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My mom is "scared" by Obama. Could this be a common problem come November?

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Agent Icebeezy said:
Have your mom or whomever try this site

http://www.electoralcompass.com/

Get back to us with the answers. :D
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Well thanks to that site it seems I will vote for nobody come November. Obama seems like the lesser of two evils, but then statements like

Barack Obama recognizes that Social Security is indispensable to workers and seniors, and it is probably the most important and most successful program that our country has ever made. Obama is committed to ensuring Social Security is solvent and viable for the American people, now and in the future.
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Barack Obama supports plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by 27,000 troops.
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The Obama plan will guarantee coverage for every American through partnerships among employers, private health plans, the federal government, and the states.
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Barack Obama would refocus our efforts on the challenges in the wider Middle East, where Hamas and Hezbollah feel emboldened and Israel’s prospects for secure peace seem uncertain, while U.S. diplomatic engagement has been sporadic; on preventing Iran, which has been strengthened by the war in Iraq, from acquiring nuclear weapons; Iran and North Korea’s nuclear programs are a threat to global security and could provoke a nuclear arms race that results in many more nuclear states.
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makes me not so certain.
 
i dont really care much who wins the election, but john edwards definitely is the most electable from my perspective. he was more electable than john kerry was too imo.


obama strikes me as the 2008 equivalent of howard dean, only without some peculiar event (the shreiking) to fuck him up. for me; i actually liked dean, whereas obama im completely indifferent to. and i think the people who are going to vote for him are people who would vote democrat no matter who took the ticket.


edwards with hilary as the vp would have the best chance at winning imo.


i think that there are a lot of republicans who are looking for an excuse to change parties, and edwards is (at least superficially) close enough to what they're looking for to make the switch.
 
Subtlely show his Grandmother in campaign ads in order to offer stupid people some reassurance. I understand that they will inevitably believe fear-mongering more than facts - that's how they've been raised, that's what the USA has been built on for a long time - but a decent amount are quite malleable if you play them correctly.

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mAcOdIn said:
I'm not an Obama fan but what exactly could an evil Muslim President even do? Really? Such an absurd fear. If he tried to let Iran roll over or whatever weird doomsday plan some people have, no-one would listen. I'd love to see an evil Muslim President just cause it'd be hilarious to see the bills and executive orders he tries to get passed an overwhelmingly basically completely Christian senate and house, not to mention the military. just what branch of government would allow something so stupid?

It'd be pure comedy gold until he was killed.
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Dude, you want to talk comedy gold?

Blazing Saddles. :D
 
My parents and sister got on my case for voting for him in the primary. They bought all the lies about him being a Muslim and not saluting the flag during the national anthem, or whatever it was. They believe all that stuff and won't listen to anyone that says otherwise.
 
It'd be awesome if people would just admit that they are uncomfortable with a black person running for president. The "I don't know Obama" excuse doesn't fly. Do your damn research. I didn't know jack shit about McCain, Obama, or Ron Paul two years ago either... I also heard of some research thingy called the internet. The Muslim crap is also not a valid excuse. I'm sure a big portion of the people clinging onto the "Obama is a Muslim" card... were upset with Obama's Christian pastor's words just a few months ago, that's tided over and apparently Obama's a secret Muslim again (not only is this a BS excuse not to vote for him, there's also anti-Muslim sentiment involved). Some people will find every excuse not to vote for Obama, instead of actually listening to him/researching and just plain ole disagreeing with his policies. I've heard the dumbest things come out of people's mouths on and off-line this election year.
 
Havoc said:
The Muslim crap is also not a valid excuse. I'm sure a big portion of the people clinging onto the "Obama is a Muslim" card... were upset with Obama's Christian pastor's words just a few months ago, that's tided over and apparently Obama's a secret Muslim again (not only is this a BS excuse not to vote for him, there's also anti-Muslim sentiment involved).
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The thing that bothers me the most about the Muslim accusations is that they are a classic appeal to ignorance. There is no way to definitively repudiate these claims. I mean, he could snap one day from being tired of the baseless claims and murder everyone in the closest Mosque to him, or proceed to use pages from the Qur'an as toilet paper on camera, and there would still be people believing that it's all a show.

"Obama is a Muslim" believer: "Oh, he's good. I'll give him that. He still don't fool me though."
 
Steve Youngblood said:
The thing that bothers me the most about the Muslim accusations is that they are a classic appeal to ignorance. There is no way to definitively repudiate these claims. I mean, he could snap one day from being tired of the baseless claims and murder everyone in the closest Mosque to him, or proceed to use pages from the Qur'an as toilet paper on camera, and there would still be people believing that it's all a show.

