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MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud
- Thread starter Horse Armour
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What on earth are they TALKING ABOUT!? It's like the ravings of a lunatic. How can sit there and say these things without explaining them in the slightest?
By my money, as long you can play games without an internet connection for 23 hour and 59 minutes, whatever magical nonsense the Cloud is supposed to do cannot be relied upon by developers - so won't be.
By my money, as long you can play games without an internet connection for 23 hour and 59 minutes, whatever magical nonsense the Cloud is supposed to do cannot be relied upon by developers - so won't be.
Computer
Member
They have 300,000 Xbox One severs around the world I don't think it will be fucked.
Keyser Soze
Member
We need a better overview of what they're planning with the cloud. So vague.
But while I'm by no means personally interested in MS consoles, I don't fully share the immediate knee-jerk reaction here to all cloud usage. It's certainly true that systems have been tending in that direction. Look at the newer breed of web applications: the code and logic is increasingly being run locally on the client (various JS frameworks) but the assets (and requests for structured data) are distributed across a cloud of servers, so that you end up with many smaller network calls running asynchronously and managed according to local logic and object models.
Applied to gaming, that doesn't mean your game would be streaming OnLive style; it would be more akin to your local 'box still running a great deal of the code and logic but continuously obtaining assets (and structured information in response to queries and objects) from the network. It's not difficult to envision some impressive things that could be accomplished when the local device only needs to keep track of the content and logic currently in use, such that other portions of the game world or AI logic might be largely handled elsewhere and then handed off to the local machine in small packets, and in digested form.
I'm not even a AAA kind of gamer but if you do want some hyper-realistic Arkham Metropolis kind of game one day with an immensely rich and complex city, it does seem like technology in a few years would be better suited to achieving that in a hybrid fashion (leveraging local logic and distributed networks of resources) than having some kind of super-box 4.0 in every home. The latter is just generally not where things are headed.
But while I'm by no means personally interested in MS consoles, I don't fully share the immediate knee-jerk reaction here to all cloud usage. It's certainly true that systems have been tending in that direction. Look at the newer breed of web applications: the code and logic is increasingly being run locally on the client (various JS frameworks) but the assets (and requests for structured data) are distributed across a cloud of servers, so that you end up with many smaller network calls running asynchronously and managed according to local logic and object models.
Applied to gaming, that doesn't mean your game would be streaming OnLive style; it would be more akin to your local 'box still running a great deal of the code and logic but continuously obtaining assets (and structured information in response to queries and objects) from the network. It's not difficult to envision some impressive things that could be accomplished when the local device only needs to keep track of the content and logic currently in use, such that other portions of the game world or AI logic might be largely handled elsewhere and then handed off to the local machine in small packets, and in digested form.
I'm not even a AAA kind of gamer but if you do want some hyper-realistic Arkham Metropolis kind of game one day with an immensely rich and complex city, it does seem like technology in a few years would be better suited to achieving that in a hybrid fashion (leveraging local logic and distributed networks of resources) than having some kind of super-box 4.0 in every home. The latter is just generally not where things are headed.
DataStream
Member
I hope they have some concrete examples of using cloud processing in 1st party games unveiled at e3.
Palette Swap
Member
With a shitload of servers distributed in a very dense grid all over territories supporting that lol.
Wishmaster92
Member
Xbone
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
But really at this point we shouldn't be surprised.
Microsoft has built everything on bluster and marketing. That came to a head when Kinect was revealed. They did nothing but rant about how Kinect was infinite and amazing, changed the para-diggum for what video games even were, blah blah. But it was all based on very little to nothing - the goal was to create insane hype in the mainstream to move those warm bodies and purchase Kinect sensors even if there wasn't hardly any software and never would be.
The lesson taught by Kinect is already in place: it's about selling based on image and not substance. Microsoft will say literally anything if they think it'll guarantee a hot launch. Problem here is, Kinect was just an accessory. They appear to be trying the same tactic for an entire game platform, which has to be able to carry itself for years to come.
Microsoft has built everything on bluster and marketing. That came to a head when Kinect was revealed. They did nothing but rant about how Kinect was infinite and amazing, changed the para-diggum for what video games even were, blah blah. But it was all based on very little to nothing - the goal was to create insane hype in the mainstream to move those warm bodies and purchase Kinect sensors even if there wasn't hardly any software and never would be.
