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My cousin is cheating on his wife.

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Nobody is projecting, if you cheat you have poor morals. That can translate to other parts of your life. It's not hard to get.

This is really easy to say and relationships are incredibly complicated things.

If we are going to play the scenario game here's a few.

If a friend of yours told you he didn't care for his wife anymore but has no intention of separating or getting a divorce, would you tell her?

You know your friend doesn't want kids and he is vehement about it, but his wife tells she has stopped taking the pill so she can get pregnant, do you tell your friend?
 
This is really easy to say and relationships are incredibly complicated things.

If we are going to play the scenario game here's a few.

If a friend of yours told you he didn't care for his wife anymore but has no intention of separating or getting a divorce, would you tell her?

You know your friend doesn't want kids and he is vehement about it, but his wife tells she has stopped taking the pill so she can get pregnant, do you tell your friend?

I don't like the scenario game but I'll play because we're doing this for the fate of mankind.

Scenario 1:

I would tell the friend that he needs to talk to his wife about his feelings. Not caring for someone and cheating on them/having low moral standards are completely different. If I knew the wife well I would talk with her about it but in the end it would be up to them to either patch things up in the relationship or break it off. He not being immoral per say, but staying in a relationship where you don't care for the other person is at the very least disingenuous.

Scenario 2:

Yes, you tell your friend about the pill skipping liar.
 
Has nothing to do with what is and isn't legal. One is abusing otherwise innocent children and the other is simply being deceitful to a partner.

I'm well aware that pedophilia is a million times more disgusting.

However, cheating is -still- disgusting, even if several magnitudes less so.

Also him sleeping around with other women can physically endanger his wife. And by taking the first step and cheating on his wife, he ensures that when they do get divorced it will be on bad terms. Which will be more psychologically damaging to the children than if the divorce was done under civil terms.
 
If your argument for not telling the wife is "cheating isn't as disgusting as pedophilia" then what is your cutoff point?

let's go with "pedophilia".

Nobody is projecting, if you cheat you have poor morals. That can translate to other parts of your life. It's not hard to get.

read the posts i quoted - they're very much projecting.
also, your platittude can be applied to many moral situations of varying degrees:

if you cheat on your taxes
if you frequently speed
if you dont donate to the poor/homeless etc etc you have "poor morals which can translate to other parts of your life. it's not hard to get".

if that strikes you as logically sound enough to run with and screw up your cousin's family, go nuts.

It's Saturday, you guys need to get out a bit...

this is actually pretty sound advice.

Dumbest analogy in neogaf history?

don't go giving that crown away too easily man, we both know there's more gems to be found here.
 
If a friend of yours told you he didn't care for his wife anymore but has no intention of separating or getting a divorce, would you tell her?

Does this lead to anything? What wrong is being done? I may perhaps talk to my friend/offer my ear. But there isn't really anything to tell the wife. Unless you mean he isn't going to leave her, but plans on getting his kicks elsewhere. Then yes. I would tell her.

You know your friend doesn't want kids and he is vehement about it, but his wife tells she has stopped taking the pill so she can get pregnant, do you tell your friend?

Of course.
 
read the posts i quoted - they're very much projecting.
also, your platittude can be applied to many moral situations of varying degrees:

if you cheat on your taxes
if you frequently speed
if you dont donate to the poor/homeless etc etc you have "poor morals which can translate to other parts of your life. it's not hard to get".

if that strikes you as logically sound enough to run with and screw up your cousin's family, go nuts.

You're creating false equivalencies, cheating on a spouse is objectively worse than anything you've mentioned and is a FANTASTIC judge of someone's character.
 
I simply do not get involved in affairs such as the one you described. Even if family is involved. I've seen people shoot the messenger, so to speak, when they've told people that their partner was cheating on them.

In this day and age, I have no idea why people marry. I think people go into marriage thinking, "My love is different and bad things won't happen in my marriage." Fast forward some years later and they're gnashing their teeth at the heavens.
 
If people weren't so quick to say "it's none of my business" / "it's not my place to say" / "stay out of it" -- people wouldn't get away with this shit so often, or think that they could.

