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Naruto author: Narutos Story is at Final Phase
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I haven't watched the anime or read the manga since like 2008. I barely remember it all lol. All I remember is some OP move with a giant blue ball called Rasengun (prob spelled wrong), Ramen, and uhhh some dude in a orange mask. If I were to start watching it again where would be a good point to start?
AlimNassor
Banned
Bleach isn't a cash cow. Bleach is usually in the bottom rankings and sells at best decently, but, mostly poor. It got so bad they canned the anime. I doubt editors are forcing Kubo to keep it up, if anything they're probably pressuring him to finish it ASAP.
It really is doe.
One peice got too much shit going one to be contained to one manga, and suffers for it.
Oh my god.
AlimNassor
Banned
You've pretty much missed pure shit. You don't have to sit through years of boring battles that had no affect on the plot.
The Espada were jokes who existed solely to make the captains look good and waste our time. They do nothing at all and will never be seen or referenced again.
Current arc is basically a reverse of last arc. Slow pacing and shitty battles and a villain that sits on his throne and does jack shit even though he could kill everyone in the series 10x over without effort.
Current arc is basically a reverse of last arc. Slow pacing and shitty battles and a villain that sits on his throne and does jack shit even though he could kill everyone in the series 10x over without effort.
Don't even ask about Naruto.
So why is it considered one of the "big three", then? Does it do better internationally?
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Its Jump editors own fault. Outabagoudaki Zoo, Enigma and Magico all could've been bigger.
And for those saying Attack on Titan could've been jn Jump. It was the editora of Bessatsu Maga that steered the concept into the success it became.
And for those saying Attack on Titan could've been jn Jump. It was the editora of Bessatsu Maga that steered the concept into the success it became.
It used to be a lot bigger than it is now, the big 3 at this point is just One Piece. It sells enough for the entire magazine.
AlimNassor
Banned
There's no such thing as the big 3 in Japan...
Westerners made up that up because at the time bleach, naruto and one piece was what all the kids were reading
Trojita
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Ignoring Naruto's international take is highly inadvisable.
Hunter x Hunter was always bigger than Bleach in Japan to begin with.
But hiatuses and all that jazz.
So is Slam Dunk.
Now that's crazy talk, and I'm not even a One Piece fan.
The latter. It never was particularly good.
I know this is kind of off-topic but doesn't anyone else hate Ichigo? That guy has become so unintentionally full of himself over the years. The way he thinks he alone can save the Soul Society is so fucking annoying. Kubo has written him as God's gift to Soul Society and I honestly believe he doesn't realize it. Ichigo's a conceited prick. He hasn't even grown much as a character. He started off as a likable, cocky punk that matured a bit once Byakuya put him in his place. Now he's just boring and gets off on protecting people. And his fights are all the same. He gets his ass kicked, then he trains or gets some power-up, then he goes back to win the fight. He also spams the same fucking move all the time. Can't he at least fire a Cero or something? Fuck Ichigo. I just wanted to rant about him.
What I find shocking is how shounen jump haven't be able to make another mega hit beloved series with a broad appeal like bleach/naruto/one piece/Hxh in the last 10 years now that's pure incompetence, apart from toriko all there new series are have been nothing more then degrading mangas that try to sell on there fan service and have very little to no ambition at all when it comes to there story.
The manga medium would be dead to me if it wasn't for berserk(never read the loli era chapters),jojo,Hxh,one piece and hajime no ippo refusing to end, sad thing is there all 10+ years old.
It's ridiculous how one piece has been allowed sit on the money throne for so long due to lack of competition(&togashi refusing to put out chapters), someone should have dethrone oda a long time ago but it looks like no one has the ambition to go after that level of money there all fighting over that niche otaku market fanservice scraps :/
The manga medium would be dead to me if it wasn't for berserk(never read the loli era chapters),jojo,Hxh,one piece and hajime no ippo refusing to end, sad thing is there all 10+ years old.
It's ridiculous how one piece has been allowed sit on the money throne for so long due to lack of competition(&togashi refusing to put out chapters), someone should have dethrone oda a long time ago but it looks like no one has the ambition to go after that level of money there all fighting over that niche otaku market fanservice scraps :/
Winterfang
Banned
I like Ichigo. Kubo loves to troll him by constantly giving him powers and taking them away.
Strong Ichigo: Calm, stoic, suave, badass.
Weak Ichigo: insecure, moody, helpless, a mess.
He also has the more noble goal of just protecting his friends. He is pretty one dimensional sadly.
Edit: @post above: Isn't Fairy Tail the next big thing? I don't really keep up with manga much.
Strong Ichigo: Calm, stoic, suave, badass.
Weak Ichigo: insecure, moody, helpless, a mess.
He also has the more noble goal of just protecting his friends. He is pretty one dimensional sadly.
Edit: @post above: Isn't Fairy Tail the next big thing? I don't really keep up with manga much.
More Fun To Compute
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I don't have what you would call a primary source.
Black-Wind
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He has been saying this for years ... doesn't one of the games have "Hokage Naruto" already?
Is Fairy Tail any good? What's it about? Is it made by that Rave Artist?
Is Fairy Tail any good? What's it about? Is it made by that Rave Artist?
Poetic.Injustice
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See, This is the kind of hyperbole I wish people would avoid. I have over 70 manga in my ongoing reading list, And plenty of those range from great to excellent. The notion that manga medium is dying or dead is absolutely ridiculous.
This.
One piece does do aswell as naruto in non japan areas.
One peice went silent presence wise for several years. Naruto stayed in the public eye.
Not gonna do well outside japan. Sports, it being yaoi fodder shouldn't hold it back. Reborn was chalk full of it, and it did well. Untill jump canceled it.
Although it would be impressive to see a sports manga do super well around the planet doe.