"Obama is a Muslim" believer: "Oh, he's good. I'll give him that. He still don't fool me though."
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It's all because of Hussein in his name. The average American idiot finds it impossible to believe someone can have that in their name without being a Muslim.
 
Kusagari said:
It's all because of Hussein in his name. The average American idiot finds it impossible to believe someone can have that in their name without being a Muslim.
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Even if he was a muslim, I'm not sure why the ignorant in America are saying that this person wouldn't be the right leader for America since he is an AMERICAN. Oh wait, all muslims are evil and out to kill Americans and destroy our way of life by locking up Christians and making women wear headdress.
 
Phoenix said:
Even if he was a muslim, I'm not sure why the ignorant in America are saying that this person wouldn't be the right leader for America since he is an AMERICAN. Oh wait, all muslims are evil and out to kill Americans and destroy our way of life by locking up Christians and making women wear headdress.
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Well, in fairness to a system that, racist or not, has stuck to electing only white, Christian men for centuries, although it would be wonderful to believe that we could overnight get rid of all of our propensities for electing a specific type of person to run our country, I'll gladly settle for the election of a half-black Christian and call it a victory. After the events of 9/11, although I'd like to give the electorate the benefit of the doubt and credit them with being able to discern the peaceful Muslims with the extremists, it just isn't going to happen. Also, if Obama did happen to be outed as a Muslim, it would look really, really bad. Not even just among the "if you're Muslim you must be a terrorist" crowd, but among many rational people as well who would think that such a scandal would destroy his credibility.

What I'm saying is that definitive proof that he is a Muslim would torpedo his campaign even for me just on a personal level. It wouldn't be out of disrespect to Muslim individuals, but out of disrespect to duplicitous individuals.
 
eznark said:
It will certainly be a fight, but I think McCain is likely to win. I think both candidates are terrible for America. McCain probably kills any inroads made by the Chicago School and Friedman while Obama will be a Carterian disaster.

My primary vote went to Hillary for the sole reason that I wanted the Democrat party to drag the fight out and Fred Thompson (best of a very shitty bunch and Ron Paul was a bit of a racist) was already out for the GOP. I'll be voting similarly to the primary, for the entertainment value.

Therefore I'll be voting McCain because I want the internets (especially GAF and DU) to explode. It will be hilarious.
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What madness is this? *shakes head*
 
I'm not suggesting your mother is or isn't, but I feel like this whole "he's a muslim!" thing is code for "I'm a racist!"

I don't think anyone really believes he's a secret Muslim. But I do believe Muslims are the easiest group to be prejudiced against right now.
 
My reason for voting for McCain is that having the same party control the presidency and the congress is a horrible combination. This just leads to out of control spending and especially increses pork barrel spending. I would choose to vote for Obama if Republicans controlled the congress as well. The extra gridlock is the only thing that can prevent things like universal healthcare from passing.
 
rage1973 said:
My reason for voting for McCain is that having the same party control the presidency and the congress is a horrible combination. This just leads to out of control spending and especially increses pork barrel spending. I would choose to vote for Obama if Republicans controlled the congress as well. The extra gridlock is the only thing that can prevent things like universal healthcare from passing.
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Yeah, because universal healthcare would be soooo awful.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Pork barrel projects are at most around $20 billion, mostly from the Defense budget, which is a drop in the bucket these days. It's one of the most overblown complaints around. I mean, I don't like them either, but come on. The total Defense budget is, at minimum, $400+ billion every single year.
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20 billion wasted is still about 54 million a day every day of the year. A lot relative to the rest of the budget? No, but still far too much and something that needs to be stopped as much as possible.
 
rage1973 said:
Take a look at the shape our social security program and see if you would trust those same people with healthcare.
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When was the social security designed?

It's a rhetorical question, in case you're wondering. Now utilize that knowledge and realize why a system designed in 1935 (For a population of 127250000) would be having difficulties in 2008 (For a population of 300+ million)
 
rage1973 said:
My reason for voting for McCain is that having the same party control the presidency and the congress is a horrible combination. This just leads to out of control spending and especially increses pork barrel spending. I would choose to vote for Obama if Republicans controlled the congress as well. The extra gridlock is the only thing that can prevent things like universal healthcare from passing.
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But I could also argue that the Republicans have had the Presidency for 2 terms and now it is time to change over. Americans also react to this logic too you know

omg rite said:
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How cute.
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He's got my vote. It angers me that Ahmadinejad and Barack Obama would meet with an anti-american leader like John McCain
 
i did that quiz thing and it says im closest to hilary clinton.... damn you media for distorting the truth, ive been rooting for the wrong person!
 