I'm not saying he should tell someone, but speaking personally, I'd want someone to let me know. That's the logic I would go with.
 
If people weren't so quick to say "it's none of my business" / "it's not my place to say" / "stay out of it" -- people wouldn't get away with this shit so often, or think that they could.

I'm not saying he should tell someone, but speaking personally, I'd want someone to let me know. That's the logic I would go with.

Most people get caught cheating because they can't keep their mouths shut. Which leads to people sometimes telling on them. So people can get away with cheating as long as they keep their actions silent.
 

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let's go with "pedophilia".
read the posts i quoted - they're very much projecting.
also, your platittude can be applied to many moral situations of varying degrees:

if you cheat on your taxes
if you frequently speed
if you dont donate to the poor/homeless etc etc you have "poor morals which can translate to other parts of your life. it's not hard to get".

if that strikes you as logically sound enough to run with and screw up your cousin's family, go nuts.

I think if someone cheats, it means they are unhappy with the way their life or current relationship is, or too scared to end it for some reason. Some people just think they can get away with it and do, because the significant other will keep on running back anyway. It's still a horribly unhealthy situation for both people, unless there is an agreement for an open relationship (but given the cousin in this case sounds like an extreme Christian - I doubt they have that sort of agreement)

Those options you bring up are highly impersonal bar maybe the speeding one, which CAN have a horrible impact on someone directly, if you speed into another car or into a person. But I think that's very dependent on how someone reacts, you are a jerk for speeding, but if you regret the actions caused pain or death and actually you stopped to help the person you hit, then at least you tried to fix the mistake, if you speeded and then kept on going anyway. You are are a coward or a massive dick, no matter what your excuse was. But people rarely take into account what their taxes do for others, or see much of what their charity will do for people, or even come into contact with the people they effect in those decisions.

They could be a saint, donate to charity, do all the good in the world. But cheating is a hard one for people to get over. Because you have someone who implicity loves you so much, they pledged to spend their life with you, and try to make it work, but the other person...rather than saying "no this isn't working for me anymore" or being honest about their feelings, decides the better solution is to screw on the sly. It's an easy solution which they may think means nothing changes, but it's generally proven when people do cheat, they get more irritable with and can't satisfy their actual partner and so on (so now the other persons needs are not being addressed, because those needs are being given elsewhere) , That doesn't make the cheater an entirely terrible person, but their decision can cause the family unit to suffer regardless. In which case maybe that person is a better parent on their own, or having found a relationship that suits them better elsewhere

People do actually suffer from parents sticking together, when it's rather clear at least one of them isn't interested in the family unit or clearly want to be elsewhere. A friend of mine dealt with a very unstable relationship between his mother and stepfather, and he suffered from depression thanks to pressure placed upon him as result (constantly babysitting his baby brother, arguments, constant drinking ect.)

Sometimes it's actually worse for parents to stick together rather than break apart.
 
How about the metric that involves the direct impact to another human being that has a strong emotional attachment to you? One that loves and trusts you? The metric where you you don't willfully or knowingly do something like that?

And breaking up with someone can have a big emotional impact on the life of another. They trusted you and were attached to you and you told them you didn't love them and didn't want to see them anymore. Yet we don't see that as scummy because they (maybe) didn't have sex with another person before they broke up.

Making sex the line not to cross sounds really immature to me. Having a specific line at all sounds really immature. People can cheat and still have feelings for the other person and people could not cheat and feel no love for their significant other. Love is not a simple thing. Don't we say things like "love at first sight" and "soul mates"? Who are we to say where love strikes and evaporates?

And I'm not saying cheating isn't a bad way to treat a person, but I don't think it defines a person either. We all make terrible choices but someone's love life is not my business.
 
Well I guess if you keep saying that it must be true.




Unless someone is forcing a gun to his head he chooses to cheat.

If he hates his wife he should get a divorce first, before fucking around behind her back.

They really aren't though. Cheating is wrong yes, and the wife should be told. But you cannot equate molestation to that. Even worse, why are we even using that as a barometer of how we should feel about this situation.

