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Muslim-GAF, is getting a tattoo Haram?
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TheRealTalker
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we are allowed touching dogs
but if they licks us then we have to wash it off
people with particular reasons are allowed to have dogs like having it as a guard dog for a farm or people with disabilities such as the blind having a dog for aid
animals are animals..... if a devout muslim saw a dog or pig suffering from thirst it is their obligation to help them since they are gods creatures
any animal abuse is against the religion since they will testify it in the day of judgement
we are also not allowed to hunt animals for game purposes
I'm talking about those people who think that we don't need a Khilafah and that secularism is acceptable.
Whether or not we have a Khilafah right now doesn't change that secularism isn't acceptable.
Sarcastico
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If you look at a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran, secularism wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
Those countries aren't exactly implementing the Sharia....they're still governed in many aspects by the laws of kufr.
What if the dog had a tattoo and a very sensitive disposition and its feelings are easily hurt when people call it filthy?
Also if the dog wore hot pants and a top hat.
(p.s. you're a cool cat in my book)
ginger ninja
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literally everything he has said so far in this thread(and elsewhere) are arguments straight out of their rule book. I am not a betting man but if someone asks me which apple is more likely to rot, i know which one to point to. At the very least he is a sympathizer. I know this may look pretty stupid to you, but as a member of the muslim community, i do feel like the need to call out shit which i see as the massive potential to blow up soon enough.
It's all about proving maher wrong really, some of us do call out the crazy when we see them.
Sarcastico
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So you're telling me your version of the Sharia is the truth, and Saudi Arabia, with all of their scholars and imams, are implementing kufr and ishrak?
What happened to scholars>you? Now it's the opposite! See this is exactly why you should be more open minded with other peoples opinions.
Terra Firma
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With this logic and train of thought, people can justify every single sin under the sun.
Alcohol is strictly forbidden in Islam, but "Well, all my friends go to the bar and drink alcohol. I should go and drink to fit in. Otherwise, I might be seen as a pariah or outsider."
Having premarital relations are strictly forbidden in Islam, but "Having premarital relations like girlfriends and boyfriends is the norm where I live. I don't want to remain a virgin until my marriage, so maybe I should do as others do."
Praying five times a day at the appointed times is mandatory in Islam, but "None of my coworkers have to take time out to worship their god. Why am I wasting my time praying those salahs that take place when I'm at work? Maybe I should simply make them qadha and pray them later."
And no, this is not a 'hardline' view. This is the view espoused by mainstream scholars living in the west. Interest is haraam. Full stop. If you want to take a more lenient approach, you have the freedom to do so, but only if you don't care about your aakhirah.
Many of the Muslims I know have not paid a single cent in interest. They have gotten their houses through a Muslim cooperative or through Islamic finances. Others continue to rent.
It is not compulsory on you to own a house or have a fancy car. It is not as if taking out loans is essential to survive in America.
I can sympathize with that sentiment.
I too have been nudging some of my more "dedicated" buddies to chill the fuck out regarding some aspects of our religion.
Wish that empire was still around, just to see how it would deal with modernity.
Maninthemirror
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That is why you use common sense. Avoid interest where you can and don't do things you don't need like tattoos and such. Interest is something you cannot avoid in majority of countries, even doing business in a Muslim majority country you would be doing Interest
In the end its between God and you and God is forgiving
Terra Firma
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I don't know where you're getting this idea that interest is unavoidable. I have already said that there are many venues of Islamic finances available to Muslims to completely bypass the usury-based banking loan system. If interest was an unavoidable fact of living in Western countries, hijrah would be mandatory upon all Muslims, especially those who have the means to do so. Surah Nisa verse 97 makes a point about this specifically.
And common sense isn't that common. Muslims routinely make excuses to not pray their prayers at the appointed times, even those that would regularly pray 5 times a day.
Sarcastico
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This is a clearer picture. http://www.arabnews.com/news/484261
I have no idea what the relevance is, though.
EDIT: I'll stop right here. I need to sleep.
ginger ninja
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When i said the neutron bomb has been primed, i meant the neutron bomb of his stupidity.
You pretty much know where its gonna go after someone like him start talking about the desperate need for khilafa or the wishful thinking that khilafat is the solution to everything.
Khilafat didn't work right after the prophet died, the resulting schism broke islam into factions and even the rightly guided followers couldn't stay true to what khilafa meant(muwaiya set his son on the throne and proclaimed him khaleefa lol)
so what i am saying is, global or even regional khilafat is nothing more than a jihadist wet dream, and a pretty wishful one at that..it didn't work 1500 years ago, it sure as fuck not gonna work now
Maninthemirror
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90% of all businesses deal with interests and that includes muslim countries and companies, you cannot avoid it no ways, what will you do live in a cave, the smart phones you guy are interest based as is every car you buy and every house and business dealings
I'd imagine you'd need to have several Khalifat in existence at once, in order to guide the various sects.
But even that notion is susceptible to corruption, collusion and infighting.