Poetic.Injustice
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Except for the fact that One piece is more popular in Asia than Naruto is world wide.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
Kishi's been saying this shit for the past 3 years
That poster didn't say that manga is dead. He/she just said it'd be dead to him/her if it wasn't for a couple of titles.
It's limited, but whatever. Different preferences and all that.
Does it matter if it doesn't do well outside of Japan? It's consistently growing in popularity as evidenced by increasing print and anime sales.
Is there numeric proof to this?
Dead to me..... Not you or anyone else my peronal preference, I've read hundreds of manga's in the past 7 years and there are few I still enjoy those are the ones but haven't found anything to added to the list that i really like just as much in a long time.
Stop being so dam silly and interpreting people post into what you want to believe there about.
Number 1 yayoi(is that right) manga right now but it manly only appeals to the girly boy loving crowd.
I tried a chapter of it once I couldn't even tell any of the boys apart lol.
Poetic.Injustice
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Fact is there is more than enough good manga out there if you're willing to look hard enough.
One piece is more popular in east Asian countries besides Japan, You just never hear about it.
It may be true though that Naruto is more popular in the west.
Fair enough.
Considering that jump is gonna wanna keep make dat around the world phenomenon money, they are gonna need something when the big 3 goes out.
what don't you like about part 1?
Angelus Errare
Banned
Define "good"
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Your greatly underestimating the appeal of The Basketball Which Kuroko Plays. Its the Generation of Miracles shenanigans and abilities. It is so outrageously ridiculous. Just got figures in today.
I can't say I liked much of anything, really. It always felt half-baked and derivative, with poorly written dialogues (seriously, non-Japanese speakers, the translation smoothens things out like you wouldn't believe), nonsensical plots and awkward morals. Guess it has a distinctive art style, at least, but even that went down the shitter in recent years.
BassForever
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As a kid I couldn't get into Naruto because of the dub with all the BELIEVE IT crap
As an adult when I finally marathoned the series to be caught up for the Tobi reveal, I began to enjoy the series... and then part 2/shippuden happened. The story became horrible in the second half throwing out all the great characters, ninjutsu, and teamwork stuff for Kamehameha no jutsu in every battle. It's consistently the worst thing I read weekly and I just want it to be over. Watching part 1 on Toonami (chuunin exams) while reading the finale is just jarring how much the quality has dropped.
As an adult when I finally marathoned the series to be caught up for the Tobi reveal, I began to enjoy the series... and then part 2/shippuden happened. The story became horrible in the second half throwing out all the great characters, ninjutsu, and teamwork stuff for Kamehameha no jutsu in every battle. It's consistently the worst thing I read weekly and I just want it to be over. Watching part 1 on Toonami (chuunin exams) while reading the finale is just jarring how much the quality has dropped.
Well he said he wanted to do his Mafia manga next. Mario.
But they throw all that stuff out in the first part.
Metric shit ton of it in sasuke leaving, naruto beginning to learn stuff with jiriya and their team breaking up. And while i like shikimaru dude was a background character, hell he had more shit to do in part two. Hell a lot of the characters had far more shit to do , and far more fleshing out in part two. I'm trying to figure out where people are getting this "part two is different" no it isnt.
Its the samn damn manga, except naruto is taller.
Trojita
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One Piece sales in Japan definitely dwarf Naruto's. Japan's consumption of One Piece is also higher, mostly all volumes sold Japan not the rest of the East Asian countries.
One Piece volume sales are at about 345 million with 300 million coming from Japan itself.
Last I checked Naruto has 100+ Million volumes sold in Japan, I'm not sure of the exact number right now. Adding the rest of the worlds sales (Naruto constantly tops the New York Times Best Seller list when a new volume comes out), you'd get a higher number. I still believe One Piece has sold more overall, but its disingenuous to think of One Piece as the "Big One" of Shonen Jump.
Kishimoto's response to Naruto's success in the west makes me lol
"Responding to Naruto's success, Kishimoto said in Naruto Collector Winter 2007/2008 that he was "very glad that the American audience has accepted and understood ninja. It shows that the American audience has good taste... because it means they can accept something previously unfamiliar to them."
Wow.
Lol he makes it sound like Americans never heard of the concept of ninja before naruto, nobody told him about ninja turtles or martial arts movies being popular in the west.
Well If he is talking about kids? He might not be that off, Martial arts flicks aren't as popular as they were before. And TMNT kind of pops in and out of popularity and to be quite honest, has nothing really to do with japanese ninjutsu anything. It started as a parody of the ridiculous nature of the x-men and Dare devil ninja comics and became robot turtle weirdness. Sure naruto's get up is ridiculous but there is a bit more japanese culture in it than TMNT.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
aww yeah
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
This has my attention
Plus, Kishimoto's ninja have little to do with either the "historical" ninja or the stereotypical ninja anyway.
And of course, saying people have good taste because they like your work... Well.
That quote is awkward on so many levels...
thanks. i had always wondered about this, not with naruto specifically but anime/manga translations in general. my japanese has advanced to the point where i can read manga but i am no where near the point where i can tell the difference between japanese dialogue that is good and dialogue that is stilted.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Thats just his translated response. Its an unkept secret that Jump editors have pressured Kishi to continue Naruto after the lukewarm reception here. Lots of lost profits here, off tv here in four years, Shueisha was not happy. They were expecting a TON more money.
What I find funny is Naruto is about the least Ninja show I have ever seen. I think only Shikamaru uses deceit anymore. Everything else is Kamehameha.
In comparison to what doe. And even in set up, at least the whole hidden ninja village thing seems very ninja, and clans and what not.
Naruto has nothing to compare itself to in terms of ninja pop culture in the west.
Also there is a lot more shit going than Kamehameha, like... alot. Like I question if you have seen it , alot.
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