It's pretty cut and dry. No need for overly complex scenarios.
 
Dude needs to lie better. If he had just said that he met some people at the conference and needed a ride to whatever restaurant/hotel they were meeting at no red flags would have ever been waived about his real intent.
 
I simply do not get involved in affairs such as the one you described. Even if family is involved. I've seen people shoot the messenger, so to speak, when they've told people that their partner was cheating on them.

In this day and age, I have no idea why people marry. I think people go into marriage thinking, "My love is different and bad things won't happen in my marriage." Fast forward some years later and they're gnashing their teeth at the heavens.
Life is hard. Your parents will die eventually. You need at least one person you can trust for support financially and emotionally during the rough times, and to seek help from to fight the battles against the crooks of the world. Marriage, if successful, has a good chance of providing those things because it is a legal and sometimes superlegal contract, the purpose of which is basically those things. In this day and age, there is still only one such contract in the world like it.
 
Sounds like your cousin can't keep his mouth shut. He's asking to get caught so, really, you don't need to help him. You can put the shovel down, he'll take it from here.
 
If he can figure out he actually did it she has a right to know. Cheaters aren't good people. And plenty of them aren't going to wrap up or have their lover do so. So who is the most SOL? The partner who trusts them and doesn't get tested.
Barry, is that the fundamental attribution error?

Yes it is, other Barry. Yes, it is.

That being said: a health concern does exist, and there is room for disagreement as to whether that introduces an obligation to inform the "threatened partner." I still think not.

I can't believe we get to have this argument again. Find the wife and tell her, no need to mind your own business. It makes you complicit in his crimes and not much better than him. Don't listen to 'Mind-Your-Own-Business GAF'.
This is nonsense. Not to Godwin the thread or anything, but this is like arguing (radical simplification of history to follow) that American refusal become involved in, and thus end WWII makes them just as culpable for the Holocaust as the Third Reich, which is absurd. The OP is not responsible for policing his cousin's behavior.
 
By normal morality standards, if you do not believe this then you're a bad person.

these are the empty platitudes plaguing this thread i've been talking about.
i'm sure they save you a great deal of thought/perspective, but they're not very useful otherwise.

I think if someone cheats, it means they are unhappy with the way their life or current relationship is, or too scared to end it for some reason. Some people just think they can get away with it and do, because the significant other will keep on running back anyway. It's still a horribly unhealthy situation for both people, unless there is an agreement for an open relationship (but given the cousin in this case sounds like an extreme Christian - I doubt they have that sort of agreement)

Sometimes it's actually worse for parents to stick together rather than break apart.

i liked your post, and wanted to say, to the former: this is a common sentiment, and may very well be right, but i'm not as certain. I definitely think being unhappy or having something missing is the greatest reason people cheat, but there are times i genuinely think people cheat because they're weak and the opportunity presents itself - one can certainly argue this speaks more to an unhappiness with oneself rather than one's partner, but i tend to not visit the intentions of others in these arguments; at least not often, and certainly not easily dropping blanket statements like so many here do.

to the latter (your last line) i absolutely agree. i also believe people's relationships succeed or fall on their own, and my personal feelings/interjections aren't really required, but clearly there are those here who feel morally compelled otherwise. however, i appreciate your logic here - far too many are confident in their stances without giving a moment's thought to the perspectives of others involved.
 
And breaking up with someone can have a big emotional impact on the life of another. They trusted you and were attached to you and you told them you didn't love them and didn't want to see them anymore. Yet we don't see that as scummy because they (maybe) didn't have sex with another person before they broke up.

Making sex the line not to cross sounds really immature to me. Having a specific line at all sounds really immature. People can cheat and still have feelings for the other person and people could not cheat and feel no love for their significant other. Love is not a simple thing. Don't we say things like "love at first sight" and "soul mates"? Who are we to say where love strikes and evaporates?