You are probably correct, that a Khalifat of old would not work, especially in modern times.
Terra Firma
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No, they're not. Do you even understand what interest is?
How are smart phones "interest based"? How are cars, especially those that have 0% interest financing, "interest based"? My buddy recently bought a brand new Toyota Camry for $22k in Chicago for 0% interest. Where's this secret, hidden interest that he is supposed to pay?
You can go on taking a lax view when it comes to such an important aspect, but there are legitimate Muslim owned business that do not deal in interest, both in Muslim countries and non-Muslim countries. It is easy to avoid interest if you actually have the intent to avoid it.
God is forgiving but there is no guarantee of forgiveness, especially if one takes the sinful way when there are non-sinful alternatives available.
The Prophet PBUH said, "Riba is of seventy different kinds, the least grave being equivalent to a man marrying (i.e. fornicating with) his own mother."
That's clearly not the same as deciding to take out a mortgage or a loan to buy a car or whatever else.
Maninthemirror
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I am just saying in western countries interest is unavoidable
Terra Firma
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No, it is not.
So would you say that living in Western countries is automatically haram?
You'd have to be willing to bend some rules to cope with circumstances.
Interest is extremely difficult to avoid in Western countries.
To an extent yes. The company ones work for and gets paid a salary will deal in interest but if the question is can one survive without directly dealing in riba than I would say yes is is possible.
Terra Firma
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That would still not mean that you are dealing in interest. If you work for a business that has money invested in banks and earns some profit through interest, that would have no effect on whether your own earnings are halal. It would only matter if you are the business owner, where your income is directly affected by interest. Now, if you work at a bank where the source of your income is interest and your work entails promoting or dealing with interest, then that would not be permissible.
A person can work as an engineer, a doctor, a scientist, etc. and not have to deal with interest at all. A person can have his own business if he can gather the money from Islamic financing institutions that already exist in America and not deal with interest. There are some forms of employment where your income IS interest based and these forms of employment would not be permissible for Muslims, just how working at a bar or casino would not be permissible for Muslims.
It's not a utopia and nobody should claim otherwise however what is the ruling system of Islam? Isn't the consensus that implementing the sharia is compulsory?
just stop
For perspective's sake, at least explain why you don't agree with him.
Where does bending end and simply breaking it begin though lol
Whenever somebody says Islam promotes a separation between church and state I wait to see one verse from the quran or hadith which supports that argument.
Whether one personally believes in secularism is another matter but to say Islam actually holds such a view is a huge stretch.
islam doesn't not promote separation of sate and church(in this case islam) or anything else. second he is not even a muslim
A non-Muslim cannot give their opinion on Islam?
Scott32020
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukuk
Does most Islamic finance function like this? Because if the present value and future value of the investment are different then there is a de facto discount/interest rate, even if there are no regular coupon interest payments.
Does most Islamic finance function like this? Because if the present value and future value of the investment are different then there is a de facto discount/interest rate, even if there are no regular coupon interest payments.
why don't you show me verse from quran or hadith promoting separation of state and islam.
Fair points.
At times the Quran certainly reads like a political text, rather than a religious one.
Separating the two would be rather difficult.
Slippery-slope.
It's up to the individual.
ginger ninja
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doesn't matter if he is muslim or not, he is still entitled to say what he feels. As for that, well ofcourse there is no separation of church and state in ''contemporary islam" i.e the one preached since its beginning except the last 100 years or so. Doesn't mean you have to follow the contemporary islam though.
But keep in mind that there is no separation of anything in Islam, everything is connected and controlled by religious edict. It has rules for everything and anything in a person's life, it demands complete and utter control over the individual which is what leads to problems.
i am not a doctor would you take medication if i tell you to take some med if you get sick
Spaced Harrier
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Yeah but unfortunately doctors tend to deal in facts not interpretations of superstitions.
Islamic finance is a joke. You're still paying interest, it's just that you're jumping through stupid hoops to do it and usually end up paying more.
This is more like a patient prescribing the medication.
By the very nature of how the financial system works in the U.S., somewhere up that chain someone is paying interest on something. The individual taking out the loan may be fine, but at some point the institution in question is going to have to deal with another institution that does require interest to be paid. How is this dealt with or circumvented?
Not a lot of action figure collecting in the Muslim world, I take it. Wouldn't this also apply to the character models in videogames, as well?
and he is acting like his opinions are facts on a subject that he has no authority
lmao such a ridiculous statement. You dont have to be a muslim to know about Islam or to even be an expert on it. There are tons of religious scholars out there who write books about various religions.
This is not about what that poster what saying, but overall about your mindset of how if you arent a muslim you cannot comment on islam.
While I agree with you, in this case he's wrong. As far as Islam goes, the Caliphate is the state. Theocracy is encouraged, not denounced.
As I said, I was commenting on him saying you cannot talk about or give your opinion about islam unless you are a muslim.
Maninthemirror
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I am a Muslim and no one can stop me from calling myself one except God
Facism
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Isn't Kafir a derogatory term or is that just a UK thing?
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