The lesson taught by Kinect is already in place: it's about selling based on image and not substance. Microsoft will say literally anything if they think it'll guarantee a hot launch. Problem here is, Kinect was just an accessory. They appear to be trying the same tactic for an entire game platform, which has to be able to carry itself for years to come.
ebullientprism
Member
This is the kind of bollocks you have to make up when you have a technologically inferior product coupled with a bad DRM.
Are people honestly going to be outraged by everything uttered by Microsoft? This is honestly pretty standard as far as PR rhetoric is concerned. We saw a ton of it at the beginning of last generation. Have people forgotten stuff like "You see this graphically amazing game, well it's only using [pull percentage of your ass] of [insert console]'s power!" that was paraded around by developers of the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3?
Fact of the matter is, the union of Azure and Xbox is highly intriguing, and even Microsoft admits that they're not completely aware of how it's going to be utilized outside of the obvious areas: http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-azure/
Fact of the matter is, the union of Azure and Xbox is highly intriguing, and even Microsoft admits that they're not completely aware of how it's going to be utilized outside of the obvious areas: http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-azure/
hahaha
It'll do that 40 times faster than your 360 could.
Jake Tower
Banned
SimShitty: the console
I love how they downplay game streaming because of network/latency concerns, then pretend that "THE CLOUD" will somehow perform real-time computation for xbone games and send that up and down the network 30+ times per second with no problems.
This is the exact same shit that EA tried to justify Sim City with btw, except the cat is out of the bag about Sim City now yet MS have doubled down on this fucking garbage.
This is the exact same shit that EA tried to justify Sim City with btw, except the cat is out of the bag about Sim City now yet MS have doubled down on this fucking garbage.
But off loading a huge amount of processing to local hardware is also desirable
I think a mix is always possible, stream only half the frames to double your framerate for example and cut back the server side infrastructure to half
The Cartographer
Member
You can't really stop them anymore.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
Will we see "Cloud Required" (meaning a constant internet connection) games similar to how there were "HDD Required" games back in the day?
JakkuFurosu
Member
40x more powerful
Dayfucking1
Dayfucking1
scytherage
Member
They didn't even factor in the user's quality of connection.
This Microsoft today is clearly insane. Where is the Microsoft of the pre 360 era?
This Microsoft today is clearly insane. Where is the Microsoft of the pre 360 era?
JetBlackPanda
Member
They really do think we are all fucking idiots don't they?
Jake Tower
Banned
needs only on xbone
That's a good example actually, one of our most successful cloud workflows is weather prediction. Surprise: it's not a real-time interactive computation!
Will we see "Cloud Required" (meaning a constant internet connection) games similar to how there were "HDD Required" games back in the day?
Frames per second may vary*
*depending on your internet connection speed
krypt0nian
Banned
I guess if you're going to be nuts, go all in nuts.
Zombie James
Banned
I thought it was infinite power?
BomberMouse
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paradise_circus
Member
isn't that possible with the wiiu and ps?
N30RYU
Member
Me neither... I don't get at all the cloud computing thing... whats it, some sort of cache server to make the game more fluid or something?
So... if the XBone is x10 better than 360, and x40 better with the cloud... doesn't that mean that hidden in the cloud are 3 Xbones?
So... nintendo haven't already lost... could manage a better cloud that make the sistem x50 better, right?
JetBlackPanda
Member
good because i need real time weather and wind effects.
Silly people
And I am talking about you guys
The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it
City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now
All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
And I am talking about you guys
The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it
City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now
All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
BobTheFork
Member
So if the PS3 could do 120 FPS and the XBone is 40 times as powerful as the 360..
So PS3 * X = 360
360 * 40 = XBone
Xbone * Cloud = Infinity
(Ps3 * X * 40)\cloud = XBONE
PS3X40 = FUCKcloud
I think games are going to need some serious motion sickness pills
So PS3 * X = 360
360 * 40 = XBone
Xbone * Cloud = Infinity
(Ps3 * X * 40)\cloud = XBONE
PS3X40 = FUCKcloud
I think games are going to need some serious motion sickness pills
CassidyIzABeast
Member
They better have a game to show this stuff in action. sounds like some Geforce Grid stuff.
zomgbbqftw
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Will we see "Cloud Required" (meaning a constant internet connection) games similar to how there were "HDD Required" games back in the day?
May as well label them "dirty poor people not allowed".