Breaking up is the right thing to do though, it might hurt a lot for the one being dumped, but at least they cared enough to end things before it got worse. If you say to someone "it's over" - after the tears are shed and the stages of grief are past, they can move on and get on with their lives. Plus it at least gives you the chance to be friends again somewhere down the line

With cheating, its a constant loop of the grief cycle. The person gets upset, angry, depressed and ultimately tries to accept what happened and then everything is magically okay till they learn of the next offence. Or if they are at least strong enough to break things off, that still hurts a LOT more than learning someone doesn't love you anymore. Because that person for some reason could not confide or be honest about the problem to you, and instead took the easy route for them. Which was to emotionally and physically move on, while you continue to believe you are in a relationship. Not really a healthy solution for one or the other, the cheater will get more anxious and annoyed at their (in name only) partner, and the partner will be stuck constantly giving, but never getting in return.

i liked your post, and wanted to say, to the former: this is a common sentiment, and may very well be right, but i'm not as certain. I definitely think being unhappy or having something missing is the greatest reason people cheat, but there are times i genuinely think people cheat because they're weak and the opportunity presents itself - one can certainly argue this speaks more to an unhappiness with oneself rather than one's partner, but i tend to not visit the intentions of others in these arguments; at least not often, and certainly not easily dropping blanket statements like so many here do.

Thanks, do agree with your additional thought, there are people who cheat and then regret it because they fell to temptation and made a mistake, or went too far in a falling out with a significant other. I think there needs to be a previous background of a strong relationship to make that a case for grounds to not divorce/ break up - or at least an understanding that it will take a LOT of work to gain that persons trust once more and to really stick at it, to show your partner that, yes - you screwed up big time, but it was a honest to god slip of judgement. Our lives are filled with temptation, but a person should always strive to do the right thing, specially by those who stick by them. Sometimes we slip up, that's to be expected, but people are capable of resisting - it's still a moral decision they make, and it still will hurt the other person emotionally when they find out.

Relationships are hard work to maintain, but if you care about a person enough, you should be able to avoid such dilemmas or at least able to think "what would my SO feel if I did this?" when temptation comes it's way. In the same way, if you care about a person and realize that your not attracted to them anymore, then you should care enough to know that, while it will hurt a lot and your partner will be very hurt and angry at the realtionship ending, you should still at least want to see them happy and able to move on, even if that does mean a few months of angst and sorting stuff out.
 
Life is hard. Your parents will die eventually. You need at least one person you can trust for support financially and emotionally during the rough times, and to seek help from to fight the battles against the crooks of the world. Marriage, if successful, has a good chance of providing those things because it is a legal and sometimes superlegal contract, the purpose of which is basically those things. In this day and age, there is still only one such contract in the world like it.

Marriage is romanticized. People can get everything they need out of friendship. Friendship doesn't need a contract either.
 
I think if someone cheats, it means they are unhappy with the way their life or current relationship is, or too scared to end it for some reason. Some people just think they can get away with it and do, because the significant other will keep on running back anyway. It's still a horribly unhealthy situation for both people, unless there is an agreement for an open relationship (but given the cousin in this case sounds like an extreme Christian - I doubt they have that sort of agreement)

I'm sorry but this is totally preposterous. Sometimes people just get super horny and fuck around. The idea that cheating is always some existential crisis in a relationship is ridiculous.

Quite frankly, if my significant other was traveling somewhere, met somebody, and had a brief dalliance I would absolutely not want to know. It's just not that important in the scheme of things and I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with how they feel about me.

All of the people posting that cheaters are always bad people, bad parents, and bad partners are ridiculous, and this is coming from somebody who has never cheated on anyone.
 
It's pretty cut and dry. No need for overly complex scenarios.

It doesn't seem pretty cut and dry.

Some people feel it is none of his business to tell the wife, presumably because cheating isn't "that bad." Or because cheating isn't illegal.

Hell, someone ITT even posted that cheating may not be the cheater's fault. If you don't love your wife anymore tell her such, and file for a divorce. Then bone whoever the fuck you want. But trying to stay with her for the social/legal benefits is pretty scummy. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
 
I'm sorry but this is totally preposterous. Sometimes people just get super horny and fuck around. The idea that cheating is always some existential crisis in a relationship is ridiculous.