WickedAngel said:
When was the social security designed?

It's a rhetorical question, in case you're wondering. Now utilize that knowledge and realize why a system designed in 1935 (For a population of 127250000) would be having difficulties in 2008 (For a population of 300+ million)
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That's the point. They can't fix a broken system that has been in place for almost 80 years so we are stuck with trying to pay for the program by borrowing more money. If they can't fix such a broken system how do you expect them to handle such a dynamic industry like medicine and healthcare.
 
rage1973 said:
That's the point. They can't fix a broken system that has been in place for almost 80 years so we are stuck with trying to pay for the program by borrowing more money. If they can't fix such a broken system how do you expect them to handle such a dynamic industry like medicine and healthcare.
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What you're saying is basically the equivalent of implying that an aeronautical engineer is incompetent because he can't make a Boeing 737 run on engines designed for a Cessna 172. The failure of social security is not the fault of the current government; it's too antiquated to be fixed without major overhauls and reforms but that is due to a lack of planning.

Social security is broken because the people who created it didn't take advances in life expectancy and population growth into account. The system was designed before the rapid population of the "Baby Boomers" came about.

UHC will have the benefit of an additional 73 years of economic knowledge under our belts. On top of that, there are models for UHC that are already being successfully utilized in other countries. Some may be flawed but the innovative legwork has already been done; our leaders will have the benefit of knowing what works, what doesn't, and what can be done to streamline the process before it is ever implemented. That is a significant advantage (One of the few of being one of the last countries to adopt the program).
 
WickedAngel said:
Social security is broken because the people who created it didn't take advances in life expectancy and population growth into account. The system was designed before the rapid population of the "Baby Boomers" came about.
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Which is why social security's full benefits should kick in at 80 (life expectancy in 1935 was roughly 65). It was never intended for people to live so long and use it as their only income.
 
Agent Icebeezy said:
67% of the public thinks that meeting with them is the right thing to do.
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Although I happen to agree that meeting with them would do no harm you might not want to fall into the fallacy of assuming public consensus makes a decision correct.
 
Gaborn said:
Although I happen to agree that meeting with them would do no harm you might not want to fall into the fallacy of assuming public consensus makes a decision correct.
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I think he's more pointing to the lol of McCain advertising a point that even half of the republicans don't agree with.
 
StopMakingSense said:
I think he's more pointing to the lol of McCain advertising a point that even half of the republicans don't agree with.
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Ok that's true, I guess I just thought it was more a comment on McCain's position than the ad. Politically you're right, it makes very little sense.
 
thetrin said:
I think one big issue is the fact that older people seriously fear change. They like to know that what they have won't change. Young people are more open to change. Obama seriously wants to shuffle things around (if his speeches and policies are to be believed)

EDIT: I totally forgot, my dad wants to vote McCain because he's a "Straight talker." :lol
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Which one of Obama's policies would "shift things around"? All of his policies are straight down the Democratic party line. He's not a centrist in any way, which would be easier to get things passed.

There's nothing revolutionary about him, no matter what the media wants you to believe.
 
I think the major problem here is that most adults in America just aren't as smart, experienced, and as enlightened as the posters here on NeoGaf. I mean, people here have spent literally hundreds of hours watching Obama's youtube videos in their basements, so they definitely know what is best.
 
Are you sure it's Obama your mother is scared of, and not the Obama cultists? Personally, I'm a little scared of the rabid Obama fans. I don't think I've ever encountered such a naive and gullible group of people before in my life.
 
Blader5489 said:
Are you sure it's Obama your mother is scared of, and not the Obama cultists? Personally, I'm a little scared of the rabid Obama fans. I don't think I've ever encountered such a naive and gullible group of people before in my life.
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We're living the consequences of a naive and gullible nation for what they did four Novembers ago.
 
Blader5489 said:
Are you sure it's Obama your mother is scared of, and not the Obama cultists? Personally, I'm a little scared of the rabid Obama fans. I don't think I've ever encountered such a naive and gullible group of people before in my life.
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Really? You don't remember the flags on every car as we signed away our rights?
 
