gen game onto a Dreamcast just as well as you could an Xbox One.

So to conclude, it's bullshit. It's not even 10x as powerful before you take the fairy dust and magical unicorns into account

 

[Bedlam]

But does it also have Blast Processing? No? Never mind...

This is becoming too stupid, MS. You should've learnt from EA's PR failures with Sim City.

 

[Fugu]

I like that Microsoft's marketing team has so little respect for us that they're just making shit up.

Say you were on a 56k modem with the xbone, how many times more powerful than the 360 would that be?

Do you not read your own posts? It'll be 56 000 times more powerful.

 

[marrec]

The bandwidth isn't even the biggest problem but latency.

I don't think a latency of 150-200ms is okay for real-time stuff.

It depends on what you're using the cloud for, OnLive has proven that competitive gaming via the cloud is currently impossible.

 

[Nirolak]

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard from an "official" source.

Seriously.

Fuck you MS.

Hey as long as you run at 5 FPS this may be feasible!

Outside of that the only thing I could see working is if vast amounts of computation are done on a personal server and it's like you're in a singleplayer MMO.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Well considering the bandwidth required for something like this would be astronomical I really think they need to rethink their claims.

 

[Karak]

I fully expect MS to run with this BS for a long time.

They will. They have been running with it since the powerpoint. They 100% think it can work. It is boggling.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The Cloud vs 8 GB GDDR5

 

[KingSnake]

Oh, god! This is getting ridiculous, really!

How many teraflops is a cloud?

 

[PG2G]

While I think all this cloud nonsense is silly, it is kind of hard to call BS on Microsoft when services like Gaikai intend to do all of the work in the cloud.

 

[Jake Tower]

The cloud is all the required to be online Xbones. P2P processing.

 

[Durante]

If you're making up numbers out of thin air, why not go for 100x? 10000x?

I mean, just add up the processing capabilities of all your cloud servers and roll with it!

 

[darkwing]

Oh, god! This is getting ridiculous, really!

How many teraflops is a cloud?

no of Live Gold subscribers

 

[Coolwhip]

There are no words...

 

[Grief.exe]

The power...of the cloud!!

 

[Auto_aim1]

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard from an "official" source.

Seriously.

Fuck you MS.

The source seems a bit iffy tbh. Never heard of the site before.

 

[Punkster_NY]

so without an internet connection and the power of the cloud you have a weak ass console. what the fuck is the point of upgrading then, so you can have TV/DVR? lol

 

[Brashnir]

Every Xbox 1 game to shit shitty MMO combat due to latency confirmed.

 

[ymmv]

What's worse: the claim that The Cloud makes the Xbox 40x more powerful or the lie that the Xbox One has more than 200GB/sec of bandwidth?

MS is getting pretty desperate.

 

[UnblessedSoul]

How much is that in terms of Gigabytes, with cloud the possibilities are endless

 

[Riggs]

The power...of the cloud!!

when it starts raining my fps better not go to shit.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Is this the long fabled 'secret sauce'?

Yes, drizzled over an "Always Online Steak".

 

[sant]

BINGO. they know this so what do they do?

CLOUD POWER! we don't know how powerful this thing can be its up the devs!

bullshit.

It is fulfilling its intended purpose, to take the conversation away from that fact.

 

[AstroNut325]

Something tells me the people making the claims of cloud computing improving games have NEVER tried to use a cloud system with real-time data and rendering functions.

 

[Horse Armour]

How much is that in terms of Gigabytes

Exactly 8.

 

[StevieP]

Man my Titans are certainly more powerful when they connect to the internet to download more cores. I should download 8GB of DDR5s

 

[Mung]

They need to be held accountable for these comments in the future.... with their jobs.

 

[Mrbob]

Here comes to the damage control from MS because the Xbone is weaker than the PS4. Get ahead of it now.

 

[Atrophis]

We didn't believe Maxis and we won't believe you either Microsoft. Stop trying to justify your online DRM with this buzzword.

If you do believe this rubbish (Eurogamers Tom Bramwell lol) then I feel sorry for your impending disappointment.

 

[Guymelef]

If you're making up numbers out of thin air, why not go for 100x? 10000x?

I mean, just add up the processing capabilities of all your cloud servers and roll with it!

It does, is the "infinite power of the cloud"

 

[krae_man]

Folding @ Home should be making a comeback. Do some good while you watch TV or Skype with grandma.

Nah man Bitcoin mining@home.

 

[Daingurse]

Wise words by mister Iwata.

Wow, Iwata on fucking point. I have my gripes with the man, but he is absolutely right here.

 

[Brashnir]

How much is that in terms of Gigabytes

All the gigabigs.

 

[ymmv]

If you're making up numbers out of thin air, why not go for 100x? 10000x?

I mean, just add up the processing capabilities of all your cloud servers and roll with it!

There's 300,000 of them too!

 

[madmackem]

Its all rocket science guys. How many transistors does this add guys.

 

[Canis lupus]

It works like 4D did on PS3.

lmfao

 

[marrec]

thanks! so this means for people without internet = 10 times as powerful, people with slow internet 25 times as powerful and fast internet = 40 times?

nevermind my post if its nonsense

It's not that simple, Microsoft saying that it's '40 times as powerful' is disingenuous because as other people have pointed out, you won't be able to use the cloud to render games better. What it will be useful for is backend stuff that doesn't care about high latency... it remains to be seen exactly what kind of things Microsoft could use the cloud for in the X1 but there is potential to offload some types of processing.

 

[Nibel]

They are trying their best to make me buy Nintendo's and Sony's stuff

I mean come the fuck on

 

[iNvid02]

pure, unfiltered bullshit straight from the source

 

[Trevelyon]

This is some cell processor in my bar fridge halping my graphx bullshit.

Embarrassing as fuark.

 

[Bedlam]

While I think all this cloud nonsense is silly, it is kind of hard to call BS on Microsoft when services like Gaikai intend to do all of the work in the cloud.

Isn't Gaikai just supposed to stream games, like Onlive? Because that's different than saying "the cloud will make the console that much more powerful".

 

[Durante]

While I think all this cloud nonsense is silly, it is kind of hard to call BS on Microsoft when services like Gaikai intend to do all of the work in the cloud.

Funnily enough, running the entire game "on the cloud" and streaming a video is in many ways more feasible and pragmatic than distributing it partially.

 

[nasos_333]

Haha. They will keep talking about this and it will never become reality.
You can't rely on cloud computations for a realtime graphics pipeline. If so, why even release a new console...
Watch all multiplatform games be inferior to PS4 outings.

If you do it right, like upload a copy of the current loaded game level that updates with just input transfer and contributes half frames for example, could be viable and become reality with fast connections

Maybe load levels locally in server too, so you only have to init and update the level state, so you need minimal transfer

But generally that is very far fetched for now, since we dont have working examples

 

[Rourkey]

Is what they are talking about the same tech as online? if so does that work well?

 

[Emitan]

Watch them underclock the CPU when not connected to the Internet to try and prove this is real.

 

[lordfroakie]

 

[Sean]

i never see anything besides jokes in threads like this. can anybody explain to me how this would work? please ?

One scenario I've read is that a racing game could have a lot more cars on the track since the AI for most of them would be handled in the cloud (the Xbone CPU would only be used for the 3-4 cars nearest the player).

I dunno if this was an official Microsoft example though or just a poster speculating.