Quite frankly, if my significant other was traveling somewhere, met somebody, and had a brief dalliance I would absolutely not want to know. It's just not that important in the scheme of things and I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with how they feel about me.

All of the people posting that cheaters are always bad people, bad parents, and bad partners are ridiculous, and this is coming from somebody who has never cheated on anyone.

I feel you missed the rest of my post, I didn't say cheaters are bad people, and even argue in that post that people that are in that situation can still be good parents and people. I even sort of state if someone has an open relationship that BOTH sides are okay with, then it's not that big an issue. Just in this perticular case, the religious views of the cousin do not suggest that would be the case here.

If your happy with your SO doing stuff away from home, then all the power to you, you are a stronger person emotionally than many. Though these things are a 2 way street, long as you are both happy with that open factor in the relationship, then there's no issue : ) But if one of you decides you don't like to share (even unknowingly) then it can become a problem.
 
It doesn't seem pretty cut and dry.

Some people feel it is none of his business to tell the wife, presumably because cheating isn't "that bad." Or because cheating isn't illegal.

Hell, someone ITT even posted that cheating may not be the cheater's fault. If you don't love your wife anymore tell her such, and file for a divorce. Then bone whoever the fuck you want. But trying to stay with her for the social/legal benefits is pretty scummy. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Do you have a response to the rationale I've submitted for non-intervention?
 
Do you have a response to the rationale I've submitted for non-intervention?

Your Third Reich comparison may be even more ridiculous than my pedophilia comparison.

Getting involved in a war effort carries far more risk than tipping off a wife about her husband's cheating. When you have the power to easily stop something with very little personal risk I don't believe it is right to choose non-intervention.
 
It doesn't seem pretty cut and dry.

Some people feel it is none of his business to tell the wife, presumably because cheating isn't "that bad." Or because cheating isn't illegal.

Hell, someone ITT even posted that cheating may not be the cheater's fault. If you don't love your wife anymore tell her such, and file for a divorce. Then bone whoever the fuck you want. But trying to stay with her for the social/legal benefits is pretty scummy. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

But what if the person who is being 'cheated on' enjoys the social/legal benefits of the marriage and would rather turn a blind eye and stay married? Why do you presume to know what works for everyone and every relationship?

This whole idea that cheating need necessitate the end of a marriage is positively archaic.
 
You people assume far too much. Plenty of people would rather be left in the dark than shown the light. The illusion of happiness is valued more than actual happiness by many people.
 
But what if the person who is being 'cheated on' enjoys the social/legal benefits of the marriage and would rather turn a blind eye and stay married? Why do you presume to know what works for everyone and every relationship?

This whole idea that cheating need necessitate the end of a marriage is positively archaic.

If the wife enjoys the benefits, then maybe she can make it an open relationship. The husband should ask the wife "is it alright if we stay married for the benefits, but I can fuck other people? We can keep this hidden from everyone else, and it will be our little secret."

Sleeping around with other people behind her back is dishonest and disgusting.
 
We're in a day and age where you can have your cake and eat it too, they're called open relationships. You know what's not fair though? Having one without your fucking SO/spouse being knowledgeable about it. Like I said having an affair or constantly cheating makes someone a terrible person as you're literally shitting on the person who's supposed to trust you most. If you don't want to only screw one person, don't get married with that on the table. God forbid people just be honest with their spouse or more importantly themselves, and not "settle down" when they have no real intention to. Epitome of selfish.
 
We're in a day and age where you can have your cake and eat it too, they're called open relationships. You know what's not fair though? Having one without your fucking SO/spouse being knowledgeable about it. Like I said having an affair or constantly cheating makes someone a terrible person as you're literally shitting on the person who's supposed to trust you most. If you don't want to only screw one person, don't get married with that on the table. God forbid people just be honest with their spouse or more importantly themselves, and not "settle down" when they have no real intention to. Epitome of selfish.



No shit, cheating is wrong. That doesnt mean you should feel some moral obligation to tell some woman you dont even know that her husband may or may not be cheating on her.
 
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