Blader5489 said:
Are you sure it's Obama your mother is scared of, and not the Obama cultists? Personally, I'm a little scared of the rabid Obama fans. I don't think I've ever encountered such a naive and gullible group of people before in my life.
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Obama fans arent on the ballot nor will be in the white house so who cares?
 
Cheebs said:
Obama fans arent on the ballot nor will be in the white house so who cares?
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I don't know if you realized this, but in America, people actually elect the president into office. They, the voters, have the power.

It's these naive and gullible people who have been fooled into thinking that Obama will bring about these huge sweeping changes, and will right all the wrongs of the Bush administration. It's these same people who refuse to acknowledge or respond to the radical people Obama has associated with; it's these same people refuse see Obama's total lack of experience as a weakness; and it's these same people who, back in 2006, rallied to "take back" their country by electing a Democratic congress that has since done jack shit.

I'm probably going to vote Obama myself but not because I believe he's going to bring about any great political or economic change to this country, and it's a true sign of the times that people have become so desperate that they've deluded themselves into thinking that.

/rant
 
Blader5489 said:
I don't know if you realized this, but in America, people actually elect the president into office. They, the voters, have the power.

It's these naive and gullible people who have been fooled into thinking that Obama will bring about these huge sweeping changes, and will right all the wrongs of the Bush administration. It's these same people who refuse to acknowledge or respond to the radical people Obama has associated with; it's these same people refuse see Obama's total lack of experience as a weakness; and it's these same people who, back in 2006, rallied to "take back" their country by electing a Democratic congress that has since done jack shit.

I'm probably going to vote Obama myself but not because I believe he's going to bring about any great political or economic change to this country, and it's a true sign of the times that people have become so desperate that they've deluded themselves into thinking that.

/rant
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Blader5489 said:
I don't know if you realized this, but in America, people actually elect the president into office. They, the voters, have the power.

It's these naive and gullible people who have been fooled into thinking that Obama will bring about these huge sweeping changes, and will right all the wrongs of the Bush administration. It's these same people who refuse to acknowledge or respond to the radical people Obama has associated with; it's these same people refuse see Obama's total lack of experience as a weakness; and it's these same people who, back in 2006, rallied to "take back" their country by electing a Democratic congress that has since done jack shit.

I'm probably going to vote Obama myself but not because I believe he's going to bring about any great political or economic change to this country, and it's a true sign of the times that people have become so desperate that they've deluded themselves into thinking that.

/rant
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1.) But what do you mean by "change"? Change occurs all the time and I don't see why Obama won't bring "change". It just matters on what you mean by it
2.) Is a lack of experience a weakness politically? Yes. Is it a weakness on how one will governor? Not really
3.) Radical people Obama has associated himself with? If there has been one non-issue that has been overblown this election, it is that one.
4.) The Democratic congress has done alot since getting elected. It just depends on what your expectations were.
 
Blader5489 said:
Brilliant retort!

Incidentally, thanks for proving my point.
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It doesn't prove anything. Your post only proves that you a) don't know what the current Congress has done and b) you take Internet hyperbole at face value.
 
Blader5489 said:
Brilliant retort!

Incidentally, thanks for proving my point.
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Um, dude, your post was retarded. Any idiot can say, "It's all a hoax; he/she ain't gonna do shit" during the course of an election. You're really not as brilliant as you think you are.
 
grandjedi6 said:
2.) Is a lack of experience a weakness politically? Yes. Is it a weakness on how one will governor? Not really
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While I basically agree with your other points, I think it's worth noting at least that while lack of experience does not necessarily mean an inability or weakness in governing effectively it DOES mean that there is more reason to be rationally concerned because there's less of a track record dealing with the relatively unique situations a governor faces. I don't think people should support or oppose someone based on that alone, but I think you're overstating it to claim that it's not a weakness on how someone will govern, it means you're not sure how someone will respond as a President or governor.
 
Gaborn said:
While I basically agree with your other points, I think it's worth noting at least that while lack of experience does not necessarily mean an inability or weakness in governing effectively it DOES mean that there is more reason to be rationally concerned because there's less of a track record dealing with the relatively unique situations a governor faces. I don't think people should support or oppose someone based on that alone, but I think you're overstating it to claim that it's not a weakness on how someone will govern, it means you're not sure how someone will respond as a President or governor.
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Well is was including that under the "political" part. Experience does effect how voters view a candidate and their concern. But after a certain threshold there doesn't seem to be any actual correlation between experience and quality of the governor, likely due to the uniqueness of Presidency in this case.
 
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